Decoy and Decoy 29 are mostly out of stock with a soon/July/Aug restock date so that checks. I can see some room for some spec updates...
Decoy and Decoy 29 are mostly out of stock with a soon/July/Aug restock date so that checks. I can see some room for some spec updates on a few models but otherwise I wonder if it's a full frame refresh? I've been waiting on the 29 core 4 to come back into stock on sale -$2000, the geo and specs seem great, a light emtb to me would only mean less range and -7 to 9 lbs.
Fingers crossed, im wondering the same.
I'd like to add a bosch sx 150mm or more preferably. Those bikes have been coming in around 41-43lbs with...
Fingers crossed, im wondering the same.
I'd like to add a bosch sx 150mm or more preferably. Those bikes have been coming in around 41-43lbs with the 400w battery and 47ish lbs w the 250w extender. 400w with bosch should get close to my 540w and shimano
I’d like to see the Fazua or Bosch with a swappable battery, like the Transition Relay. I’d rather swap a whole new battery at the truck...
I’d like to see the Fazua or Bosch with a swappable battery, like the Transition Relay. I’d rather swap a whole new battery at the truck and there’s zero reason these bikes can’t be compatible with a range extender as well. Other than the Decoy the Relay is by far the most popular emtb I’m seeing people on in and around the bike park. Really think the market is wide open for long travel mid weight eebs.
totaly agree , 170mm with fazua is the best option for me
Decoy and Decoy 29 are mostly out of stock with a soon/July/Aug restock date so that checks. I can see some room for some spec updates...
Decoy and Decoy 29 are mostly out of stock with a soon/July/Aug restock date so that checks. I can see some room for some spec updates on a few models but otherwise I wonder if it's a full frame refresh? I've been waiting on the 29 core 4 to come back into stock on sale -$2000, the geo and specs seem great, a light emtb to me would only mean less range and -7 to 9 lbs.
Fingers crossed, im wondering the same.
I'd like to add a bosch sx 150mm or more preferably. Those bikes have been coming in around 41-43lbs with...
Fingers crossed, im wondering the same.
I'd like to add a bosch sx 150mm or more preferably. Those bikes have been coming in around 41-43lbs with the 400w battery and 47ish lbs w the 250w extender. 400w with bosch should get close to my 540w and shimano
I’d like to see the Fazua or Bosch with a swappable battery, like the Transition Relay. I’d rather swap a whole new battery at the truck...
I’d like to see the Fazua or Bosch with a swappable battery, like the Transition Relay. I’d rather swap a whole new battery at the truck and there’s zero reason these bikes can’t be compatible with a range extender as well. Other than the Decoy the Relay is by far the most popular emtb I’m seeing people on in and around the bike park. Really think the market is wide open for long travel mid weight eebs.
Swappable batteries do add frame weight if youre ok with that.
The sx seems like a durable , rebuildable motor with available parts along with decent power and weight. Seems to strike a nice balance. If it was a 150/160 bike i think i'd want the internal battery w extender option for either 2 hr blast or longer pedals. An sx on a 180/190-200 bike i could go swappable and thatd be my shuttle/dh/park/lift lap bike but really this bike is about getting close to a reasonable dh bike weight so id prefer internal battery.
The dream with a 2 emtb quiver alongside a full power 160-170/170-190 cx w 750w battery or 2 x 500w. I think im more inclined to have the full power external and have 2 x 500 for big alpine adventures in the mountains. Thats where the full power shines. The mid weight is a blaster bike
Fingers crossed, im wondering the same.
I'd like to add a bosch sx 150mm or more preferably. Those bikes have been coming in around 41-43lbs with...
Fingers crossed, im wondering the same.
I'd like to add a bosch sx 150mm or more preferably. Those bikes have been coming in around 41-43lbs with the 400w battery and 47ish lbs w the 250w extender. 400w with bosch should get close to my 540w and shimano
I’d like to see the Fazua or Bosch with a swappable battery, like the Transition Relay. I’d rather swap a whole new battery at the truck...
I’d like to see the Fazua or Bosch with a swappable battery, like the Transition Relay. I’d rather swap a whole new battery at the truck and there’s zero reason these bikes can’t be compatible with a range extender as well. Other than the Decoy the Relay is by far the most popular emtb I’m seeing people on in and around the bike park. Really think the market is wide open for long travel mid weight eebs.
Swappable batteries do add frame weight if youre ok with that.
The sx seems like a durable , rebuildable motor with available parts along with decent...
Swappable batteries do add frame weight if youre ok with that.
The sx seems like a durable , rebuildable motor with available parts along with decent power and weight. Seems to strike a nice balance. If it was a 150/160 bike i think i'd want the internal battery w extender option for either 2 hr blast or longer pedals. An sx on a 180/190-200 bike i could go swappable and thatd be my shuttle/dh/park/lift lap bike but really this bike is about getting close to a reasonable dh bike weight so id prefer internal battery.
The dream with a 2 emtb quiver alongside a full power 160-170/170-190 cx w 750w battery or 2 x 500w. I think im more inclined to have the full power external and have 2 x 500 for big alpine adventures in the mountains. Thats where the full power shines. The mid weight is a blaster bike
I'd rather take a ~1lb weight penalty for a swappable battery than pile a range extender (that is surely over 1lb) on an already not that light SL™ bike where the range extender doesn't even double your range like a swappable battery does. I daily drove a Sight VLT carbon with the 630wh integrated battery for a few years and would've gladly made this tradeoff to have longer days and easier serviceability.
I’d like to see the Fazua or Bosch with a swappable battery, like the Transition Relay. I’d rather swap a whole new battery at the truck...
I’d like to see the Fazua or Bosch with a swappable battery, like the Transition Relay. I’d rather swap a whole new battery at the truck and there’s zero reason these bikes can’t be compatible with a range extender as well. Other than the Decoy the Relay is by far the most popular emtb I’m seeing people on in and around the bike park. Really think the market is wide open for long travel mid weight eebs.
Swappable batteries do add frame weight if youre ok with that.
The sx seems like a durable , rebuildable motor with available parts along with decent...
Swappable batteries do add frame weight if youre ok with that.
The sx seems like a durable , rebuildable motor with available parts along with decent power and weight. Seems to strike a nice balance. If it was a 150/160 bike i think i'd want the internal battery w extender option for either 2 hr blast or longer pedals. An sx on a 180/190-200 bike i could go swappable and thatd be my shuttle/dh/park/lift lap bike but really this bike is about getting close to a reasonable dh bike weight so id prefer internal battery.
The dream with a 2 emtb quiver alongside a full power 160-170/170-190 cx w 750w battery or 2 x 500w. I think im more inclined to have the full power external and have 2 x 500 for big alpine adventures in the mountains. Thats where the full power shines. The mid weight is a blaster bike
I'd rather take a ~1lb weight penalty for a swappable battery than pile a range extender (that is surely over 1lb) on an already not that...
I'd rather take a ~1lb weight penalty for a swappable battery than pile a range extender (that is surely over 1lb) on an already not that light SL™ bike where the range extender doesn't even double your range like a swappable battery does. I daily drove a Sight VLT carbon with the 630wh integrated battery for a few years and would've gladly made this tradeoff to have longer days and easier serviceability.
Sight vlt w a 630w(53?lb) battery gets about the same mileage as a bosch cx with an imaginary(if they existed) 550w(50lb) or an sx with a 475w or there abouts. An sx w the stock 400w (44lb) that most are speccing them with is going to give me about the same as my shimano decoy with the 540w. With a 250 range extender id say atleast equivalent to a shimano ep801 w a 800w battery. 400w/44lb bike would be nice most days. Could chuck that around np. With the extender thats a sizeable day. Big mountain climbs need the full power and all day boost of 2 batteries occasionally. Im out east at the moment so i could get by with a mid power no problem. Im lacking the vert and available long steep climbing. I can keep the revs up here most places so that leans toward the sx and its ability to get that 600w power when youre spinning above 100 rpm. Puts some 150mm cranks on and spin away thru the ec chunder.
Im on a heavy weight mid power bike atm because i still have a e8000/70nm on my 55lb bike.
I think the next gen of batteries will hit during the upcoming weeks/months for some manufacturers with wh/kg more inline with the new Orbea Rise batteries or the Bosch Compacttube 400.
From my experience the Bosch SX or Fazua are plenty for anyone who isn't very tall or overweight (heavy people) and just wants to get up the fireroads faster/easier. BUT they simply drain the 400wh batteries too fast. Those motors paired with next gen 600wh batteries + RE option should be spot on in my mind.
Such bikes with an weight optimized alloy frame could come in at about 20kg/45lb with "regular" enduro builds and proper tires. Wouldn't care about non removable battery with 600wh mid assist.
Battery and range discussion thread someone please. I'd create one but I doubt I could bear the notifications.
Like it or not, E bikes are where the bulk of MTB development has been in the last 5ish years and where it will continue to be for a while. The E bike stuff being discussed is more on topic than a lot of the brake feel discussion recently in my opinion.
Like it or not, E bikes are where the bulk of MTB development has been in the last 5ish years and where it will continue to...
Like it or not, E bikes are where the bulk of MTB development has been in the last 5ish years and where it will continue to be for a while. The E bike stuff being discussed is more on topic than a lot of the brake feel discussion recently in my opinion.
Yes, the industry is devoting an inordinate amount of energy into e-bike development. That said, there is a dedicated thread on the forum as Spomer has pointed out and it would be appreciated if discussion of such things were taken there.
that's because codes are indeed garbage, they were before and they will be in the future, little power and lot of strength required to obtain it...
that's because codes are indeed garbage, they were before and they will be in the future, little power and lot of strength required to obtain it, the exact opposite of what a "downhill" brake should be
Thank You,
My thoughts exactly.
We could all use a little headed thinking, and the realization that we are all different, ride different, on different terrain...
Thank You,
My thoughts exactly.
We could all use a little headed thinking, and the realization that we are all different, ride different, on different terrain, with different abilities, on different bikes, and have different needs/wants.
We live in a wonderful time, with amazing choices, that all work really well
Thoroughly convinced that most folks will get R's specced on their new bike, run it a few times, experience an issue then make the sweeping decision that all brakes from SRAM are bad. Code RSC's are great brakes to be honest, they've just got a different feel. They wouldn't have survived on the downhill circuit before Mavens if they weren't great brakes.
Like it or not, E bikes are where the bulk of MTB development has been in the last 5ish years and where it will continue to...
Like it or not, E bikes are where the bulk of MTB development has been in the last 5ish years and where it will continue to be for a while. The E bike stuff being discussed is more on topic than a lot of the brake feel discussion recently in my opinion.
I know. Why don't you start Vital EebMTB? Or VitalMoped as Bizutch would probably call it. I'm a retired mountain biker. I liked to pedal. I've probably been farther and longer by leg power than you'll ever go on an e-bike. I'm sidelined due to Multiple Sclerosis and I have friends in high places who have offered me free mopeds and I've gratefully declined every time. If VitalMTB turns into VitalMoped I guess I'll have to retire from my position as a Mod and regular user here too. I really hope that never has to happen as I dearly love this sport and this place. Can't we just get back to talking about real mountain bikes?
Like it or not, E bikes are where the bulk of MTB development has been in the last 5ish years and where it will continue to...
Like it or not, E bikes are where the bulk of MTB development has been in the last 5ish years and where it will continue to be for a while. The E bike stuff being discussed is more on topic than a lot of the brake feel discussion recently in my opinion.
I know. Why don't you start Vital EebMTB? Or VitalMoped as Bizutch would probably call it. I'm a retired mountain biker. I liked to pedal. I've...
I know. Why don't you start Vital EebMTB? Or VitalMoped as Bizutch would probably call it. I'm a retired mountain biker. I liked to pedal. I've probably been farther and longer by leg power than you'll ever go on an e-bike. I'm sidelined due to Multiple Sclerosis and I have friends in high places who have offered me free mopeds and I've gratefully declined every time. If VitalMTB turns into VitalMoped I guess I'll have to retire from my position as a Mod and regular user here too. I really hope that never has to happen as I dearly love this sport and this place. Can't we just get back to talking about real mountain bikes?
Seriously, tell Spomer to take that Fauza post to the moped thread
Just jokes!
Back to non-ebike but still electric rumors... SRAM dropped new beta AXS firmware. This typically precedes a new product launch in the nearish future.
the good stuff, which there's plenty, stuff that doesn't perform like a 20$ brake costing 600$, drivetrains that don't fail or slap around while costing thousands...
the good stuff, which there's plenty, stuff that doesn't perform like a 20$ brake costing 600$, drivetrains that don't fail or slap around while costing thousands of $$$, it really doesn't take much.
i might say garbage which is a strong word, but just think about that a code costs r the same as a saint, street price, and nobody has good experience with them, isn't that crap?
back to the rumors.
To falsify your personal anecdotal evidence, here's mine. I've never had great experiences with shimano brakes, and happily choose, purchase, and run exclusively sram brakes on all of my bikes.
I've had XT, XTR, SLX, and Deore brakes, and every single one of them required a biweekly bleed and broke and had inconsistent bite points.
I've been on codes for 4 years now on trail/enduro bikes and I bleed them once every 6 months. Literally never had a problem, EVER. Happily running mavens on the downhill bike and reveling in their immense power. Even loved my Levels. G2's kinda sucked.
I know. Why don't you start Vital EebMTB? Or VitalMoped as Bizutch would probably call it. I'm a retired mountain biker. I liked to pedal. I've...
I know. Why don't you start Vital EebMTB? Or VitalMoped as Bizutch would probably call it. I'm a retired mountain biker. I liked to pedal. I've probably been farther and longer by leg power than you'll ever go on an e-bike. I'm sidelined due to Multiple Sclerosis and I have friends in high places who have offered me free mopeds and I've gratefully declined every time. If VitalMTB turns into VitalMoped I guess I'll have to retire from my position as a Mod and regular user here too. I really hope that never has to happen as I dearly love this sport and this place. Can't we just get back to talking about real mountain bikes?
Since you’re a MOD, I assume you can see who downvotes you?
Rumored Saint brake and how SRAM would spec future builds with code/Maven was where my head was at. I like honest/informed feedback, including negative experiences with Shimano/Sram/BrandX. If that was off topic, fair enough
With the way innovations are handled in this industry, I think a good measure of sarcasm and sometimes looking like a dick is a necessity...
totaly agree , 170mm with fazua is the best option for me
Swappable batteries do add frame weight if youre ok with that.
The sx seems like a durable , rebuildable motor with available parts along with decent power and weight. Seems to strike a nice balance. If it was a 150/160 bike i think i'd want the internal battery w extender option for either 2 hr blast or longer pedals. An sx on a 180/190-200 bike i could go swappable and thatd be my shuttle/dh/park/lift lap bike but really this bike is about getting close to a reasonable dh bike weight so id prefer internal battery.
The dream with a 2 emtb quiver alongside a full power 160-170/170-190 cx w 750w battery or 2 x 500w. I think im more inclined to have the full power external and have 2 x 500 for big alpine adventures in the mountains. Thats where the full power shines. The mid weight is a blaster bike
new sram axs derailleur? first seen on a cube bike, googled it and found this
https://www.sram.com/en/service/models/rd-x-1e-a1
I think it already broke cover a year ago as the Apex AXS mullet setup:
https://bikepacking.com/news/sram-apex-eagle-xplr-12-speed/
New Stumpy tomorrow and not a single leaked photo yet?
Expecting the design to mirror the Levo SL.
Prototype pic from that other website.
I'd rather take a ~1lb weight penalty for a swappable battery than pile a range extender (that is surely over 1lb) on an already not that light SL™ bike where the range extender doesn't even double your range like a swappable battery does. I daily drove a Sight VLT carbon with the 630wh integrated battery for a few years and would've gladly made this tradeoff to have longer days and easier serviceability.
Sight vlt w a 630w(53?lb) battery gets about the same mileage as a bosch cx with an imaginary(if they existed) 550w(50lb) or an sx with a 475w or there abouts. An sx w the stock 400w (44lb) that most are speccing them with is going to give me about the same as my shimano decoy with the 540w. With a 250 range extender id say atleast equivalent to a shimano ep801 w a 800w battery. 400w/44lb bike would be nice most days. Could chuck that around np. With the extender thats a sizeable day. Big mountain climbs need the full power and all day boost of 2 batteries occasionally. Im out east at the moment so i could get by with a mid power no problem. Im lacking the vert and available long steep climbing. I can keep the revs up here most places so that leans toward the sx and its ability to get that 600w power when youre spinning above 100 rpm. Puts some 150mm cranks on and spin away thru the ec chunder.
Im on a heavy weight mid power bike atm because i still have a e8000/70nm on my 55lb bike.
I think the next gen of batteries will hit during the upcoming weeks/months for some manufacturers with wh/kg more inline with the new Orbea Rise batteries or the Bosch Compacttube 400.
From my experience the Bosch SX or Fazua are plenty for anyone who isn't very tall or overweight (heavy people) and just wants to get up the fireroads faster/easier. BUT they simply drain the 400wh batteries too fast. Those motors paired with next gen 600wh batteries + RE option should be spot on in my mind.
Such bikes with an weight optimized alloy frame could come in at about 20kg/45lb with "regular" enduro builds and proper tires. Wouldn't care about non removable battery with 600wh mid assist.
That's what I am wishing for anyways.
Battery and range discussion thread someone please. I'd create one but I doubt I could bear the notifications.
ebike tech forum thread is here already - https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/e-bike-talk-not-tech-rumor-derailme…
DJI coming up with an Ebike motor
Like it or not, E bikes are where the bulk of MTB development has been in the last 5ish years and where it will continue to be for a while. The E bike stuff being discussed is more on topic than a lot of the brake feel discussion recently in my opinion.
Yes, the industry is devoting an inordinate amount of energy into e-bike development. That said, there is a dedicated thread on the forum as Spomer has pointed out and it would be appreciated if discussion of such things were taken there.
2025 Fazua news - https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/2025-fazua-ride-60-product-news
Thoroughly convinced that most folks will get R's specced on their new bike, run it a few times, experience an issue then make the sweeping decision that all brakes from SRAM are bad. Code RSC's are great brakes to be honest, they've just got a different feel. They wouldn't have survived on the downhill circuit before Mavens if they weren't great brakes.
All this news and still no update on the range extender they've been "developing" since the Ride60 dropped.
I know. Why don't you start Vital EebMTB? Or VitalMoped as Bizutch would probably call it. I'm a retired mountain biker. I liked to pedal. I've probably been farther and longer by leg power than you'll ever go on an e-bike. I'm sidelined due to Multiple Sclerosis and I have friends in high places who have offered me free mopeds and I've gratefully declined every time. If VitalMTB turns into VitalMoped I guess I'll have to retire from my position as a Mod and regular user here too. I really hope that never has to happen as I dearly love this sport and this place. Can't we just get back to talking about real mountain bikes?
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/e-bike-talk-not-tech-rumor-derailme…
Seriously, tell Spomer to take that Fauza post to the moped thread
Just jokes!
Back to non-ebike but still electric rumors... SRAM dropped new beta AXS firmware. This typically precedes a new product launch in the nearish future.
To falsify your personal anecdotal evidence, here's mine. I've never had great experiences with shimano brakes, and happily choose, purchase, and run exclusively sram brakes on all of my bikes.
I've had XT, XTR, SLX, and Deore brakes, and every single one of them required a biweekly bleed and broke and had inconsistent bite points.
I've been on codes for 4 years now on trail/enduro bikes and I bleed them once every 6 months. Literally never had a problem, EVER. Happily running mavens on the downhill bike and reveling in their immense power. Even loved my Levels. G2's kinda sucked.
Since you’re a MOD, I assume you can see who downvotes you?
You know, because…
That is the prototype for the current (out-going) Stumpy EVO.
Rumored Saint brake and how SRAM would spec future builds with code/Maven was where my head was at. I like honest/informed feedback, including negative experiences with Shimano/Sram/BrandX. If that was off topic, fair enough
https://bikerumor.com/the-end-of-the-presta-valve-new-schwalbe-clik-val…
Stumpjumper 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4rvT3rcOAk
So you don't have to leave Vital:
Okay, here you go
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