Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really doesn't do much and doesn't add enough compression, and something along the lines of using the new Boxxer piston, which flows more oil. That part I could be remembering incorrectly though
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really...
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really doesn't do much and doesn't add enough compression, and something along the lines of using the new Boxxer piston, which flows more oil. That part I could be remembering incorrectly though
the current charger 3 doesn't do much at all, full closed or open lsc or hsc are barely noticeable, on the Grip 2 it has a more defined difference
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
Yeah I noticed the split pivot too, definitely something more going on here… I suspect a mid-high pivot?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put a slight spin on the same design…
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really...
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really doesn't do much and doesn't add enough compression, and something along the lines of using the new Boxxer piston, which flows more oil. That part I could be remembering incorrectly though
I’m sure the new ZEB will have a version of the new boxxer air spring as well
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice...
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
I love gold the look of it the taste of it the smell of it the texture. I love gold so much that I even lost my genitalia in an unfortunate schmelting accident.
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice...
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
Does the relatively small offset between the pivot and the axle really have that much of an impact? A Gen5 Trek Slash's anti-squat curve looks an awful lot like many contemporary Horst frames, after all.
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put...
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put a slight spin on the same design…
If the brake mount is on the chainstay it’s likely a very similar design to what I drew before. The forbidden supernought is arguably very similar also. It’s just a Horst link instead of a split pivot.
The split pivot version keeping a true single pivot axle path.
If the brake is mounted to the seatstay. It’s possibly a 6 bar as Ortogonal mentioned. Something like this-ish. Purple link floating somewhere between light blue and yellow.
Does the relatively small offset between the pivot and the axle really have that much of an impact? A Gen5 Trek Slash's anti-squat curve looks an...
Does the relatively small offset between the pivot and the axle really have that much of an impact? A Gen5 Trek Slash's anti-squat curve looks an awful lot like many contemporary Horst frames, after all.
Yes. If it's a single pivot, you are very limited as to where you put the main pivot to achieve the desired antisquat and thus what the characteristic through the travel will be. With a virtual pivot point (Horst link included) you have a lot more freedom where you put the pivots and what the characteristics are. I mean compared to a single pivot, there is still an envelope that you have to work in.
Just about to pull the trigger on a 2023 turbo levo. Before I, do any more rumblings of a gen 4 coming very soon? Or other full fat from specialized? I see they just released the ltd ohlins version a week or so ago.
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put...
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put a slight spin on the same design…
If the brake mount is on the chainstay it’s likely a very similar design to what I drew before. The forbidden supernought is arguably very similar...
If the brake mount is on the chainstay it’s likely a very similar design to what I drew before. The forbidden supernought is arguably very similar also. It’s just a Horst link instead of a split pivot.
The split pivot version keeping a true single pivot axle path.
If the brake is mounted to the seatstay. It’s possibly a 6 bar as Ortogonal mentioned. Something like this-ish. Purple link floating somewhere between light blue and yellow.
Without a closer look I'm not sure if the lower link is concentric to the BB or not, but I think you're probably right with the six-bar. Plus the split pivot allows you (in theory) to completely change the anti-rise by changing the link the brake is mounted to, while keeping everything else the the same kinematics-wise.
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put...
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put a slight spin on the same design…
If the brake mount is on the chainstay it’s likely a very similar design to what I drew before. The forbidden supernought is arguably very similar...
If the brake mount is on the chainstay it’s likely a very similar design to what I drew before. The forbidden supernought is arguably very similar also. It’s just a Horst link instead of a split pivot.
The split pivot version keeping a true single pivot axle path.
If the brake is mounted to the seatstay. It’s possibly a 6 bar as Ortogonal mentioned. Something like this-ish. Purple link floating somewhere between light blue and yellow.
Without a closer look I'm not sure if the lower link is concentric to the BB or not, but I think you're probably right with the...
Without a closer look I'm not sure if the lower link is concentric to the BB or not, but I think you're probably right with the six-bar. Plus the split pivot allows you (in theory) to completely change the anti-rise by changing the link the brake is mounted to, while keeping everything else the the same kinematics-wise.
With how bulky the bb area looks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a concentric pivot there. And not a lot of room with the rear tire. Hopefully someone can snap a picture showing the rear brake mount at some point.
I haven’t had the opportunity to draw up a 6 bar on linkage. Had a hard time getting it to work when the supreme came out, haven’t tried again since then. So not sure how much the anti rise would change going from chainstay to seatstay in that situation.
The single pivot, Wilson-esque design is pretty obvious that it would go on the chainstay, otherwise your anti-rise goes through the roof.
If the brake mount is on the chainstay it’s likely a very similar design to what I drew before. The forbidden supernought is arguably very similar...
If the brake mount is on the chainstay it’s likely a very similar design to what I drew before. The forbidden supernought is arguably very similar also. It’s just a Horst link instead of a split pivot.
The split pivot version keeping a true single pivot axle path.
If the brake is mounted to the seatstay. It’s possibly a 6 bar as Ortogonal mentioned. Something like this-ish. Purple link floating somewhere between light blue and yellow.
Without a closer look I'm not sure if the lower link is concentric to the BB or not, but I think you're probably right with the...
Without a closer look I'm not sure if the lower link is concentric to the BB or not, but I think you're probably right with the six-bar. Plus the split pivot allows you (in theory) to completely change the anti-rise by changing the link the brake is mounted to, while keeping everything else the the same kinematics-wise.
With how bulky the bb area looks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a concentric pivot there. And not a lot of room with the rear...
With how bulky the bb area looks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a concentric pivot there. And not a lot of room with the rear tire. Hopefully someone can snap a picture showing the rear brake mount at some point.
I haven’t had the opportunity to draw up a 6 bar on linkage. Had a hard time getting it to work when the supreme came out, haven’t tried again since then. So not sure how much the anti rise would change going from chainstay to seatstay in that situation.
The single pivot, Wilson-esque design is pretty obvious that it would go on the chainstay, otherwise your anti-rise goes through the roof.
Gut feeling, but I would say that is very much dependant on the geometry of the two short links and the dogbone as they define the movement of the seatstay and chainstay. And that will of course define how much antirise you will have depending on which you mount the brake to.
FWIW, commencal did move the pivot on the Supreme V5 mid development, it used to be on the seatstay and is on the chainstay for the production model. That means the brake is mounted, effectively, to the other link (was on the chainstay, is now on the seatstay).
The front didn't fall off this one so must be from a different batch than BK's?
The front didn't fall off this one so must be from a different batch than BK's?
Must be a different version? I think Dane has had his for a while, and yet Ryan Griffiths just got one recently im pretty sure, but i thought i saw photos of him riding on the old one at this event
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really...
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really doesn't do much and doesn't add enough compression, and something along the lines of using the new Boxxer piston, which flows more oil. That part I could be remembering incorrectly though
From 'another' site. Max's Cannondale Dave has a revised looking Bomber DJ .... new air cap and Damper adjuster. Very different decals and Gloss CSU and Lowers. Current bomber DJ's are on a mega sale .... Makes me think Marzocchi is getting more hand-me-down tech from Fox, since it's seems like Fox is refreshing their damper/(forks?) range ....
Maybe Marzocchi will be getting a refresh across the board around the same time and maybe the Marzocchi Super Z (38mm) will be released at the same time.
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really doesn't do much and doesn't add enough compression, and something along the lines of using the new Boxxer piston, which flows more oil. That part I could be remembering incorrectly though
the current charger 3 doesn't do much at all, full closed or open lsc or hsc are barely noticeable, on the Grip 2 it has a more defined difference
Yeah I noticed the split pivot too, definitely something more going on here… I suspect a mid-high pivot?
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put a slight spin on the same design…
I’m sure the new ZEB will have a version of the new boxxer air spring as well
russian edition
Antirise wise yes, antisquat wise no.
I love gold the look of it the taste of it the smell of it the texture. I love gold so much that I even lost my genitalia in an unfortunate schmelting accident.
Given how high the seat stays seem to be connected to the front triangle on the new Canyon, I wouldn't be surprised if it is a 6 bars design.
Does the relatively small offset between the pivot and the axle really have that much of an impact? A Gen5 Trek Slash's anti-squat curve looks an awful lot like many contemporary Horst frames, after all.
Lukasick also has a black upper legs, previously there was Kashima
If the brake mount is on the seatstay, that was the other thought as to what might be going on.
About to pull the trigger on a RM Element. Worth waiting for the Norco XC bike?
The split pivot version keeping a true single pivot axle path.
If the brake is mounted to the seatstay. It’s possibly a 6 bar as Ortogonal mentioned. Something like this-ish. Purple link floating somewhere between light blue and yellow.
Yes. If it's a single pivot, you are very limited as to where you put the main pivot to achieve the desired antisquat and thus what the characteristic through the travel will be. With a virtual pivot point (Horst link included) you have a lot more freedom where you put the pivots and what the characteristics are. I mean compared to a single pivot, there is still an envelope that you have to work in.
not sure, could just be really dark lighting?
Just about to pull the trigger on a 2023 turbo levo. Before I, do any more rumblings of a gen 4 coming very soon? Or other full fat from specialized? I see they just released the ltd ohlins version a week or so ago.
seeing as your in NZ, id be getting the new Merida ebike before the turbo Levo. - much cheaper aswell
Without a closer look I'm not sure if the lower link is concentric to the BB or not, but I think you're probably right with the six-bar. Plus the split pivot allows you (in theory) to completely change the anti-rise by changing the link the brake is mounted to, while keeping everything else the the same kinematics-wise.
With how bulky the bb area looks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a concentric pivot there. And not a lot of room with the rear tire. Hopefully someone can snap a picture showing the rear brake mount at some point.
I haven’t had the opportunity to draw up a 6 bar on linkage. Had a hard time getting it to work when the supreme came out, haven’t tried again since then. So not sure how much the anti rise would change going from chainstay to seatstay in that situation.
The single pivot, Wilson-esque design is pretty obvious that it would go on the chainstay, otherwise your anti-rise goes through the roof.
Haven't seen it in the flesh, but there is one coming.
Gut feeling, but I would say that is very much dependant on the geometry of the two short links and the dogbone as they define the movement of the seatstay and chainstay. And that will of course define how much antirise you will have depending on which you mount the brake to.
FWIW, commencal did move the pivot on the Supreme V5 mid development, it used to be on the seatstay and is on the chainstay for the production model. That means the brake is mounted, effectively, to the other link (was on the chainstay, is now on the seatstay).
The front didn't fall off this one so must be from a different batch than BK's?
Must be a different version? I think Dane has had his for a while, and yet Ryan Griffiths just got one recently im pretty sure, but i thought i saw photos of him riding on the old one at this event
Earlier there was another photo and you could see the black top perfectly, unfortunately I don't have a screenshot
DAMPER
It only says riders can’t wear skin suits and nothing about bikes. Bend the rules baby and don’t give the UCI any ideas! 😂
From 'another' site. Max's Cannondale Dave has a revised looking Bomber DJ .... new air cap and Damper adjuster. Very different decals and Gloss CSU and Lowers. Current bomber DJ's are on a mega sale .... Makes me think Marzocchi is getting more hand-me-down tech from Fox, since it's seems like Fox is refreshing their damper/(forks?) range ....
Maybe Marzocchi will be getting a refresh across the board around the same time and maybe the Marzocchi Super Z (38mm) will be released at the same time.
If dealers are preparing websites that means it's close...
Recently got approved to be a Lewis brakes dealer. Will have samples coming in for testing and tear downs soon.
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