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10/31/2021 1:23pm
Barel was saying they would be keeping the enduro team as is in moi moi tv vid after scotland
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He was a beaut. He could will that v10 to do anything
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Sebastian Fini and Mariske Strauss will leave Bart Brentjens' team after this season no news about which teams they'll sign in 2022 KMC-Orbea has spots and...
Sebastian Fini and Mariske Strauss will leave Bart Brentjens' team after this season
no news about which teams they'll sign in 2022

KMC-Orbea has spots and cash free after Vader and Koretzky will ride road teams in 2022
koretzky still has a year on his contract with kmc-orbea (through end of 2022). he did sign with a road team, and last I was aware there hasn't been any resolution on that conflict (at least nothing i can find publicly at the moment).
11/1/2021 2:33pm
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koretzky still has a year on his contract with kmc-orbea (through end of 2022). he did sign with a road team, and last I was aware...
koretzky still has a year on his contract with kmc-orbea (through end of 2022). he did sign with a road team, and last I was aware there hasn't been any resolution on that conflict (at least nothing i can find publicly at the moment).
yes, there was a problem, and KMC-Orbea immediately sent out a tweet about Koretzky still having the 2022 contract with them.

I think it's being dealt with lawyers now?

Mariske Strauss has no contract for 2022 yet, she hasn't an offer from any team yet
11/1/2021 11:03pm
Jackson Goldstone is signed with Syndicate. Don’t say source??? You never going to have somebody saying anything if you have to give the source.
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Jackson Goldstone is signed with Syndicate. Don’t say source??? You never going to have somebody saying anything if you have to give the source.
Who needs sources? This is for rumors, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, buzz, scandal, fuss, intimate intelligence, lowdowns, juicy morsels and tittle tattle. Sources just ruin the fun. We have two more months before good byes and welcomes start so fill'r up with all the hoaxs, fabrications, swindles, spoofs and fibs you can concoct.

Jackson to SC would be interesting. Young blood on the team with Greg and Laurie to guide him into the big leagues.
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Jackson Goldstone is signed with Syndicate. Don’t say source??? You never going to have somebody saying anything if you have to give the source.
metadave wrote:
Who needs sources? This is for rumors, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, buzz, scandal, fuss, intimate intelligence, lowdowns, juicy morsels and tittle tattle. Sources just ruin the fun...
Who needs sources? This is for rumors, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, buzz, scandal, fuss, intimate intelligence, lowdowns, juicy morsels and tittle tattle. Sources just ruin the fun. We have two more months before good byes and welcomes start so fill'r up with all the hoaxs, fabrications, swindles, spoofs and fibs you can concoct.

Jackson to SC would be interesting. Young blood on the team with Greg and Laurie to guide him into the big leagues.
He was a reasonably well known name when he went to the WC due to his videos and riding with big names folks in BC. But I think everyone was still surprised when he went to Miranda given they are a relatively small and less known team, other than the direct connection to Trek which made sense. I can imagine Trek will want to keep him but him going to the factory team might be a stretch given who they have on that team now and having just brought on Loris. I could see the Trek/Rockshox team with Vali possibly? Given the year he just had you can bet most/all the big programs are putting out feelers for that next contract.
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11/2/2021 10:51am Edited Date/Time 11/2/2021 7:56pm
Jackson Goldstone is signed with Syndicate. Don’t say source??? You never going to have somebody saying anything if you have to give the source.
metadave wrote:
Who needs sources? This is for rumors, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, buzz, scandal, fuss, intimate intelligence, lowdowns, juicy morsels and tittle tattle. Sources just ruin the fun...
Who needs sources? This is for rumors, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, buzz, scandal, fuss, intimate intelligence, lowdowns, juicy morsels and tittle tattle. Sources just ruin the fun. We have two more months before good byes and welcomes start so fill'r up with all the hoaxs, fabrications, swindles, spoofs and fibs you can concoct.

Jackson to SC would be interesting. Young blood on the team with Greg and Laurie to guide him into the big leagues.
iwil815 wrote:
He was a reasonably well known name when he went to the WC due to his videos and riding with big names folks in BC. But...
He was a reasonably well known name when he went to the WC due to his videos and riding with big names folks in BC. But I think everyone was still surprised when he went to Miranda given they are a relatively small and less known team, other than the direct connection to Trek which made sense. I can imagine Trek will want to keep him but him going to the factory team might be a stretch given who they have on that team now and having just brought on Loris. I could see the Trek/Rockshox team with Vali possibly? Given the year he just had you can bet most/all the big programs are putting out feelers for that next contract.
He may have went that route as it would allow him to ride Trek but also stay on Fox suspension. If he is tightly aligned with Fox then moving to Syndicate makes a lot of sense. They also have a history of being flexible with letting riders choose whatever clothing/gear sponsors they want to so that makes sense too.

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11/2/2021 11:14am
metadave wrote:
Who needs sources? This is for rumors, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, buzz, scandal, fuss, intimate intelligence, lowdowns, juicy morsels and tittle tattle. Sources just ruin the fun...
Who needs sources? This is for rumors, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, buzz, scandal, fuss, intimate intelligence, lowdowns, juicy morsels and tittle tattle. Sources just ruin the fun. We have two more months before good byes and welcomes start so fill'r up with all the hoaxs, fabrications, swindles, spoofs and fibs you can concoct.

Jackson to SC would be interesting. Young blood on the team with Greg and Laurie to guide him into the big leagues.
Color me skeptical on the Laurie to Syndicate rumor..
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11/2/2021 11:55am
metadave wrote:
Who needs sources? This is for rumors, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, buzz, scandal, fuss, intimate intelligence, lowdowns, juicy morsels and tittle tattle. Sources just ruin the fun...
Who needs sources? This is for rumors, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, buzz, scandal, fuss, intimate intelligence, lowdowns, juicy morsels and tittle tattle. Sources just ruin the fun. We have two more months before good byes and welcomes start so fill'r up with all the hoaxs, fabrications, swindles, spoofs and fibs you can concoct.

Jackson to SC would be interesting. Young blood on the team with Greg and Laurie to guide him into the big leagues.
iwil815 wrote:
He was a reasonably well known name when he went to the WC due to his videos and riding with big names folks in BC. But...
He was a reasonably well known name when he went to the WC due to his videos and riding with big names folks in BC. But I think everyone was still surprised when he went to Miranda given they are a relatively small and less known team, other than the direct connection to Trek which made sense. I can imagine Trek will want to keep him but him going to the factory team might be a stretch given who they have on that team now and having just brought on Loris. I could see the Trek/Rockshox team with Vali possibly? Given the year he just had you can bet most/all the big programs are putting out feelers for that next contract.
He may have went that route as it would allow him to ride Trek but also stay on Fox suspension. If he is tightly aligned with...
He may have went that route as it would allow him to ride Trek but also stay on Fox suspension. If he is tightly aligned with Fox then moving to Syndicate makes a lot of sense. They also have a history of being flexible with letting riders choose whatever clothing/gear sponsors they want to so that makes sense too.

He said on a podcast that he picked Miranda because he could stay with the brands he already had. Rumours out there that Trek didn’t want him as his demands where to big, same with Redbull. I heard it’s his dad. Hope it goes well, great little rider.
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11/2/2021 12:38pm
He said on a podcast that he picked Miranda because he could stay with the brands he already had. Rumours out there that Trek didn’t want...
He said on a podcast that he picked Miranda because he could stay with the brands he already had. Rumours out there that Trek didn’t want him as his demands where to big, same with Redbull. I heard it’s his dad. Hope it goes well, great little rider.
Thats true, Trek is on sram, while jackson has been riding fox forever if i'm not mistaken.... It has just occurred to me, has fox ever sacked any team? Because sram surely has - Commencal was the recent one, and don't forget that is probably the most dominant team on circuit when all three riders are not injured!
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11/2/2021 2:23pm
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks to much’

Loris completely changed his set up…. And won on it.
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11/2/2021 2:32pm
sharpy212 wrote:
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks...
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks to much’

Loris completely changed his set up…. And won on it.
I feel like that can go either way and depends on each specific rider. How picky is the rider about set up? Do they value suspension or geometry more? What is their weight in the industry?
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Jackson is a young guy, great talent and years ahead of him, and riders like him in a similar position aren’t just going to stick with a certain brand because that’s what they’ve been riding the previous seasons.

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Johnny Waddell was the first Santa Cruz Syndicate rider with a Red Bull helmet if I recall correctly. And if you don't know who he is, google "Kranked 5" and learn yourself.
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11/2/2021 4:35pm
Millie Johnset posted on her story a picture of crates on crates of Red Bull, maybe something, maybe nothing, but she has been stepping it up recently, and I could see her moving into a similar role as Kade and Kaos, as a free racer type. She was throwing some pretty big suis on a jump setup, this is pure speculation. Smile
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sharpy212 wrote:
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks...
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks to much’

Loris completely changed his set up…. And won on it.
Conversely, Jack Moir had arguably one of his worst seasons when Intense went to fox. Or maybe it was the Kenda "tyres"

These guys are so in tune with their setup, any deviation (be it good or bad) can have an impact.
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11/2/2021 9:57pm
sharpy212 wrote:
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks...
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks to much’

Loris completely changed his set up…. And won on it.
brash wrote:
Conversely, Jack Moir had arguably one of his worst seasons when Intense went to fox. Or maybe it was the Kenda "tyres" These guys are so...
Conversely, Jack Moir had arguably one of his worst seasons when Intense went to fox. Or maybe it was the Kenda "tyres"

These guys are so in tune with their setup, any deviation (be it good or bad) can have an impact.
This is a long, jumbled thought but, are they actually running Kenda tires at races? Or black out other brand tires like other teams? I don't think anyone on that team has been where they were before moving to Kenda, although I think Jack had Moir going on other than tires and suspension at the time. Hopefully Gwin, Seth and Niko can come out next season swinging for the fences healthy and better rubber on the ground. Intense had a top 5 bike under 3 other riders so I don't see how the new team can't place on it. It's got to be something else in my mind. Dean, Charlie and Jack are wildly talented riders and designed a bike they could all podium on any given day, as are the current 3. Gwin and Niko came a similar program with YT on a bike they designed at the same time. Yes they were different in a lot of ways, but they were both podium contender bikes under podium contender riders and where is the line of it's not the bike it's a rider blur when they should both be at the top of the game? And why can't Gwin or anyone else who can podium on that program put a run together no matter how many changes they make to that bike when it comes to race day? They keep talking linkage changes and in between bike sizes but maybe they're in a Kenda funk. And maybe I'm wrong, I'm too far removed from any knowledge other than what I'm seeing.

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11/2/2021 11:43pm Edited Date/Time 11/3/2021 12:19am
sharpy212 wrote:
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks...
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks to much’

Loris completely changed his set up…. And won on it.
brash wrote:
Conversely, Jack Moir had arguably one of his worst seasons when Intense went to fox. Or maybe it was the Kenda "tyres" These guys are so...
Conversely, Jack Moir had arguably one of his worst seasons when Intense went to fox. Or maybe it was the Kenda "tyres"

These guys are so in tune with their setup, any deviation (be it good or bad) can have an impact.
You need to go watch jack moir interview with wyn tv after he won the Enduro World Series this year. Something along the lines of

‘it’s a bit a big F@#k you to the people the stitched me up’

Don’t think his performance on his last year of intense had anything to do with running fox forks.

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Far be it from me to know the ins and outs of it all let alone someone's head, but there was a definite team chemistry in the original IFR guys. They were having a good time and doing well.

It seems Jack had another year so they kept him around when Gwin took over, maybe Gwin wasn't that stoked to have to take him or maybe Jack wasn't that he'd lost his mates and vibe he was enjoying... or both? Or maybe pressure to perform to keep his spot? Not so easy when you don't want to be where you are...

Hard to think of pro level athletes who are unhappy with the team they are in and still do well. As a thought experiment, imagine Greg Minnaar moving to a new team. I dare say he'd struggle, and part of what has made him so successful is he is comfortable and happy where he is. Ignoring the fact that he is a very fast and crafty rider of course.

Jack has certainly earned the right to flip the bird at those who he thinks needs a bird flip, and is classy enough to keep it subtle. Good on him. My AUD0.02 + bias.
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11/3/2021 4:58am
sharpy212 wrote:
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks...
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks to much’

Loris completely changed his set up…. And won on it.
brash wrote:
Conversely, Jack Moir had arguably one of his worst seasons when Intense went to fox. Or maybe it was the Kenda "tyres" These guys are so...
Conversely, Jack Moir had arguably one of his worst seasons when Intense went to fox. Or maybe it was the Kenda "tyres"

These guys are so in tune with their setup, any deviation (be it good or bad) can have an impact.
sharpy212 wrote:
You need to go watch jack moir interview with wyn tv after he won the Enduro World Series this year. Something along the lines of ‘it’s...
You need to go watch jack moir interview with wyn tv after he won the Enduro World Series this year. Something along the lines of

‘it’s a bit a big F@#k you to the people the stitched me up’

Don’t think his performance on his last year of intense had anything to do with running fox forks.

While I don’t think jack particularly vibed with the gwin run intense team, I’m pretty sure that was a dig at cannondale for allegedly commiting him to a dh team then dropping the program after the race season was over and it’s hard for someone of jack’s caliber to subsequently find a gig. Strangely worked out for everyone but moir joined canyon’s ews team cause flo leaving left a spot for a salaried rider, not because moir was itching for a new challenge.

The fact the current ews champion had the choice between going essentially privateer or switching series certainly shows the density of talent in the wc/ews ranks and that securing a ride is far from simple. I also wonder if some teams may try to push enduro on more dh racers hoping a good result there can up value and marketing. I don’t think many guys will make the switch as well as jack (jack’s cornering is otherworldly and ews is a lot of cornering) but I would not be supeised if jack’s success isn’t on the radar of a lot of people behind different brands marketing budgets.

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He was a reasonably well known name when he went to the WC due to his videos and riding with big names folks in BC. But...
He was a reasonably well known name when he went to the WC due to his videos and riding with big names folks in BC. But I think everyone was still surprised when he went to Miranda given they are a relatively small and less known team, other than the direct connection to Trek which made sense. I can imagine Trek will want to keep him but him going to the factory team might be a stretch given who they have on that team now and having just brought on Loris. I could see the Trek/Rockshox team with Vali possibly? Given the year he just had you can bet most/all the big programs are putting out feelers for that next contract.
He may have went that route as it would allow him to ride Trek but also stay on Fox suspension. If he is tightly aligned with...
He may have went that route as it would allow him to ride Trek but also stay on Fox suspension. If he is tightly aligned with Fox then moving to Syndicate makes a lot of sense. They also have a history of being flexible with letting riders choose whatever clothing/gear sponsors they want to so that makes sense too.

He said on a podcast that he picked Miranda because he could stay with the brands he already had. Rumours out there that Trek didn’t want...
He said on a podcast that he picked Miranda because he could stay with the brands he already had. Rumours out there that Trek didn’t want him as his demands where to big, same with Redbull. I heard it’s his dad. Hope it goes well, great little rider.
He basically took Trek along with him to Miranda. I don't think you'd have to dig too far to find that Trek was probably pretty heavily involved with finding him that spot and making that deal happen.

This is the shitty thing about rumours too. Jackson is one hell of a marketable guy, with huge social media presence and skills in two sides of our sport. He should be getting paid! He's also, what...16? 17? I would hope that his Dad is helping him out with major decisions! It sucks that turns into "buddy is asking for too much and his Dad is difficult". We wonder why these guys get paid shit.

Good for him! He's going to sell a lot of bikes and water bottles in his life. He should get paid for that.
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11/3/2021 9:24am
metadave wrote:
This is a long, jumbled thought but, are they actually running Kenda tires at races? Or black out other brand tires like other teams? I don't...
This is a long, jumbled thought but, are they actually running Kenda tires at races? Or black out other brand tires like other teams? I don't think anyone on that team has been where they were before moving to Kenda, although I think Jack had Moir going on other than tires and suspension at the time. Hopefully Gwin, Seth and Niko can come out next season swinging for the fences healthy and better rubber on the ground. Intense had a top 5 bike under 3 other riders so I don't see how the new team can't place on it. It's got to be something else in my mind. Dean, Charlie and Jack are wildly talented riders and designed a bike they could all podium on any given day, as are the current 3. Gwin and Niko came a similar program with YT on a bike they designed at the same time. Yes they were different in a lot of ways, but they were both podium contender bikes under podium contender riders and where is the line of it's not the bike it's a rider blur when they should both be at the top of the game? And why can't Gwin or anyone else who can podium on that program put a run together no matter how many changes they make to that bike when it comes to race day? They keep talking linkage changes and in between bike sizes but maybe they're in a Kenda funk. And maybe I'm wrong, I'm too far removed from any knowledge other than what I'm seeing.

Yes, they were actually running the Kenda tires. The Intense team did not black out any rubber. So Moir went from being able to chose from a catalog of DH tires/tread patterns he was comfortable with to being on Kenda with only a couple tread options in DH tires and lacking compounds and casings (that Gwin is still trying to work with them on, almost 3 years later). Tires---or more importantly one's confidence in them--is surely worth 5, 10(?) spots in a world cup result sheet when times are tight. It's pretty massive.
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11/3/2021 9:33am
DirkT wrote:
He basically took Trek along with him to Miranda. I don't think you'd have to dig too far to find that Trek was probably pretty heavily...
He basically took Trek along with him to Miranda. I don't think you'd have to dig too far to find that Trek was probably pretty heavily involved with finding him that spot and making that deal happen.

This is the shitty thing about rumours too. Jackson is one hell of a marketable guy, with huge social media presence and skills in two sides of our sport. He should be getting paid! He's also, what...16? 17? I would hope that his Dad is helping him out with major decisions! It sucks that turns into "buddy is asking for too much and his Dad is difficult". We wonder why these guys get paid shit.

Good for him! He's going to sell a lot of bikes and water bottles in his life. He should get paid for that.
I agree, the kid should get paid, but at times a parent's emotional attachment can get in the way.. At some point, they are better stepping back and let someone else manage the business side of things..

Now, I don't know anything about Jackson and his family, so what I said above may not even apply here...
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DirkT wrote:
He basically took Trek along with him to Miranda. I don't think you'd have to dig too far to find that Trek was probably pretty heavily...
He basically took Trek along with him to Miranda. I don't think you'd have to dig too far to find that Trek was probably pretty heavily involved with finding him that spot and making that deal happen.

This is the shitty thing about rumours too. Jackson is one hell of a marketable guy, with huge social media presence and skills in two sides of our sport. He should be getting paid! He's also, what...16? 17? I would hope that his Dad is helping him out with major decisions! It sucks that turns into "buddy is asking for too much and his Dad is difficult". We wonder why these guys get paid shit.

Good for him! He's going to sell a lot of bikes and water bottles in his life. He should get paid for that.
I agree, the kid should get paid, but at times a parent's emotional attachment can get in the way.. At some point, they are better stepping...
I agree, the kid should get paid, but at times a parent's emotional attachment can get in the way.. At some point, they are better stepping back and let someone else manage the business side of things..

Now, I don't know anything about Jackson and his family, so what I said above may not even apply here...
this is my first hearing of these rumors, but one thing to point out - he is 17 and is a minor (at least would be in the US), legally I believe he would require a parent to be cosigner on any contracts. just a thought that at least until he's 18 he likely needs his parents involvement.
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11/3/2021 11:50am
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this is my first hearing of these rumors, but one thing to point out - he is 17 and is a minor (at least would be...
this is my first hearing of these rumors, but one thing to point out - he is 17 and is a minor (at least would be in the US), legally I believe he would require a parent to be cosigner on any contracts. just a thought that at least until he's 18 he likely needs his parents involvement.
I would guess those laws may differ in different countries.. My personal opinion, parents should advise and ask questions a kid wouldn't know to ask, but let someone handle negotiations for them..
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2021 was Jackson's first year racing with Miranda, yeah? I'd be shocked to find out he initially signed only a 1 year deal
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11/3/2021 1:36pm Edited Date/Time 11/3/2021 1:44pm
sharpy212 wrote:
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks...
A pro deal is on the line…. Do you really think riders are going to turn round and say… ‘no thanks… I like my fox forks to much’

Loris completely changed his set up…. And won on it.
brash wrote:
Conversely, Jack Moir had arguably one of his worst seasons when Intense went to fox. Or maybe it was the Kenda "tyres" These guys are so...
Conversely, Jack Moir had arguably one of his worst seasons when Intense went to fox. Or maybe it was the Kenda "tyres"

These guys are so in tune with their setup, any deviation (be it good or bad) can have an impact.
sharpy212 wrote:
You need to go watch jack moir interview with wyn tv after he won the Enduro World Series this year. Something along the lines of ‘it’s...
You need to go watch jack moir interview with wyn tv after he won the Enduro World Series this year. Something along the lines of

‘it’s a bit a big F@#k you to the people the stitched me up’

Don’t think his performance on his last year of intense had anything to do with running fox forks.

I think that was in relation to a certain team who dissapeared off the planet, Not naming any names but the one with 2 shocks Smile From what I understand, that was a done deal and they pulled the rug out on him so to speak. That left Jack high and dry without a ride coming into the season. Thankfully Wynn Masters is such a good dude, put some feelers out there and things got moving with Fabien.
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