My feeling is that we were all a little too obsessed with how a bike pedals, it’s uphill performance, etc. downcountry created a category that freed...
My feeling is that we were all a little too obsessed with how a bike pedals, it’s uphill performance, etc. downcountry created a category that freed up trail bikes to be a bit more descent-focused. New stumpy and Bronson dropped a lot of anti-squat, and I think there is still a lot of AS on the table.
I think bike lurker is right about hta, sta, and reach. I also think DH bikes are borrowing a bit from enduro and getting longer and lower, but most riders don’t want or need that.
I personally want my enduro bike to be a DH bike that I can pedal. I don’t even care how “well” it pedals, I just want a regular drivetrain on it and a decent geo/dropper. I’m starting to see that idea come through in new bikes and it will be interesting to see how far we take it. There is a ton of space to explore!
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual crown compatibility, while trail bikes are creeping up on enduro bikes from the other side.
I can see the classic 160mm enduro bike going away and being replaced by 170-190mm descent focused bikes with dual crown compatibility like the Spire and Spindrift. Then riders with more mixed trails will gravitate to slightly shorter travel “all mountain” bikes like the Ripmo, Stumpy, and Bronson.
My feeling is that we were all a little too obsessed with how a bike pedals, it’s uphill performance, etc. downcountry created a category that freed...
My feeling is that we were all a little too obsessed with how a bike pedals, it’s uphill performance, etc. downcountry created a category that freed up trail bikes to be a bit more descent-focused. New stumpy and Bronson dropped a lot of anti-squat, and I think there is still a lot of AS on the table.
I think bike lurker is right about hta, sta, and reach. I also think DH bikes are borrowing a bit from enduro and getting longer and lower, but most riders don’t want or need that.
I personally want my enduro bike to be a DH bike that I can pedal. I don’t even care how “well” it pedals, I just want a regular drivetrain on it and a decent geo/dropper. I’m starting to see that idea come through in new bikes and it will be interesting to see how far we take it. There is a ton of space to explore!
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual...
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual crown compatibility, while trail bikes are creeping up on enduro bikes from the other side.
I can see the classic 160mm enduro bike going away and being replaced by 170-190mm descent focused bikes with dual crown compatibility like the Spire and Spindrift. Then riders with more mixed trails will gravitate to slightly shorter travel “all mountain” bikes like the Ripmo, Stumpy, and Bronson.
I’m with you. Progressive geo has really opened the doors to a re-categorization of bikes and how we can ride them. Bikes are fun enough now that we don’t even have to race them. The rise of the winch-and-plummet approach to riding (which has been more fun with these more capable stable bikes) means that less and less of us care about uphill performance.
Neo-progressive bikes will move back in some ways to pre-progressive traits, but balanced out with features that speak to the ways that the riding itself is changing. It’s a cycle of riding changing and bikes adapting, and the new bikes leading to new ways of riding, starting the process over again.
The cycle will stall on the big brands side until they can catch up with pre-Covid numbers and reassess where the market is and will go. Smaller core brands are going to keep killing it by making the bikes they (and we) want to ride.
If they can make the battery out of air and cut the frame weight in half, that might be possible. LOLThe excitement over the ZF &...
If they can make the battery out of air and cut the frame weight in half, that might be possible. LOL
The excitement over the ZF & other promised products is over the top. It's not even in production and people are acting like advert copy is proof the other products are no longer competitive at all.
To be fair, they weren’t boasting in the information I saw. They had a claimed weight for the complete bike, and it was 10 pounds less than a bike I’ve actually ridden. Again, a completely different frame design, but they did claim that the battery was also “significantly” lighter.
If they can make the battery out of air and cut the frame weight in half, that might be possible. LOLThe excitement over the ZF &...
If they can make the battery out of air and cut the frame weight in half, that might be possible. LOL
The excitement over the ZF & other promised products is over the top. It's not even in production and people are acting like advert copy is proof the other products are no longer competitive at all.
To be fair, they weren’t boasting in the information I saw. They had a claimed weight for the complete bike, and it was 10 pounds less...
To be fair, they weren’t boasting in the information I saw. They had a claimed weight for the complete bike, and it was 10 pounds less than a bike I’ve actually ridden. Again, a completely different frame design, but they did claim that the battery was also “significantly” lighter.
Unfortunately, these manufacturers REALLY exaggerate their weights. Size Small or medium, no tubes or sealant, no bottle cage, etc. It might not sound like much but that's 2-4#s right there alone. If you rode a L with proper tires, well there is your weight difference.
My feeling is that we were all a little too obsessed with how a bike pedals, it’s uphill performance, etc. downcountry created a category that freed...
My feeling is that we were all a little too obsessed with how a bike pedals, it’s uphill performance, etc. downcountry created a category that freed up trail bikes to be a bit more descent-focused. New stumpy and Bronson dropped a lot of anti-squat, and I think there is still a lot of AS on the table.
I think bike lurker is right about hta, sta, and reach. I also think DH bikes are borrowing a bit from enduro and getting longer and lower, but most riders don’t want or need that.
I personally want my enduro bike to be a DH bike that I can pedal. I don’t even care how “well” it pedals, I just want a regular drivetrain on it and a decent geo/dropper. I’m starting to see that idea come through in new bikes and it will be interesting to see how far we take it. There is a ton of space to explore!
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual...
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual crown compatibility, while trail bikes are creeping up on enduro bikes from the other side.
I can see the classic 160mm enduro bike going away and being replaced by 170-190mm descent focused bikes with dual crown compatibility like the Spire and Spindrift. Then riders with more mixed trails will gravitate to slightly shorter travel “all mountain” bikes like the Ripmo, Stumpy, and Bronson.
My position is that with the mid-power e-bikes that are coming out, those are going to replace 'Enduro' bikes.
Did you see the O'chain test that TeamRobot did? Pushing his Santa Cruz up that hill every time, while enjoying the improvement that the O-Chain brought.
Wouldn't the E-Slash fix both of those issues? Don't tell me that a mid-power e-bike is cheating. How is riding your e-bike uphill cheating, yet walking or shuttling is somehow considered real biking? Give me a break.
I think this new trend on longer chainstays will end up shortening reach a little, and even bringing back seat tube angles a little as well...
I think this new trend on longer chainstays will end up shortening reach a little, and even bringing back seat tube angles a little as well (keeping ETT while moving the bb forward a bit), in order to keep adecuate front-rear bias, at least from the most extreme numbers seen on some bikes. Head angles will normallize around 63.5°
BB height, taken as a static meassurement is of little interest, the shape of 160mm enduro bike and a 200mm dh bike is very different while riding, even if they share the same bb height while stationary
All this is a biassed reasoning from myself of course, as a flat pedal rider I tend to ride from the back of the bike more, so this makes sense for me at least
The bb part is not necessarily correct, as a lot of people run less sag on dh bike than they do on enduro bike to prevent it from feeling like complete pig. More travel is there only in reserve for those oh shit moments. So I would bet that dynamic ride height if you will is going to be very similar. Oh, pedal strikes are not nice regardless of the type of bike 🙂
Has anyone noticed that the Pivot DH prototype now has a full carbon rear triangle instead of lugs? Kerr and Walker new rears before Crankworx Whistler.
Has anyone noticed that the Pivot DH prototype now has a full carbon rear triangle instead of lugs? Kerr and Walker new rears before Crankworx Whistler.
A couple of weeks ago I saw the a frame with a carbon front triangle, it had the same massive pulley above the chainring as the prototype. Looked production ready to me
I think this new trend on longer chainstays will end up shortening reach a little, and even bringing back seat tube angles a little as well...
I think this new trend on longer chainstays will end up shortening reach a little, and even bringing back seat tube angles a little as well (keeping ETT while moving the bb forward a bit), in order to keep adecuate front-rear bias, at least from the most extreme numbers seen on some bikes. Head angles will normallize around 63.5°
BB height, taken as a static meassurement is of little interest, the shape of 160mm enduro bike and a 200mm dh bike is very different while riding, even if they share the same bb height while stationary
All this is a biassed reasoning from myself of course, as a flat pedal rider I tend to ride from the back of the bike more, so this makes sense for me at least
The bb part is not necessarily correct, as a lot of people run less sag on dh bike than they do on enduro bike to prevent...
The bb part is not necessarily correct, as a lot of people run less sag on dh bike than they do on enduro bike to prevent it from feeling like complete pig. More travel is there only in reserve for those oh shit moments. So I would bet that dynamic ride height if you will is going to be very similar. Oh, pedal strikes are not nice regardless of the type of bike 🙂
I get your point. I am not into dh bikes. People tend to ride with too soft suspension, and too little "dampening"🙂, they should keep some travel in reserve too, just in case.
About ebikes replacing enduro bikes... Does it make sense to pedal uphill a 25kg ebike instead of a 17kg regular mtb? Yes, kinda.
My position is that with the mid-power e-bikes that are coming out, those are going to replace 'Enduro' bikes.Did you see the O'chain test that TeamRobot...
My position is that with the mid-power e-bikes that are coming out, those are going to replace 'Enduro' bikes.
Did you see the O'chain test that TeamRobot did? Pushing his Santa Cruz up that hill every time, while enjoying the improvement that the O-Chain brought.
Wouldn't the E-Slash fix both of those issues? Don't tell me that a mid-power e-bike is cheating. How is riding your e-bike uphill cheating, yet walking or shuttling is somehow considered real biking? Give me a break.
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.
For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem to descend like crap because they’re so heavy. Good luck unweighting the bike to change lines. I always feel kinda forced to just smash through whatever is in front of me with no finesse.
My feeling is that we were all a little too obsessed with how a bike pedals, it’s uphill performance, etc. downcountry created a category that freed...
My feeling is that we were all a little too obsessed with how a bike pedals, it’s uphill performance, etc. downcountry created a category that freed up trail bikes to be a bit more descent-focused. New stumpy and Bronson dropped a lot of anti-squat, and I think there is still a lot of AS on the table.
I think bike lurker is right about hta, sta, and reach. I also think DH bikes are borrowing a bit from enduro and getting longer and lower, but most riders don’t want or need that.
I personally want my enduro bike to be a DH bike that I can pedal. I don’t even care how “well” it pedals, I just want a regular drivetrain on it and a decent geo/dropper. I’m starting to see that idea come through in new bikes and it will be interesting to see how far we take it. There is a ton of space to explore!
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual...
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual crown compatibility, while trail bikes are creeping up on enduro bikes from the other side.
I can see the classic 160mm enduro bike going away and being replaced by 170-190mm descent focused bikes with dual crown compatibility like the Spire and Spindrift. Then riders with more mixed trails will gravitate to slightly shorter travel “all mountain” bikes like the Ripmo, Stumpy, and Bronson.
My position is that with the mid-power e-bikes that are coming out, those are going to replace 'Enduro' bikes.Did you see the O'chain test that TeamRobot...
My position is that with the mid-power e-bikes that are coming out, those are going to replace 'Enduro' bikes.
Did you see the O'chain test that TeamRobot did? Pushing his Santa Cruz up that hill every time, while enjoying the improvement that the O-Chain brought.
Wouldn't the E-Slash fix both of those issues? Don't tell me that a mid-power e-bike is cheating. How is riding your e-bike uphill cheating, yet walking or shuttling is somehow considered real biking? Give me a break.
Because I would need a battery-powered motor to "ride" back uphill. I'm not against ebikes, I'll probably get one at some point because my trails are perfect for it, but you can't gloss over the undeniable difference between motor-powered (don't give me the "it's just an assist" argument) and regular bikes. They're different categories of mtb and, relative to not having a motor, having a motor is cheating if you're comparing it to experiences without one.
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual...
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual crown compatibility, while trail bikes are creeping up on enduro bikes from the other side.
I can see the classic 160mm enduro bike going away and being replaced by 170-190mm descent focused bikes with dual crown compatibility like the Spire and Spindrift. Then riders with more mixed trails will gravitate to slightly shorter travel “all mountain” bikes like the Ripmo, Stumpy, and Bronson.
My position is that with the mid-power e-bikes that are coming out, those are going to replace 'Enduro' bikes.Did you see the O'chain test that TeamRobot...
My position is that with the mid-power e-bikes that are coming out, those are going to replace 'Enduro' bikes.
Did you see the O'chain test that TeamRobot did? Pushing his Santa Cruz up that hill every time, while enjoying the improvement that the O-Chain brought.
Wouldn't the E-Slash fix both of those issues? Don't tell me that a mid-power e-bike is cheating. How is riding your e-bike uphill cheating, yet walking or shuttling is somehow considered real biking? Give me a break.
Because I would need a battery-powered motor to "ride" back uphill. I'm not against ebikes, I'll probably get one at some point because my trails...
Because I would need a battery-powered motor to "ride" back uphill. I'm not against ebikes, I'll probably get one at some point because my trails are perfect for it, but you can't gloss over the undeniable difference between motor-powered (don't give me the "it's just an assist" argument) and regular bikes. They're different categories of mtb and, relative to not having a motor, having a motor is cheating if you're comparing it to experiences without one.
I agree that's it's a 'motor-bike', by definition.
But ya know, pedaling uphill at 2 mph on a bike vs. 4 mph on a mid-power e-bike, ain't such a big deal in absolute terms. You are still crawling up that hill, nothing like a 55 hp KX450F.
As far as 'cheating', I ride by self 97% of the time when riding the e-bike, so not sure how I'm 'cheating' when there isn't even a race going on. I mean bikes are also 'cheating' hikers by your definition, but only if you are racing them.
But I certainly get the resistance to motorized assistance as I was there myself just 2.5 years ago. Don't know your trails, but I like the trails to be rocky and rough and although I did it for years, the idea of spending 80% of my ride time just slogging uphill for the 20% down, just seems like a colossal waste of time now. Still, even with the Relay I spend a majority of the time climbing, it just improves the ratio a lot.
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem...
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.
For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem to descend like crap because they’re so heavy. Good luck unweighting the bike to change lines. I always feel kinda forced to just smash through whatever is in front of me with no finesse.
You mean like, downhill bikes from 25 years ago? They were still a shit load of fun to me. 🤷♂️
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was a statement from a British bike journalist if I remember correctly. Was it mentioned that the new Enduro would be out this year? Any rumors on the Alu Stumpjumper? Maybe y’all can help a brother out.
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem...
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.
For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem to descend like crap because they’re so heavy. Good luck unweighting the bike to change lines. I always feel kinda forced to just smash through whatever is in front of me with no finesse.
You mean like, downhill bikes from 25 years ago? They were still a shit load of fun to me. 🤷♂️
I watch guys on e-bikes who are more nimble than I am on an XC bike. We can adapt to the extra weight. It’s really a question of: are you into the long quiet meditative climbs? I like them and I don’t need the ratio of time spent up:time spent down to change yet
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was...
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was a statement from a British bike journalist if I remember correctly. Was it mentioned that the new Enduro would be out this year? Any rumors on the Alu Stumpjumper? Maybe y’all can help a brother out.
Alu Stunty has been seen out in the wild under sponsored riders.....complete with holes for analogue gears!! It's all gone a bit quiet on the enduro front though.
Alu Stunty has been seen out in the wild under sponsored riders.....complete with holes for analogue gears!!It's all gone a bit quiet on the enduro front...
Alu Stunty has been seen out in the wild under sponsored riders.....complete with holes for analogue gears!! It's all gone a bit quiet on the enduro front though.
Nooooo. Please don't tell me that same BS nomenclature is now going to migrate over to cable operated components as well. I'm not sure I can take it.
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was...
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was a statement from a British bike journalist if I remember correctly. Was it mentioned that the new Enduro would be out this year? Any rumors on the Alu Stumpjumper? Maybe y’all can help a brother out.
I heard that the stumpy 15 alloy release date is sometime this Sep/Oct
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem...
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.
For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem to descend like crap because they’re so heavy. Good luck unweighting the bike to change lines. I always feel kinda forced to just smash through whatever is in front of me with no finesse.
You mean like, downhill bikes from 25 years ago? They were still a shit load of fun to me. 🤷♂️
I guess? 🤷
Personally I only ride up so I can ride down. If the down is less fun, it doesn’t really matter to me how much easier the climb is.
I’d be curious how light you could make an ebike without a large internal battery that just ran on a small external battery. (like the size of a range extender) If I could get like 2 of my local laps (1000-1200ft of vert) on a mini-pack and just swap them out at the truck, that would be kinda cool. Just keep a few batteries in the truck. For longer rides you could stick one in a fanny pack water bottle slot.
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem...
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.
For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem to descend like crap because they’re so heavy. Good luck unweighting the bike to change lines. I always feel kinda forced to just smash through whatever is in front of me with no finesse.
I guess? 🤷Personally I only ride up so I can ride down. If the down is less fun, it doesn’t really matter to me how much...
I guess? 🤷
Personally I only ride up so I can ride down. If the down is less fun, it doesn’t really matter to me how much easier the climb is.
I’d be curious how light you could make an ebike without a large internal battery that just ran on a small external battery. (like the size of a range extender) If I could get like 2 of my local laps (1000-1200ft of vert) on a mini-pack and just swap them out at the truck, that would be kinda cool. Just keep a few batteries in the truck. For longer rides you could stick one in a fanny pack water bottle slot.
every specialized sl bike can be ridden without the big battery, so 1.8kg less
I've watched some pinkbike commenters ride...... it's like watching kids on balance bikes. but they are more than happy to say X bike sucks on double blacks/prolines lol.
Anyone heard any rumours about when a new Trek Rail is due? About to pick up a runout deal on a 9.9 but wondering how long until I will feel bad about not waiting for the new model.
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was...
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was a statement from a British bike journalist if I remember correctly. Was it mentioned that the new Enduro would be out this year? Any rumors on the Alu Stumpjumper? Maybe y’all can help a brother out.
we can help you by saving you from getting either the stumpy alloy or the enduro
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was...
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was a statement from a British bike journalist if I remember correctly. Was it mentioned that the new Enduro would be out this year? Any rumors on the Alu Stumpjumper? Maybe y’all can help a brother out.
There was a strong rumor going around recently that the Enduro was going to get an UDH update soon, like real soon. But crickets so far. I dont think you'll be seeing a new Enduro design till mid next year.
Anyone heard any rumours about when a new Trek Rail is due? About to pick up a runout deal on a 9.9 but wondering how long...
Anyone heard any rumours about when a new Trek Rail is due? About to pick up a runout deal on a 9.9 but wondering how long until I will feel bad about not waiting for the new model.
Word is after Bosch's announcement of the gen5 motor, around Oct 1st (along with many other new bikes).
Anyone heard any rumours about when a new Trek Rail is due? About to pick up a runout deal on a 9.9 but wondering how long...
Anyone heard any rumours about when a new Trek Rail is due? About to pick up a runout deal on a 9.9 but wondering how long until I will feel bad about not waiting for the new model.
I guess? 🤷Personally I only ride up so I can ride down. If the down is less fun, it doesn’t really matter to me how much...
I guess? 🤷
Personally I only ride up so I can ride down. If the down is less fun, it doesn’t really matter to me how much easier the climb is.
I’d be curious how light you could make an ebike without a large internal battery that just ran on a small external battery. (like the size of a range extender) If I could get like 2 of my local laps (1000-1200ft of vert) on a mini-pack and just swap them out at the truck, that would be kinda cool. Just keep a few batteries in the truck. For longer rides you could stick one in a fanny pack water bottle slot.
Make your own bike park by installing a zip line from the top to the bottom, and send your battery down by itself every time you finish the climb. Shred down and pick up your battery again at the bottom.
Make your own bike park by installing a zip line from the top to the bottom, and send your battery down by itself every time you...
Make your own bike park by installing a zip line from the top to the bottom, and send your battery down by itself every time you finish the climb. Shred down and pick up your battery again at the bottom.
Better idea: you pay me to ride down with you, I put the battery in my backpack (I'm apparently one of dozens who still like their backpack), then tow me back up!
If you beat me to the bottom by more than 5% of your run's time, you get the next three runs free!!
But actually removable batteries and locked charging banks could make an e-bike park (shudder) a real thing. Bring two batteries, one charges while you ride the other on turbo, then swap to the one that was charging and repeat. Body will probably give out before needing another swap so maybe just having lockers with your spare battery in it...
I think the “enduro” bike as we know it is dying. We keep seeing enduro bikes creeping towards DH bike territory with longer travel and dual crown compatibility, while trail bikes are creeping up on enduro bikes from the other side.
I can see the classic 160mm enduro bike going away and being replaced by 170-190mm descent focused bikes with dual crown compatibility like the Spire and Spindrift. Then riders with more mixed trails will gravitate to slightly shorter travel “all mountain” bikes like the Ripmo, Stumpy, and Bronson.
I’m with you. Progressive geo has really opened the doors to a re-categorization of bikes and how we can ride them. Bikes are fun enough now that we don’t even have to race them. The rise of the winch-and-plummet approach to riding (which has been more fun with these more capable stable bikes) means that less and less of us care about uphill performance.
Neo-progressive bikes will move back in some ways to pre-progressive traits, but balanced out with features that speak to the ways that the riding itself is changing. It’s a cycle of riding changing and bikes adapting, and the new bikes leading to new ways of riding, starting the process over again.
The cycle will stall on the big brands side until they can catch up with pre-Covid numbers and reassess where the market is and will go. Smaller core brands are going to keep killing it by making the bikes they (and we) want to ride.
To be fair, they weren’t boasting in the information I saw. They had a claimed weight for the complete bike, and it was 10 pounds less than a bike I’ve actually ridden. Again, a completely different frame design, but they did claim that the battery was also “significantly” lighter.
Unfortunately, these manufacturers REALLY exaggerate their weights. Size Small or medium, no tubes or sealant, no bottle cage, etc. It might not sound like much but that's 2-4#s right there alone. If you rode a L with proper tires, well there is your weight difference.
My position is that with the mid-power e-bikes that are coming out, those are going to replace 'Enduro' bikes.
Did you see the O'chain test that TeamRobot did? Pushing his Santa Cruz up that hill every time, while enjoying the improvement that the O-Chain brought.
Wouldn't the E-Slash fix both of those issues? Don't tell me that a mid-power e-bike is cheating. How is riding your e-bike uphill cheating, yet walking or shuttling is somehow considered real biking? Give me a break.
The bb part is not necessarily correct, as a lot of people run less sag on dh bike than they do on enduro bike to prevent it from feeling like complete pig. More travel is there only in reserve for those oh shit moments. So I would bet that dynamic ride height if you will is going to be very similar. Oh, pedal strikes are not nice regardless of the type of bike 🙂
A couple of weeks ago I saw the a frame with a carbon front triangle, it had the same massive pulley above the chainring as the prototype. Looked production ready to me
I get your point. I am not into dh bikes. People tend to ride with too soft suspension, and too little "dampening"🙂, they should keep some travel in reserve too, just in case.
About ebikes replacing enduro bikes... Does it make sense to pedal uphill a 25kg ebike instead of a 17kg regular mtb? Yes, kinda.
I don’t know, a Slash+ is like 46lb.
For me personally, the self shuttle aspect of ebikes is completely ruined by the fact that they all seem to descend like crap because they’re so heavy. Good luck unweighting the bike to change lines. I always feel kinda forced to just smash through whatever is in front of me with no finesse.
Because I would need a battery-powered motor to "ride" back uphill. I'm not against ebikes, I'll probably get one at some point because my trails are perfect for it, but you can't gloss over the undeniable difference between motor-powered (don't give me the "it's just an assist" argument) and regular bikes. They're different categories of mtb and, relative to not having a motor, having a motor is cheating if you're comparing it to experiences without one.
I agree that's it's a 'motor-bike', by definition.
But ya know, pedaling uphill at 2 mph on a bike vs. 4 mph on a mid-power e-bike, ain't such a big deal in absolute terms. You are still crawling up that hill, nothing like a 55 hp KX450F.
As far as 'cheating', I ride by self 97% of the time when riding the e-bike, so not sure how I'm 'cheating' when there isn't even a race going on. I mean bikes are also 'cheating' hikers by your definition, but only if you are racing them.
But I certainly get the resistance to motorized assistance as I was there myself just 2.5 years ago. Don't know your trails, but I like the trails to be rocky and rough and although I did it for years, the idea of spending 80% of my ride time just slogging uphill for the 20% down, just seems like a colossal waste of time now. Still, even with the Relay I spend a majority of the time climbing, it just improves the ratio a lot.
You mean like, downhill bikes from 25 years ago? They were still a shit load of fun to me. 🤷♂️
Hey guys, I can’t find the post anymore, it’s been a few months at this point, someone mentioned specialized’s releases for this year - it was a statement from a British bike journalist if I remember correctly. Was it mentioned that the new Enduro would be out this year? Any rumors on the Alu Stumpjumper? Maybe y’all can help a brother out.
I watch guys on e-bikes who are more nimble than I am on an XC bike. We can adapt to the extra weight. It’s really a question of: are you into the long quiet meditative climbs? I like them and I don’t need the ratio of time spent up:time spent down to change yet
Alu Stunty has been seen out in the wild under sponsored riders.....complete with holes for analogue gears!!
It's all gone a bit quiet on the enduro front though.
Nooooo. Please don't tell me that same BS nomenclature is now going to migrate over to cable operated components as well. I'm not sure I can take it.
I heard that the stumpy 15 alloy release date is sometime this Sep/Oct
I guess? 🤷
Personally I only ride up so I can ride down. If the down is less fun, it doesn’t really matter to me how much easier the climb is.
I’d be curious how light you could make an ebike without a large internal battery that just ran on a small external battery. (like the size of a range extender) If I could get like 2 of my local laps (1000-1200ft of vert) on a mini-pack and just swap them out at the truck, that would be kinda cool. Just keep a few batteries in the truck. For longer rides you could stick one in a fanny pack water bottle slot.
I really need to see you guys ride.
every specialized sl bike can be ridden without the big battery, so 1.8kg less
Yeah, but that still has all the frame structure and support for the big battery. I meant designed from scratch that way.
I've watched some pinkbike commenters ride...... it's like watching kids on balance bikes.
but they are more than happy to say X bike sucks on double blacks/prolines lol.
Anyone heard any rumours about when a new Trek Rail is due? About to pick up a runout deal on a 9.9 but wondering how long until I will feel bad about not waiting for the new model.
we can help you by saving you from getting either the stumpy alloy or the enduro
There was a strong rumor going around recently that the Enduro was going to get an UDH update soon, like real soon. But crickets so far. I dont think you'll be seeing a new Enduro design till mid next year.
Word is after Bosch's announcement of the gen5 motor, around Oct 1st (along with many other new bikes).
The Bosch announcement is October 1st? Or is that the Trek Rail release date?
Thanks
Make your own bike park by installing a zip line from the top to the bottom, and send your battery down by itself every time you finish the climb. Shred down and pick up your battery again at the bottom.
Better idea: you pay me to ride down with you, I put the battery in my backpack (I'm apparently one of dozens who still like their backpack), then tow me back up!
If you beat me to the bottom by more than 5% of your run's time, you get the next three runs free!!
But actually removable batteries and locked charging banks could make an e-bike park (shudder) a real thing. Bring two batteries, one charges while you ride the other on turbo, then swap to the one that was charging and repeat. Body will probably give out before needing another swap so maybe just having lockers with your spare battery in it...
according to local trek dealer the rail will be part of the Bosch announcement.
Still frustrating the really good gen 4 rail only got released as carbon and higher end spec's.
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