here's a real pic of luca's canyon in a tuxedo
a full-body bike tuxedo could be rad for mechanics. wouldn't have to clean anything. #bringBackForkBoots
here's a real pic of luca's canyon in a tuxedo
a full-body bike tuxedo could be rad for mechanics. wouldn't have to clean anything. #bringBackForkBoots
Perhaps not ideal for windy days (or maybe I've just been riding deep section road rims too much lately).
here's a real pic of luca's canyon in a tuxedo
a full-body bike tuxedo could be rad for mechanics. wouldn't have to clean anything. #bringBackForkBoots
here's a real pic of luca's canyon in a tuxedo
a full-body bike tuxedo could be rad for mechanics. wouldn't have to clean anything. #bringBackForkBoots
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to...
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for some E-Clout, damn rights they'll take a photo and put it online. At least the diaper builds hype without showing what the product is.
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to...
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for...
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for some E-Clout, damn rights they'll take a photo and put it online. At least the diaper builds hype without showing what the product is.
IDK, I think us nerds overestimate the average rider's capacity to care. I used to test a bit and rode uncovered bikes with no graphics - nobody ever asked me about the bikes, even riders on the same brand.
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
Bunkers for cars? I know this is a mtb thread but you got a wiki link for this car testing bunker? Sounds cool.
sorry, i was being sarcastic about having a bike tuxedo on full-time
Sarcastic or not, you should file a patent application before the big boys do.
On the subject of surreptitious automotive testing, I remember reading stories of some European brands building test mules with other manufacturers' grilles to throw off (or just as likely attract the attention of) the motoring press, until they were politely asked by the trademark owners to knock it off. Has that level of chicanery been seen in the MTB world?
Funny, I was thinking the same thing- bike washing is gonna be way easier. It’s like a nitrile glove for your DH bike!
I don’t know if it’s so prevalent these days but back in the late 90’s early 00’s mechanics would cover the bars and discs and spray the whole bike with teflon lube something like GT85.
These bikes in the UK would come down cleaner than everyone else and what little mud was on them would wash off super easy.
Neoprene would hold onto water in a wet race making it heavier so prob.not the best idea
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to...
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for...
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for some E-Clout, damn rights they'll take a photo and put it online. At least the diaper builds hype without showing what the product is.
Those of us here geeking out over this shit are 1% of bike geeks. The diaper does nothing to stop us from digging it up and nerding out over it.
The same dude who almost ran you over on the way to the bike park because he had his head buried in his phone is not going to notice that there is a different idler on someone else's bike. Most of the population walks around blissfully unaware of their surroundings.
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
This is a very interesting angle of the bike because it shows them using the Trek ABP or Weigle’s split pivot, where the chainstay and seatstay join at the rear axle.
This design makes the rear suspension very feel feeling under braking. Low Anti rise.
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice...
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
Split Pivot and Horst are almost identical, kinematically. I doubt that's a major reason for switching between the two.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing- bike washing is gonna be way easier. It’s like a nitrile glove for your DH bike!
Yes there is.
Perhaps not ideal for windy days (or maybe I've just been riding deep section road rims too much lately).
It can’t be positive for the suspension movement either.
No Mavens for Luca by the looks of it
probably more aero too, anyone remember the aero trek session?
sorry, i was being sarcastic about having a bike tuxedo on full-time
The popularity of bike diapers the past few seasons just cracks me up. How soon before the UCI bans them?
The force required to compress the suspension is magnitudes higher than the diesel required to bunch the fabric up. It wouldn't make any difference.
They're definitely more aero though, wonder if they get banned on those grounds.
Kudos to Pivot then for being the only brand to not put a diaper on their protos.
They glued theirs on.
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
I'm gonna cover all of our Sea Otter booth display bikes in black canvas with "DO NOT POST TO VITAL" graphics.
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for some E-Clout, damn rights they'll take a photo and put it online. At least the diaper builds hype without showing what the product is.
IDK, I think us nerds overestimate the average rider's capacity to care. I used to test a bit and rode uncovered bikes with no graphics - nobody ever asked me about the bikes, even riders on the same brand.
Bunkers for cars? I know this is a mtb thread but you got a wiki link for this car testing bunker? Sounds cool.
This isn't that, but VW intentionally built a test track in a no fly zone for pretty much the same reason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehra-Lessien
Sarcastic or not, you should file a patent application before the big boys do.
On the subject of surreptitious automotive testing, I remember reading stories of some European brands building test mules with other manufacturers' grilles to throw off (or just as likely attract the attention of) the motoring press, until they were politely asked by the trademark owners to knock it off. Has that level of chicanery been seen in the MTB world?
I don’t know if it’s so prevalent these days but back in the late 90’s early 00’s mechanics would cover the bars and discs and spray the whole bike with teflon lube something like GT85.
These bikes in the UK would come down cleaner than everyone else and what little mud was on them would wash off super easy.
Neoprene would hold onto water in a wet race making it heavier so prob.not the best idea
Those of us here geeking out over this shit are 1% of bike geeks. The diaper does nothing to stop us from digging it up and nerding out over it.
The same dude who almost ran you over on the way to the bike park because he had his head buried in his phone is not going to notice that there is a different idler on someone else's bike. Most of the population walks around blissfully unaware of their surroundings.
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
Maybe they're just covering up a wate bottle cage. That's pretty cutting edge on a DH bike.
This is a very interesting angle of the bike because it shows them using the Trek ABP or Weigle’s split pivot, where the chainstay and seatstay join at the rear axle.
This design makes the rear suspension very feel feeling under braking. Low Anti rise.
some gold lowers from fox.
lmao... you had one job!
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
Split Pivot and Horst are almost identical, kinematically. I doubt that's a major reason for switching between the two.
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