Transmission, it's weaknesses, and "solutions" for those weaknesses all seem kind of insane to me.Hey we have this little uvula looking thing on the back of...
Transmission, it's weaknesses, and "solutions" for those weaknesses all seem kind of insane to me.
Hey we have this little uvula looking thing on the back of frames which the derailleur attaches to. Usually, derailleurs aren't that expensive these days but just in case, it's meant to bend instead of allowing the derailleur to break. Because our frame is made of steel, we can usually just bend it back for free! How nice!
Since we moved on to alloy/carbon, we had to make the hanger its own item. We went with aluminum alloy so it's stiff and light, but if you snag up on a rock or cause your bike to go tumbling down the side of a mountain, which happens from time to time, hopefully this twenty to forty dollar piece of metal breaks or bends instead of your derailleur, the price of which is rapidly inflating. Too bad there's a million hangers and none of them work with each other, but hey, that's the cost of providing consumers with a variety of frame designs and materials and varying price points!
OK, so we're trying to simplify things by getting vast swathes of the industry to move to a universal hanger. Great, right? But since we fucking hate you, we're going to make a bunch of them out of shittily moulded plastic riddled with manufacturing defects in our initial runs, thus ensuring that your brand new Trek (for which you waited a year and paid MSRP) is locked out of proper shifting for six to eight months, or whenever the supply chain woes end. Whichever is later!
Actually, forget the whole hanger thing. Now that we got most brands to standardize the mounting interface, we'll skip the hanger and make the derailleur mount directly to the frame. This was expensive to develop, but don't worry, we spent some of that R&D budget ensuring that we integrated both the function of a derailleur and the function of a hanger together: Not only will this thing smoothly and accurately shift under load, we purposely made parts of it kind of weak so it functions as a disposable hanger too! Best of all, instead of replacing that little piece of inexpensive aluminum, you now get to replace a very expensive little piece of aluminum that performed the same job! At least it's less than your $5,499.99 S-Works frame though, right?
BUT WAIT! What if I told you that you could replace those weaker parts of the transmission system with dramatically stronger aftermarket solutions? They'll take those crappy OEM bits and replace them with a colourful piece of CNC glory, and all for the low price of only somewhat more expensive than the OEM replacement! Best of all, those impact forces we were talking about? We figured out a way transfer them directly into your seat stay!
Somebody help me out. I actually don't get it.
Sure, you’re right. But, do you guys remember just how bad hangers and derailleurs used to be? The plus side was everything was easy to bend back straight. The downside was I’d would usually bust 3-5 derailleurs and a similar number of hangers per year. I got to a point that I used to bring an extra derailleur on long rides.
New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same interchangeable rear dropouts. Also, has a pinion smart shift option
New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same...
New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same interchangeable rear dropouts. Also, has a pinion smart shift option
Sounds great! Now they need to offer different hub sizes dropouts for us folks with 12x157 hubs!
New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same...
New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same interchangeable rear dropouts. Also, has a pinion smart shift option
Ha, literally staring at my full cart right now. Been on a Kavenz for 4 seasons, now that the Smartshift Pinion is available I think I’m finally ready to pull the trigger on a gearbox bike.
Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update? It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use trunnion mount vertical shocks like that.
Transmission, it's weaknesses, and "solutions" for those weaknesses all seem kind of insane to me.Hey we have this little uvula looking thing on the back of...
Transmission, it's weaknesses, and "solutions" for those weaknesses all seem kind of insane to me.
Hey we have this little uvula looking thing on the back of frames which the derailleur attaches to. Usually, derailleurs aren't that expensive these days but just in case, it's meant to bend instead of allowing the derailleur to break. Because our frame is made of steel, we can usually just bend it back for free! How nice!
Since we moved on to alloy/carbon, we had to make the hanger its own item. We went with aluminum alloy so it's stiff and light, but if you snag up on a rock or cause your bike to go tumbling down the side of a mountain, which happens from time to time, hopefully this twenty to forty dollar piece of metal breaks or bends instead of your derailleur, the price of which is rapidly inflating. Too bad there's a million hangers and none of them work with each other, but hey, that's the cost of providing consumers with a variety of frame designs and materials and varying price points!
OK, so we're trying to simplify things by getting vast swathes of the industry to move to a universal hanger. Great, right? But since we fucking hate you, we're going to make a bunch of them out of shittily moulded plastic riddled with manufacturing defects in our initial runs, thus ensuring that your brand new Trek (for which you waited a year and paid MSRP) is locked out of proper shifting for six to eight months, or whenever the supply chain woes end. Whichever is later!
Actually, forget the whole hanger thing. Now that we got most brands to standardize the mounting interface, we'll skip the hanger and make the derailleur mount directly to the frame. This was expensive to develop, but don't worry, we spent some of that R&D budget ensuring that we integrated both the function of a derailleur and the function of a hanger together: Not only will this thing smoothly and accurately shift under load, we purposely made parts of it kind of weak so it functions as a disposable hanger too! Best of all, instead of replacing that little piece of inexpensive aluminum, you now get to replace a very expensive little piece of aluminum that performed the same job! At least it's less than your $5,499.99 S-Works frame though, right?
BUT WAIT! What if I told you that you could replace those weaker parts of the transmission system with dramatically stronger aftermarket solutions? They'll take those crappy OEM bits and replace them with a colourful piece of CNC glory, and all for the low price of only somewhat more expensive than the OEM replacement! Best of all, those impact forces we were talking about? We figured out a way transfer them directly into your seat stay!
Very well written.Another thing I can't help to wrap my head around are the weights we're strapping to the unsprung side of our rear ends:Shimano RD-M980...
Very well written.
Another thing I can't help to wrap my head around are the weights we're strapping to the unsprung side of our rear ends:
Shimano RD-M980 (2011) 175g Sram XX (2011) 180g Shimano RD-M9120 (machanical) 241g Sram Transmission XX (incl. Battery) 465g
Not a total apples to apples comparison, but looking at this I can't help but feel this isn't the pinnacle of drivertain design.
So, you're really concerned about ~0.5lbs on bikes that average around 37lbs (assuming enduro bikes)? I'm struggling to come to terms with that mattering much. Heck, I'm struggling to come to terms with how much that would matter on my XC bike that weights 24lbs. I understand that it is at a specific spot but real world usage doesn't seem to indicate relevance so I'm not sure that it would be any different in theory. I simply don't believe this is a real factor for 99.9999999% of people on bikes. I'm sure we can find someone that can actually tell the difference in controlled testing but I believe they're an extreme outlier if the exist at all.
Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update? It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use...
Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update? It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use trunnion mount vertical shocks like that.
The TR11, Smuggler, and Spur are the only non-trunnion models. The Spire, Scout, Sentinel, Relay, Repeater (PT and EP8), and Patrol all have trunnion mounted shocks.
Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update? It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use...
Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update? It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use trunnion mount vertical shocks like that.
Can anyone explain the marketing strategy of Pivot letting Enduro-Mtb feature/review the bike and not showing it anywhere else,
including their website ??
according to the test in enduro-mtb launch will be in october. why they‘re allowed to post a review a month in advance i‘ve no clue, maybe because it‘s not widely available cause you have to use their app (which is free though)? 😅
none the less, that new suspension design really seems to rip according to their test. looking forward to reading more opinions/reviews.
they even tried plenty, but blind enough $$$$$ to say it's no biggie, which again $$$$$ it's hard not to say it's garbage when you're working on it, looking at it or whatever, perhaps they couldn't $ee properly
I got it, snx! I've been all over enduro-mtb site looking for the article, dummy 😄
Sure, you’re right. But, do you guys remember just how bad hangers and derailleurs used to be? The plus side was everything was easy to bend back straight. The downside was I’d would usually bust 3-5 derailleurs and a similar number of hangers per year. I got to a point that I used to bring an extra derailleur on long rides.
New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same interchangeable rear dropouts. Also, has a pinion smart shift option
Sounds great! Now they need to offer different hub sizes dropouts for us folks with 12x157 hubs!
Ha, literally staring at my full cart right now. Been on a Kavenz for 4 seasons, now that the Smartshift Pinion is available I think I’m finally ready to pull the trigger on a gearbox bike.
enduro world champs pit bits - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/pit-bits-enduro-world-champs
Just saw this and thought it‘s funny (and I‘m probably the only one 😅)
And
Any ideas what this might be?
I believe.......... it is a bicycle.
(Sorry)
All the automation and then you end up with a load of dials to deal with. And you quite enjoy it 😆
Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update? It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use trunnion mount vertical shocks like that.
So, you're really concerned about ~0.5lbs on bikes that average around 37lbs (assuming enduro bikes)? I'm struggling to come to terms with that mattering much. Heck, I'm struggling to come to terms with how much that would matter on my XC bike that weights 24lbs. I understand that it is at a specific spot but real world usage doesn't seem to indicate relevance so I'm not sure that it would be any different in theory. I simply don't believe this is a real factor for 99.9999999% of people on bikes. I'm sure we can find someone that can actually tell the difference in controlled testing but I believe they're an extreme outlier if the exist at all.
Zebra
IDK, looks more like a zonkey to me.
It's a Rosignol
I don't think any of their current bikes are trunnion...https://www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes.cfm
The TR11, Smuggler, and Spur are the only non-trunnion models. The Spire, Scout, Sentinel, Relay, Repeater (PT and EP8), and Patrol all have trunnion mounted shocks.
Lol wut
Love you 😘
Can anyone explain the marketing strategy of Pivot letting Enduro-Mtb feature/review the bike and not showing it anywhere else,
including their website ??
according to the test in enduro-mtb launch will be in october. why they‘re allowed to post a review a month in advance i‘ve no clue, maybe because it‘s not widely available cause you have to use their app (which is free though)? 😅
none the less, that new suspension design really seems to rip according to their test. looking forward to reading more opinions/reviews.
I stopped reading Enduro-MTB when they defended headset cable routing as cleaner and "people whinged about internal routing so stop whinging".
https://enduro-mtb.com/en/headset-cable-routing/
they even tried plenty, but blind enough $$$$$ to say it's no biggie, which again $$$$$ it's hard not to say it's garbage when you're working on it, looking at it or whatever, perhaps they couldn't $ee properly
Enduro-mtb don’t have embargo in their dictionary
New Fox Coil Shock?
When you enter the SNR on the fox website
Every Enduro mag review......needs dh tyres and 220mm rotors.
Live valve with an external climb switch is interesting.
(also DH sizing with a climb switch...)
well they‘re not wrong when they say that exo or exo+ tires are too flimsy on an enduro bike if you use it properly
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