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AJW1
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2/29/2024 9:32am

Have we had this yet?

We Are One DH bike

Posted by Title MTB on Facebook

"New bike day for @caileigh_koppang, courtesy of our friends over at weareonecomposites 💜

With a new prototype DH bike in the works, along with a season of racing ahead for Caileigh, it’s a combo we’re eager to keep an eye on for the 2024 race season."

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Javigutz
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2/29/2024 9:50am
AJW1 wrote:
Have we had this yet? We Are One DH bike Posted by Title MTB on Facebook "New bike day for @caileigh_koppang, courtesy of our friends over...

Have we had this yet?

We Are One DH bike

Posted by Title MTB on Facebook

"New bike day for @caileigh_koppang, courtesy of our friends over at weareonecomposites 💜

With a new prototype DH bike in the works, along with a season of racing ahead for Caileigh, it’s a combo we’re eager to keep an eye on for the 2024 race season."

May be an image of bicycle and text

That bike is SEXY 

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sspomer
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2/29/2024 10:43am

salsa emtb and egravel bikes

 

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2/29/2024 10:52am
AJW1 wrote:
Have we had this yet? We Are One DH bike Posted by Title MTB on Facebook "New bike day for @caileigh_koppang, courtesy of our friends over...

Have we had this yet?

We Are One DH bike

Posted by Title MTB on Facebook

"New bike day for @caileigh_koppang, courtesy of our friends over at weareonecomposites 💜

With a new prototype DH bike in the works, along with a season of racing ahead for Caileigh, it’s a combo we’re eager to keep an eye on for the 2024 race season."

May be an image of bicycle and text

Saw a few of these prototypes ripping around Sun Peaks in August last year. I wasn't initially super excited about how it looks, but they look incredible in person. This one also looks amazing. 

DServy
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2/29/2024 11:21am
JCordell wrote:

Anybody know the release date of the new dreadnought? 

saskskier wrote:
I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics...

I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics, geo charts, etc). He said he's pissed he sold his v1 as v2 looks like it's quite a bit different. Said sizing is weird (med is shorter than v1 and large is longer?). Said they've switched to a four bar design to be a pedal better, but possibly at the cost of dh performance. 

I don't know anything about anything, but he seemed pretty bummed about it. I guess we'll see?

That's funny because I've seen the geo charts and it looks like it fixes a lot of the issues I had with the current bike. Does your friend want to buy my V1 dreadnought? 

Not going to leak too much but I really though the geo moved it in positive ways, for sure takes cues off their supernought on a lot of things. 

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2/29/2024 11:23am

15mm axle on that Push inverted fork 
Astounding 

Why would you want anything different?

If more front-end stiffness is what you want; a 20mm axle wouldn't really help with that. If they wanted to increase stiffness, they would have needed to go to a keyed axle to really tie the stanchions together. There's no point in just making the axle bigger in diameter. It would achieve nothing.

The "axle" isn't really an axle anyways. It bears no radial load. It's a basically just a big draw bolt. Its only job is to clamp the hub into the drop-outs with substantial pressure. A 15mm axle can do that job just as well as a 20mm.

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2/29/2024 11:38am
JCordell wrote:

Anybody know the release date of the new dreadnought? 

saskskier wrote:
I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics...

I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics, geo charts, etc). He said he's pissed he sold his v1 as v2 looks like it's quite a bit different. Said sizing is weird (med is shorter than v1 and large is longer?). Said they've switched to a four bar design to be a pedal better, but possibly at the cost of dh performance. 

I don't know anything about anything, but he seemed pretty bummed about it. I guess we'll see?

DServy wrote:
That's funny because I've seen the geo charts and it looks like it fixes a lot of the issues I had with the current bike. Does...

That's funny because I've seen the geo charts and it looks like it fixes a lot of the issues I had with the current bike. Does your friend want to buy my V1 dreadnought? 

Not going to leak too much but I really though the geo moved it in positive ways, for sure takes cues off their supernought on a lot of things. 

Sweet. Now I'm curious. Not that I'm in the market for a new bike, but always curious. 

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2/29/2024 12:28pm
JCordell wrote:

Anybody know the release date of the new dreadnought? 

saskskier wrote:
I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics...

I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics, geo charts, etc). He said he's pissed he sold his v1 as v2 looks like it's quite a bit different. Said sizing is weird (med is shorter than v1 and large is longer?). Said they've switched to a four bar design to be a pedal better, but possibly at the cost of dh performance. 

I don't know anything about anything, but he seemed pretty bummed about it. I guess we'll see?

DServy wrote:
That's funny because I've seen the geo charts and it looks like it fixes a lot of the issues I had with the current bike. Does...

That's funny because I've seen the geo charts and it looks like it fixes a lot of the issues I had with the current bike. Does your friend want to buy my V1 dreadnought? 

Not going to leak too much but I really though the geo moved it in positive ways, for sure takes cues off their supernought on a lot of things. 

I've seen it and it's basically a supernought with less travel (swap drop outs for mullet etc) and some sick paint jobs. 

 

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ethanrevitch
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2/29/2024 3:35pm
JCordell wrote:

Anybody know the release date of the new dreadnought? 

I don’t know but I suspect it will be coming sooner than Forbidden wanted it to because of the leak. 

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kcw72
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2/29/2024 6:07pm Edited Date/Time 2/29/2024 6:08pm
DServy wrote:
That's funny because I've seen the geo charts and it looks like it fixes a lot of the issues I had with the current bike. Does...

That's funny because I've seen the geo charts and it looks like it fixes a lot of the issues I had with the current bike. Does your friend want to buy my V1 dreadnought? 

Not going to leak too much but I really though the geo moved it in positive ways, for sure takes cues off their supernought on a lot of things. 

Hoping for 450 reach on medium ? Sign me up 

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2/29/2024 6:20pm Edited Date/Time 2/29/2024 6:21pm
saskskier wrote:
I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics...

I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics, geo charts, etc). He said he's pissed he sold his v1 as v2 looks like it's quite a bit different. Said sizing is weird (med is shorter than v1 and large is longer?). Said they've switched to a four bar design to be a pedal better, but possibly at the cost of dh performance. 

I don't know anything about anything, but he seemed pretty bummed about it. I guess we'll see?

DServy wrote:
That's funny because I've seen the geo charts and it looks like it fixes a lot of the issues I had with the current bike. Does...

That's funny because I've seen the geo charts and it looks like it fixes a lot of the issues I had with the current bike. Does your friend want to buy my V1 dreadnought? 

Not going to leak too much but I really though the geo moved it in positive ways, for sure takes cues off their supernought on a lot of things. 

I've seen it and it's basically a supernought with less travel (swap drop outs for mullet etc) and some sick paint jobs. 

 

Re the Dreadnought V2, any hints as to how much rear travel?

2/29/2024 6:59pm

15mm axle on that Push inverted fork 
Astounding 

FullSend wrote:
Why would you want anything different? If more front-end stiffness is what you want; a 20mm axle wouldn't really help with that. If they wanted to...

Why would you want anything different?

If more front-end stiffness is what you want; a 20mm axle wouldn't really help with that. If they wanted to increase stiffness, they would have needed to go to a keyed axle to really tie the stanchions together. There's no point in just making the axle bigger in diameter. It would achieve nothing.

The "axle" isn't really an axle anyways. It bears no radial load. It's a basically just a big draw bolt. Its only job is to clamp the hub into the drop-outs with substantial pressure. A 15mm axle can do that job just as well as a 20mm.

Yup! If there was any benefit to using a different axle size they would have done it. People should listen to the inside line episode, its goes over all of those tech details, and they really tested every idea during the development process. Including the keyed stanchions, which they had basically assumed would be needed and turns out......you do not. Its super interesting!

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ethanrevitch
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2/29/2024 9:07pm

Dreadnought frames are on the boat schedule for a mid April release date is what I heard. 

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Simpancz
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Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a...

Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a Zeb or 38 with a coil conversion is significantly lighter too. 

As a Smashpot owner, the weight with a reasonable spring rate will be very close the push nine.

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3/1/2024 1:31am

15mm axle on that Push inverted fork 
Astounding 

FullSend wrote:
Why would you want anything different? If more front-end stiffness is what you want; a 20mm axle wouldn't really help with that. If they wanted to...

Why would you want anything different?

If more front-end stiffness is what you want; a 20mm axle wouldn't really help with that. If they wanted to increase stiffness, they would have needed to go to a keyed axle to really tie the stanchions together. There's no point in just making the axle bigger in diameter. It would achieve nothing.

The "axle" isn't really an axle anyways. It bears no radial load. It's a basically just a big draw bolt. Its only job is to clamp the hub into the drop-outs with substantial pressure. A 15mm axle can do that job just as well as a 20mm.

Yup! If there was any benefit to using a different axle size they would have done it. People should listen to the inside line episode, its...

Yup! If there was any benefit to using a different axle size they would have done it. People should listen to the inside line episode, its goes over all of those tech details, and they really tested every idea during the development process. Including the keyed stanchions, which they had basically assumed would be needed and turns out......you do not. Its super interesting!

I haven't listened to the whole podcast yet, but I skimmed through it. What I want to know is how they addressed yaw-ing of the two tubes. 

A key issue of upside down forks in MTB is that because we use one side for a spring and one for a damper the amount of force required on each side to compress the same amount is quite different. This means the wheel and fork yaws (twists) under load. 

It happens on "right side up forks" a bit too even with their one piece lowers. Put 2 o-rings, one on each leg and notice how they never quite match up the amount of travel they use. 

I've done the same thing on a Dorado and it's quite significant at times. 

Moto doesn't have this issue as each leg houses a spring and damper unit, so the forces for each side equal. 

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3beN
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3/1/2024 2:46am

IMG 7497

Potato shot of the new Dreadnought in Rhys Verners's latest IG post

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3/1/2024 5:56am
I haven't listened to the whole podcast yet, but I skimmed through it. What I want to know is how they addressed yaw-ing of the two...

I haven't listened to the whole podcast yet, but I skimmed through it. What I want to know is how they addressed yaw-ing of the two tubes. 

A key issue of upside down forks in MTB is that because we use one side for a spring and one for a damper the amount of force required on each side to compress the same amount is quite different. This means the wheel and fork yaws (twists) under load. 

It happens on "right side up forks" a bit too even with their one piece lowers. Put 2 o-rings, one on each leg and notice how they never quite match up the amount of travel they use. 

I've done the same thing on a Dorado and it's quite significant at times. 

Moto doesn't have this issue as each leg houses a spring and damper unit, so the forces for each side equal. 

I don't think both legs have spring and damper in MX forks:

image-20240301145513-1

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Simcik
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I haven't listened to the whole podcast yet, but I skimmed through it. What I want to know is how they addressed yaw-ing of the two...

I haven't listened to the whole podcast yet, but I skimmed through it. What I want to know is how they addressed yaw-ing of the two tubes. 

A key issue of upside down forks in MTB is that because we use one side for a spring and one for a damper the amount of force required on each side to compress the same amount is quite different. This means the wheel and fork yaws (twists) under load. 

It happens on "right side up forks" a bit too even with their one piece lowers. Put 2 o-rings, one on each leg and notice how they never quite match up the amount of travel they use. 

I've done the same thing on a Dorado and it's quite significant at times. 

Moto doesn't have this issue as each leg houses a spring and damper unit, so the forces for each side equal. 

I don't think both legs have spring and damper in MX forks:

I don't think both legs have spring and damper in MX forks:

image-20240301145513-1

Some moto forks do have springs in both sides but certainly not all. Some of the WP forks have an air spring on the left side and damper on the right. Other WP forks have springs on both sides. Just depends on the application.

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sethimus
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3/1/2024 7:28am
JCordell wrote:

Anybody know the release date of the new dreadnought? 

They said be on the lookout for it in an email sent out today. Would assume this week or next... gotta compete with those new Norco...

They said be on the lookout for it in an email sent out today. Would assume this week or next... gotta compete with those new Norco high pivots!

metadave wrote:

Instinct tells me next week will be a busy one for new releases. 

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sethimus
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Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a...

Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a Zeb or 38 with a coil conversion is significantly lighter too. 

Simpancz wrote:

As a Smashpot owner, the weight with a reasonable spring rate will be very close the push nine.

formula selva coil is 23xxg

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Onawalk
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3/1/2024 8:17am
saskskier wrote:
I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics...

I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics, geo charts, etc). He said he's pissed he sold his v1 as v2 looks like it's quite a bit different. Said sizing is weird (med is shorter than v1 and large is longer?). Said they've switched to a four bar design to be a pedal better, but possibly at the cost of dh performance. 

I don't know anything about anything, but he seemed pretty bummed about it. I guess we'll see?

JCordell wrote:

I hope sizing isn't weird. Current reach at 462mm is pretty good for a medium. I'm 5'10 and usually between sizes so hopefully medium doesn't shrink.. 

Is there such a thing as being "between" two sizes when it comes to bikes?

Like I get a short sizes, (I like to think I'm a Large, but then I put on a shirt and think, damn it, did this shirt shrink...)

I'm 5 10 as well, and figure I'm pretty square as a medium.  Lots of manufacture info puts me in a Large, but that doesnt "feel" right.  My Medium Fugee (445 reach) and medium Spire (460 reach) "feel" perfect, due to the different seat angles on the climbs, and the pace that im trucking down.

Its never perfect all the time, and wouldnt be on a large either, so I try to optimize for the riding I prefer with each bike and terrain

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ebruner
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3/1/2024 8:31am
Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a...

Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a Zeb or 38 with a coil conversion is significantly lighter too. 

Simpancz wrote:

As a Smashpot owner, the weight with a reasonable spring rate will be very close the push nine.

My zeb 29 @170 with a smashpot (50lb spring) weighs 2900g.  The push fork is not heavy for what it is imo.  

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3/1/2024 8:43am
ebruner wrote:

My zeb 29 @170 with a smashpot (50lb spring) weighs 2900g.  The push fork is not heavy for what it is imo.  

Never mind then haha. Thats heavier than many dual crown forks!

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ethanrevitch
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3/1/2024 8:51am
Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a...

Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a Zeb or 38 with a coil conversion is significantly lighter too. 

Simpancz wrote:

As a Smashpot owner, the weight with a reasonable spring rate will be very close the push nine.

Since when was the EXT fork coil? 

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nskerb
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3/1/2024 8:59am

A 36/Lyrik DC would be the holy grail...  bar spins are overrated.

They made a DC lyrik for like 2 decades bro. They just called it a boxxer.

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Primoz
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3/1/2024 9:06am

@Onawalk it's kinda like reach is not the right metric for bike sizing if you have to pedal it 😂

@nskerb peperridge farm remembers dual crown Sids 😜

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Onawalk
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3/1/2024 9:26am

A 36/Lyrik DC would be the holy grail...  bar spins are overrated.

So like the previous gen Boxxxer?

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