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DylanJM
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9/11/2024 4:24am
DylanJM wrote:

That Pro/Expert looks mullet to me....anyone else?

bikelurker wrote:
The rear tire says infact 27.5Seems odd to me that they come specced with SLX, aren't we waiting for mechanical transmision? Maybe its a mockup photo...

The rear tire says infact 27.5

Seems odd to me that they come specced with SLX, aren't we waiting for mechanical transmision? Maybe its a mockup photo, waiting for the release

 

There's Shimano on the new Status also. Think it's likely the final spec. Specialized seem the vary between Shimano/SRAM on a year to year basis. 

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9/11/2024 5:39am

That Pro/Expert looks mullet to me....anyone else?

bikelurker wrote:
The rear tire says infact 27.5Seems odd to me that they come specced with SLX, aren't we waiting for mechanical transmision? Maybe its a mockup photo...

The rear tire says infact 27.5

Seems odd to me that they come specced with SLX, aren't we waiting for mechanical transmision? Maybe its a mockup photo, waiting for the release

 

DylanJM wrote:

There's Shimano on the new Status also. Think it's likely the final spec. Specialized seem the vary between Shimano/SRAM on a year to year basis. 

Yeah, and at least in the past, even alternative xtr/xx1 sworks builds. No, I just tought shimano is phasing out SLX already (I stopped looking at it before summer, but it was a dificult groupset to source parts for, at least in europe)

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Genuinely surprised they kept the twin chain transmission on the production bike.That is a lot of proprietary parts and complexity. I assumed they would just simplify it to a traditional idler set up. There must be some tangible benefits to justify it.

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Zooming in on the photo.
Adjustable progression on lower shock mount.
Adjustable geo via seatstay chip
Adjustable reach with headset cups.
Custom chainset (don't know brand).
It will be eye wateringly expensive (not from photo......it's just a Pivot).

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gibbon wrote:
Genuinely surprised they kept the twin chain transmission on the production bike.That is a lot of proprietary parts and complexity. I assumed they would just simplify...

Genuinely surprised they kept the twin chain transmission on the production bike.That is a lot of proprietary parts and complexity. I assumed they would just simplify it to a traditional idler set up. There must be some tangible benefits to justify it.

It's the essence of Dave Weagles patent. And the best way to implement a high pivot. It adds less drag than a traditional idler because of the chainring size. The layout I was thinking of a few years ago (pre patent) was twin 22t rings basically as near together as possible, giving you the option to vary the final drive ratio by going to either 20/24 or a 24/20 combo without affecting the antisquat in any way. 

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9/11/2024 7:14am
gibbon wrote:
Genuinely surprised they kept the twin chain transmission on the production bike.That is a lot of proprietary parts and complexity. I assumed they would just simplify...

Genuinely surprised they kept the twin chain transmission on the production bike.That is a lot of proprietary parts and complexity. I assumed they would just simplify it to a traditional idler set up. There must be some tangible benefits to justify it.

The main point with the two chains was that you can have a smaller chainring for clearance because of the gearing ratio.

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kingsleyrh wrote:

Finally Finally! Specialized giving the people what they want!

The people want a €3.6k metal bike with deore and xfusion?

3.5k you get Fox suspensions...but not that cool as S

 

https://images2.giant-bicycles.com/b_white%2Cc_pad%2Ch_2000%2Cq_80/jii1…

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There is a Test in the enduro magazine.

Didn't go through it, but the Pivot had the fastest lap for all 3 testers and they gave it best bike on test. 

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gibbon wrote:
Genuinely surprised they kept the twin chain transmission on the production bike.That is a lot of proprietary parts and complexity. I assumed they would just simplify...

Genuinely surprised they kept the twin chain transmission on the production bike.That is a lot of proprietary parts and complexity. I assumed they would just simplify it to a traditional idler set up. There must be some tangible benefits to justify it.

Besides better ground clearance, reduced drag, it also reduces chain growth of the bottom chain line, typical high pivot only reduces it on the upper chain line while derailleur has to compensate for even more chain growth at the bottom part. That through der. Clutch  ads friction to the suspension. Weight and more bearings seems to be the only negative aspect here.

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9/11/2024 9:20am

From the other site. Mechanical Transmission spotted. 

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What are the odds are that they offer mechanical transmission above the SX level?


I could maybe see them offering it at GX and having that be the crossover point.

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Nobble wrote:
What are the odds are that they offer mechanical transmission above the SX level?I could maybe see them offering it at GX and having that be...

What are the odds are that they offer mechanical transmission above the SX level?


I could maybe see them offering it at GX and having that be the crossover point.

I’m seeing GX-level builds with unspecified derailleurs in my embargoed crystal ball…

I haven’t seen anything about it in the orb, but I’m really hoping the X0 tier survives in a cable actuated format as well.

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PisgahGnar wrote:
From the other site. Mechanical Transmission spotted. 

From the other site. Mechanical Transmission spotted. 

photophoto

@wellbastardfast it does look like it is possible afterall

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PisgahGnar wrote:
From the other site. Mechanical Transmission spotted. 

From the other site. Mechanical Transmission spotted. 

photophoto

Blurry pics, but it looks like plastic garbage.

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gibbon wrote:
Genuinely surprised they kept the twin chain transmission on the production bike.That is a lot of proprietary parts and complexity. I assumed they would just simplify...

Genuinely surprised they kept the twin chain transmission on the production bike.That is a lot of proprietary parts and complexity. I assumed they would just simplify it to a traditional idler set up. There must be some tangible benefits to justify it.

Jakub_G wrote:
Besides better ground clearance, reduced drag, it also reduces chain growth of the bottom chain line, typical high pivot only reduces it on the upper chain...

Besides better ground clearance, reduced drag, it also reduces chain growth of the bottom chain line, typical high pivot only reduces it on the upper chain line while derailleur has to compensate for even more chain growth at the bottom part. That through der. Clutch  ads friction to the suspension. Weight and more bearings seems to be the only negative aspect here.

This. 

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Primoz wrote:

This. 

All super worthwhile for a racing prototype, I just didn't think it would see production.
It is super cool.

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9/11/2024 10:37am
PisgahGnar wrote:
From the other site. Mechanical Transmission spotted. 

From the other site. Mechanical Transmission spotted. 

photophoto

Dogboy wrote:

Blurry pics, but it looks like plastic garbage.

True, but at least it's possible the plastic's due to prototyping...

Wonder how high up in their range there's going to be a mechanical option

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nsp234 wrote:

True, but at least it's possible the plastic's due to prototyping...

Wonder how high up in their range there's going to be a mechanical option

I can't see it going above GX.

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9/11/2024 10:41am

That new Pivot's long, upright seat tube and DW link suspension is making be wonder how it'd fare up a climbing trail with a nice wireless dropper post...

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9/11/2024 10:58am

Glad to see in frame storage not being locked behind the carbon model like every other brand does (except Trek).

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DylanJM wrote:

Glad to see in frame storage not being locked behind the carbon model like every other brand does (except Trek).

That is nice. Spec hasnt locked it away on the last stumpy evo. I think thats something they are probably sticking with. I still want to see an alloy enduro but its never gonna happen

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9/11/2024 1:28pm
nsp234 wrote:

True, but at least it's possible the plastic's due to prototyping...

Wonder how high up in their range there's going to be a mechanical option

gibbon wrote:

I can't see it going above GX.

They will be very cautious not to threaten their electronic high end stuff. 

Also the market for mechanical high-end could be small, and already some good competition in there

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Glad to see in frame storage not being locked behind the carbon model like every other brand does (except Trek).

 

This?

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