It is pretty incremental/vanilla, but it is interesting that as a 6 footer the suggested sizing really is a choose your own adventure game...S4 for a...
It is pretty incremental/vanilla, but it is interesting that as a 6 footer the suggested sizing really is a choose your own adventure game...S4 for a shorter, 'traily' bike, S5 the pick up meaningful length on both ends and more of a sled... That said, I'd much rather have the S5 chainstay length on the S4 for me as a guy that mostly rides flatter trails, in the woods.
The vital tech nerds found an unlisted big S video in addition to other collateral. Its not officially announced yet...and if I was working marketing/advertising I'd...
The vital tech nerds found an unlisted big S video in addition to other collateral. Its not officially announced yet...and if I was working marketing/advertising I'd be a little stressed at my desk this morning.
(that said, in reality, "leaking" a product ahead of time is likely a smart way to put a little more frenzy around a product)
The video was linked to directly on the Specialized website with a countdown timer.
Doesnt look like a whole lot gained over my 22 Evo. I always liked the offset frame strut look on the stumpys.
So no more EVO...
Doesnt look like a whole lot gained over my 22 Evo. I always liked the offset frame strut look on the stumpys.
So no more EVO, and just basically speccing different build kits for what you are wanting out of the bike?
Everyone has assumed no more stumpy Evo but I think they’re keeping it hush until Charlie and co. stop winning on it and thus, selling more bikes. SteVo was the most overstocked bike they had last year, and if they can clear out a bit more inventory before announcing a new SteVo they will be a lot happier than the alternative
I haven’t been thrilled with my time on a mid travel 29er, and despite my enduring hope that keeps me reading this forum, i can’t imagine that any tweak of geometry or suspension or material science is going to shift that sense of meh. My 2020 frame doesn’t even need new bearings yet. Mark off another year of hoping that the playbike category comes back.
Everyone has assumed no more stumpy Evo but I think they’re keeping it hush until Charlie and co. stop winning on it and thus, selling more...
Everyone has assumed no more stumpy Evo but I think they’re keeping it hush until Charlie and co. stop winning on it and thus, selling more bikes. SteVo was the most overstocked bike they had last year, and if they can clear out a bit more inventory before announcing a new SteVo they will be a lot happier than the alternative
I'm pretty sure there is no Evo - I remember this being confirmed at some point, whether on here or from folks I know at Specialized shops.
I haven’t been thrilled with my time on a mid travel 29er, and despite my enduring hope that keeps me reading this forum, i can’t imagine...
I haven’t been thrilled with my time on a mid travel 29er, and despite my enduring hope that keeps me reading this forum, i can’t imagine that any tweak of geometry or suspension or material science is going to shift that sense of meh. My 2020 frame doesn’t even need new bearings yet. Mark off another year of hoping that the playbike category comes back.
For the last year, there have been daily posts pondering about the new Stumpjumper.
PB is already getting paid to give it a 5 star review...
For the last year, there have been daily posts pondering about the new Stumpjumper.
PB is already getting paid to give it a 5 star review, why the hype?
Like it or not, it’s the oldest mtb model still selling. On top of that, speci has a huge amount of money for r&d and a lot of folks look forward to see what they come up with. Mainstream-wise, they kinda set the pace for the other big brands. And finally, the stumpy and stumpy Evo have been pretty consistently awesome the last couple of iterations.
RE: New Stumpy...
My big takeaway is when the company who arguably has the largest capex budgets in the industry keeps outputting new models that are...
RE: New Stumpy...
My big takeaway is when the company who arguably has the largest capex budgets in the industry keeps outputting new models that are small evolutions (Epic EVO, new Stumpy, don't forget Jordan beat Finn/Loic on the "old" demo last season), not revolutions, that tells me we've really hit a plateau of technological progression.
This isn't a bad thing, per se, unless you are in the business of selling bikes to bike nerds who used to think they needed the latest/greatest every year.
FWIW, this has also happened in the moto, snowmobile, ski, road bike etc world, too, to the point where certain people find a vintage of a product they love, and stick with it even as companies keep outputting newer and "better" stuff. Heck, word on the street is GM has gone back to a 2019 40 for similar reasons...
EDIT: The whole Steve Jobs/Apple/Tech Bro "keynote" launching the bike was a bit silly and out of touch. Just my $0.02.
Elon Musk talked about delays in his FSD prediction - the error was thinking of innovation as exponential improvements. Instead he said it’s more like a series of stacked logarithmic curves, every so often there’s a big jump followed by small incremental gains, until the next big jump.
I think this is true for any industry and I’m not sure MTB is any different. Personally I don’t think bikes have plateaued, we’re just in a period of incremental improvements until the next jump. Who knows when it will be or what it looks like. But I’m willing to bet that in ten years, today’s bikes will feel no less obsolete than bikes of ten years ago feel today.
Progress still happens even near the top of the S curve, but it's like watching yourself age as you brush your teeth every morning. Day to day, you're seeing the same face in the mirror. Year to year... probably still pretty much seeing the same face. But jump 4-5 years, you've changed. Compare 2019 to 2024, taking the rise of the e-bike out of the picture, we're riding bikes that are yet longer and lower and slacker, steeper seat tubes, bigger brakes, often with some combination of better electronic shifting, high pivots, chain growth defeating tech, etc, etc. We're seeing stack and RC grow in cutting edge bikes now. In another year or two, that 2019 bike will be 'garbage,' and the EWS winning 2023 Stumpjumper will be good enough for blue trails for your dad.
Just saw on the PB article that there’s no routing option for a cable drive train on the new stumpy. What the fuck is wrong with...
Just saw on the PB article that there’s no routing option for a cable drive train on the new stumpy. What the fuck is wrong with these people.
All this leads me to believe they'll release an alloy budget version like they did with the Epic and Chisel full squish that works with cable drivetrains. Hopefully it's mullet compatible (not restricted to S1/S2) otherwise those are two massive misses compared to the Evo. Other option to fill the gap between new stumpy and enduro might be a revamped Status 160?
Are they going to release an aluminum frame version of the new Stumpy at some point? Seems like a pretty solid bike all around, although $5,500 is pretty high for a 'base' model these days.
I was catching up reading all the pre-embargo chit-chat about the Stumpy and you beat me to linking our review, Spomer. Do we even need to cover new bike launches at this point? All you internet detectives seem to get the job done just fine haha
I'm curious what people think about the Stumpy after they read through all the details. As you'll see, I only rode the bike for two days, but I really liked it. I gave more of an overview of how the GENIE shock works and focused more on what that translated to on the trail. It's definitely the most exciting aspect of the bike since everything else has remained pretty similar to the EVO (which I also think is a good thing).
Also, there is no routing for cable-actuated drivetrains...
I wouldn't class the shock on the stumpy as proprietary. It's a standard size.eye to eye so can be replaced with another readily available shock with same e2e.
I was catching up reading all the pre-embargo chit-chat about the Stumpy and you beat me to linking our review, Spomer. Do we even need to...
I was catching up reading all the pre-embargo chit-chat about the Stumpy and you beat me to linking our review, Spomer. Do we even need to cover new bike launches at this point? All you internet detectives seem to get the job done just fine haha
I'm curious what people think about the Stumpy after they read through all the details. As you'll see, I only rode the bike for two days, but I really liked it. I gave more of an overview of how the GENIE shock works and focused more on what that translated to on the trail. It's definitely the most exciting aspect of the bike since everything else has remained pretty similar to the EVO (which I also think is a good thing).
Also, there is no routing for cable-actuated drivetrains...
I'm sure it rides amazing but no way I'll be buying one until they release an alloy version compatible with cable derailleurs and a mullet link for size S3, there's just too many restrictive aspects (not to mention price) for me to consider today's models a bike that will last 5+ years. Which sucks because I held off on buying the alloy Evo frame in the hopes that this new version would be the ticket, and now I can't find an alloy S3 Evo frame anywhere. Will have to look elsewhere for my next bike
I was catching up reading all the pre-embargo chit-chat about the Stumpy and you beat me to linking our review, Spomer. Do we even need to...
I was catching up reading all the pre-embargo chit-chat about the Stumpy and you beat me to linking our review, Spomer. Do we even need to cover new bike launches at this point? All you internet detectives seem to get the job done just fine haha
I'm curious what people think about the Stumpy after they read through all the details. As you'll see, I only rode the bike for two days, but I really liked it. I gave more of an overview of how the GENIE shock works and focused more on what that translated to on the trail. It's definitely the most exciting aspect of the bike since everything else has remained pretty similar to the EVO (which I also think is a good thing).
Also, there is no routing for cable-actuated drivetrains...
I'm sure it rides amazing but no way I'll be buying one until they release an alloy version compatible with cable derailleurs and a mullet link...
I'm sure it rides amazing but no way I'll be buying one until they release an alloy version compatible with cable derailleurs and a mullet link for size S3, there's just too many restrictive aspects (not to mention price) for me to consider today's models a bike that will last 5+ years. Which sucks because I held off on buying the alloy Evo frame in the hopes that this new version would be the ticket, and now I can't find an alloy S3 Evo frame anywhere. Will have to look elsewhere for my next bike
I'll sell you an alloy evo frame with a WRP Mullet Yoke and a Cascade Link once that lightweight YT releases lol
All this leads me to believe they'll release an alloy budget version like they did with the Epic and Chisel full squish that works with cable...
All this leads me to believe they'll release an alloy budget version like they did with the Epic and Chisel full squish that works with cable drivetrains. Hopefully it's mullet compatible (not restricted to S1/S2) otherwise those are two massive misses compared to the Evo. Other option to fill the gap between new stumpy and enduro might be a revamped Status 160?
Am I mistaken? I thought they ship 29 but the 27.5 link is available for all sizes?
All this leads me to believe they'll release an alloy budget version like they did with the Epic and Chisel full squish that works with cable...
All this leads me to believe they'll release an alloy budget version like they did with the Epic and Chisel full squish that works with cable drivetrains. Hopefully it's mullet compatible (not restricted to S1/S2) otherwise those are two massive misses compared to the Evo. Other option to fill the gap between new stumpy and enduro might be a revamped Status 160?
All this leads me to believe they'll release an alloy budget version like they did with the Epic and Chisel full squish that works with cable...
All this leads me to believe they'll release an alloy budget version like they did with the Epic and Chisel full squish that works with cable drivetrains. Hopefully it's mullet compatible (not restricted to S1/S2) otherwise those are two massive misses compared to the Evo. Other option to fill the gap between new stumpy and enduro might be a revamped Status 160?
I put an s5 cs on my s4 alloy. Works so good
The video was linked to directly on the Specialized website with a countdown timer.
Everyone has assumed no more stumpy Evo but I think they’re keeping it hush until Charlie and co. stop winning on it and thus, selling more bikes. SteVo was the most overstocked bike they had last year, and if they can clear out a bit more inventory before announcing a new SteVo they will be a lot happier than the alternative
New Ibis bike (at least one) today
https://www.instagram.com/p/C8wuovrRZ_G/
I haven’t been thrilled with my time on a mid travel 29er, and despite my enduring hope that keeps me reading this forum, i can’t imagine that any tweak of geometry or suspension or material science is going to shift that sense of meh. My 2020 frame doesn’t even need new bearings yet. Mark off another year of hoping that the playbike category comes back.
I'm pretty sure there is no Evo - I remember this being confirmed at some point, whether on here or from folks I know at Specialized shops.
For the last year, there have been daily posts pondering about the new Stumpjumper.
PB is already getting paid to give it a 5 star review, why the hype?
What’s a play bike to you?
Like it or not, it’s the oldest mtb model still selling. On top of that, speci has a huge amount of money for r&d and a lot of folks look forward to see what they come up with. Mainstream-wise, they kinda set the pace for the other big brands. And finally, the stumpy and stumpy Evo have been pretty consistently awesome the last couple of iterations.
bosch + TRP for automatic-shifting rear derailleur.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/automatic-shifting-rear-derailleurs…
Specialized launch
kiska high-pivot concept bike
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/kiska-unveils-state-art-high-pivot-…
Elon Musk talked about delays in his FSD prediction - the error was thinking of innovation as exponential improvements. Instead he said it’s more like a series of stacked logarithmic curves, every so often there’s a big jump followed by small incremental gains, until the next big jump.
I think this is true for any industry and I’m not sure MTB is any different. Personally I don’t think bikes have plateaued, we’re just in a period of incremental improvements until the next jump. Who knows when it will be or what it looks like. But I’m willing to bet that in ten years, today’s bikes will feel no less obsolete than bikes of ten years ago feel today.
Just saw on the PB article that there’s no routing option for a cable drive train on the new stumpy. What the fuck is wrong with these people.
S Curves.
Progress still happens even near the top of the S curve, but it's like watching yourself age as you brush your teeth every morning. Day to day, you're seeing the same face in the mirror. Year to year... probably still pretty much seeing the same face. But jump 4-5 years, you've changed. Compare 2019 to 2024, taking the rise of the e-bike out of the picture, we're riding bikes that are yet longer and lower and slacker, steeper seat tubes, bigger brakes, often with some combination of better electronic shifting, high pivots, chain growth defeating tech, etc, etc. We're seeing stack and RC grow in cutting edge bikes now. In another year or two, that 2019 bike will be 'garbage,' and the EWS winning 2023 Stumpjumper will be good enough for blue trails for your dad.
All this leads me to believe they'll release an alloy budget version like they did with the Epic and Chisel full squish that works with cable drivetrains. Hopefully it's mullet compatible (not restricted to S1/S2) otherwise those are two massive misses compared to the Evo. Other option to fill the gap between new stumpy and enduro might be a revamped Status 160?
vital's stumpy piece
https://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/bikes/specialized/stumpjumper-15…
Are they going to release an aluminum frame version of the new Stumpy at some point? Seems like a pretty solid bike all around, although $5,500 is pretty high for a 'base' model these days.
I was catching up reading all the pre-embargo chit-chat about the Stumpy and you beat me to linking our review, Spomer. Do we even need to cover new bike launches at this point? All you internet detectives seem to get the job done just fine haha
I'm curious what people think about the Stumpy after they read through all the details. As you'll see, I only rode the bike for two days, but I really liked it. I gave more of an overview of how the GENIE shock works and focused more on what that translated to on the trail. It's definitely the most exciting aspect of the bike since everything else has remained pretty similar to the EVO (which I also think is a good thing).
Also, there is no routing for cable-actuated drivetrains...
So, a Super Delux with a meg neg?
meg neg is just a larger negative air chamber that you can tune back. This appears to be a position based reduction in positive air chamber.
Is it really just DV9 BNCs?
https://www.instagram.com/p/C87SwzvKWqY/
I wouldn't class the shock on the stumpy as proprietary. It's a standard size.eye to eye so can be replaced with another readily available shock with same e2e.
As someone who's going to be selling their current gen Stumpy Evo in the next year I'm glad to hear Specialized care about my resale value. 😄
I'm sure it rides amazing but no way I'll be buying one until they release an alloy version compatible with cable derailleurs and a mullet link for size S3, there's just too many restrictive aspects (not to mention price) for me to consider today's models a bike that will last 5+ years. Which sucks because I held off on buying the alloy Evo frame in the hopes that this new version would be the ticket, and now I can't find an alloy S3 Evo frame anywhere. Will have to look elsewhere for my next bike
I'll sell you an alloy evo frame with a WRP Mullet Yoke and a Cascade Link once that lightweight YT releases lol
Am I mistaken? I thought they ship 29 but the 27.5 link is available for all sizes?
I'm sure it's one of the nicest riding bikes out there, but that is a ton of money to severely limit your suspension and drivetrain choices.
Sizes S1 and S2 are Mullet only. S3 and up come as 29 but can be mullet with the link. I think it is confusing some.
got me, thanks for confirming! well that solves one of my two deal breaker issues
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