neko testing some alternative manufacturing, gonna be interesting to see the advantages without the marketing talk
neko testing some alternative manufacturing, gonna be interesting to see the advantages without the marketing talk
That's awesome! Now if they could just get rid of the carbon rear end I'd be very tempted to buy one. There's no tangible advantages to a carbon rear end over an alloy one, but there certainly are disadvantages.
That's awesome! Now if they could just get rid of the carbon rear end I'd be very tempted to buy one. There's no tangible advantages to...
That's awesome! Now if they could just get rid of the carbon rear end I'd be very tempted to buy one. There's no tangible advantages to a carbon rear end over an alloy one, but there certainly are disadvantages.
According to Neko there are tangible benefits. He switched to carbon to get better alignment/tolerances, achieving the stiffness he wanted, and it reduced the unsprung weight by over 800g's, which he felt like gave better suspension performance.
I get wanting to have a full aluminum frame from a consumer perspective, but to say there is no tangible benefit when Neko is out there testing different designs, multiple materials, suspension layouts, etc. is being disingenuous about the work that Neko has been doing. Especially considering he is documenting the whole process and giving us an inside look into how a bike is created.
That's awesome! Now if they could just get rid of the carbon rear end I'd be very tempted to buy one. There's no tangible advantages to...
That's awesome! Now if they could just get rid of the carbon rear end I'd be very tempted to buy one. There's no tangible advantages to a carbon rear end over an alloy one, but there certainly are disadvantages.
That's the best part about Neko's project. He doesn't give a shit about your (consumer) preferences. He's building the fastest bike he can. He has shown/explained why he feels a carbon rear end is faster.
First time I've seen reference to the I-track patent on a Norco. Also, I wonder when these wheels are coming out?
First time I've seen reference to the I-track patent on a Norco. Also, I wonder when these wheels are coming out?
Stoked for Hugh, back in early 2000's and I was in a mIRC Aussie mtb group chat and he was coming up with suspension ideas back then, we were all thinking he was a lunatic but here we are. Dude is switched on as hell.
It's probably been stated and I missed it but their is a countdown clock on Push's fork page. Nine One - PUSH Industries
Looks like tomorrow...
It's probably been stated and I missed it but their is a countdown clock on Push's fork page. Nine One - PUSH Industries
Looks like tomorrow is the day.
stoked on the podcast/video we'll have tomorrow w/ darren. should explain any/all questions. (edit...yeah right...this is tech rumors, you'll have 4,000,000 other questions/observations no matter what : )
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of their most popular models (Devinci and Trek can skirt around it, as the idler is still mounted to the swingarm).
Anybody know the release date of the new dreadnought?
I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics, geo charts, etc). He said he's pissed he sold his v1 as v2 looks like it's quite a bit different. Said sizing is weird (med is shorter than v1 and large is longer?). Said they've switched to a four bar design to be a pedal better, but possibly at the cost of dh performance.
I don't know anything about anything, but he seemed pretty bummed about it. I guess we'll see?
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of...
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of their most popular models (Devinci and Trek can skirt around it, as the idler is still mounted to the swingarm).
Can anyone give me a little TLDR about this iTrack patent thing? What it does and why its a big deal?
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of...
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of their most popular models (Devinci and Trek can skirt around it, as the idler is still mounted to the swingarm).
Can anyone give me a little TLDR about this iTrack patent thing? What it does and why its a big deal?
I'm not an expert, but as I understand it iTrack is the idler position at the pivot rather than on the swingarm or main triangle. This is important because the idler then stays in a fixed position relative to the pivot throughout the suspension travel.
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of...
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of their most popular models (Devinci and Trek can skirt around it, as the idler is still mounted to the swingarm).
I'm not an expert, but as I understand it iTrack is the idler position at the pivot rather than on the swingarm or main triangle. This...
I'm not an expert, but as I understand it iTrack is the idler position at the pivot rather than on the swingarm or main triangle. This is important because the idler then stays in a fixed position relative to the pivot throughout the suspension travel.
This idler pulley is attached to a member of the suspension linkage, so that it moves relative to the bottom bracket and the rear axle, as the suspension is compressed.
I'm not an expert, but as I understand it iTrack is the idler position at the pivot rather than on the swingarm or main triangle. This...
I'm not an expert, but as I understand it iTrack is the idler position at the pivot rather than on the swingarm or main triangle. This is important because the idler then stays in a fixed position relative to the pivot throughout the suspension travel.
https://i-tracksuspension.com/
This idler pulley is attached to a member of the suspension linkage, so that it moves relative to the bottom bracket and the rear axle...
This idler pulley is attached to a member of the suspension linkage, so that it moves relative to the bottom bracket and the rear axle, as the suspension is compressed.
I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics...
I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics, geo charts, etc). He said he's pissed he sold his v1 as v2 looks like it's quite a bit different. Said sizing is weird (med is shorter than v1 and large is longer?). Said they've switched to a four bar design to be a pedal better, but possibly at the cost of dh performance.
I don't know anything about anything, but he seemed pretty bummed about it. I guess we'll see?
I hope sizing isn't weird. Current reach at 462mm is pretty good for a medium. I'm 5'10 and usually between sizes so hopefully medium doesn't shrink..
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of...
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of their most popular models (Devinci and Trek can skirt around it, as the idler is still mounted to the swingarm).
Can anyone give me a little TLDR about this iTrack patent thing? What it does and why its a big deal?
TL;DR: idler on one of the suspension links, applicable for 4 and 6-bar suspension designs. i-Track does not cover idlers on the main frame or the swingarm of a single pivot.
That's why Norco has it (chainstay of a 4-bar), ditto for Intense and Forbidden doesn't have it (single pivot). Kavenz had a similar layout to Norco and moved the idler to be concentric with the pivot of the chainstay, thus idler being 'mounted to the main triangle' (not moving relative to it), thus skirting the patent.
yea, i don't get it either. but that ship has kinda sailed unfortunately. at least it looks like there is a substantial surface area on the face where the hub will interface, ala SRAM torque caps (are those even still a thing?)
yea, i don't get it either. but that ship has kinda sailed unfortunately. at least it looks like there is a substantial surface area on the...
yea, i don't get it either. but that ship has kinda sailed unfortunately. at least it looks like there is a substantial surface area on the face where the hub will interface, ala SRAM torque caps (are those even still a thing?)
Present on all Rock Shox forks, but now there are screw on spacers for standard hubs included in the box.
Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a Zeb or 38 with a coil conversion is significantly lighter too.
Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a...
Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a Zeb or 38 with a coil conversion is significantly lighter too.
yea, i had a bit of knee-jerk reaction to that weight before i realized it was coil (which was kind of dumb of me). a fox 40 is about an ounce or 2 heavier.
That's awesome! Now if they could just get rid of the carbon rear end I'd be very tempted to buy one. There's no tangible advantages to a carbon rear end over an alloy one, but there certainly are disadvantages.
Anybody know the release date of the new dreadnought?
According to Neko there are tangible benefits. He switched to carbon to get better alignment/tolerances, achieving the stiffness he wanted, and it reduced the unsprung weight by over 800g's, which he felt like gave better suspension performance.
I get wanting to have a full aluminum frame from a consumer perspective, but to say there is no tangible benefit when Neko is out there testing different designs, multiple materials, suspension layouts, etc. is being disingenuous about the work that Neko has been doing. Especially considering he is documenting the whole process and giving us an inside look into how a bike is created.
That's the best part about Neko's project. He doesn't give a shit about your (consumer) preferences. He's building the fastest bike he can. He has shown/explained why he feels a carbon rear end is faster.
They said be on the lookout for it in an email sent out today. Would assume this week or next... gotta compete with those new Norco high pivots!
Stoked for Hugh, back in early 2000's and I was in a mIRC Aussie mtb group chat and he was coming up with suspension ideas back then, we were all thinking he was a lunatic but here we are. Dude is switched on as hell.
How do I get on this email chain? Haha
15mm axle on that Push inverted fork
Astounding
It's probably been stated and I missed it but their is a countdown clock on Push's fork page. Nine One - PUSH Industries
Looks like tomorrow is the day.
stoked on the podcast/video we'll have tomorrow w/ darren. should explain any/all questions. (edit...yeah right...this is tech rumors, you'll have 4,000,000 other questions/observations no matter what : )
Just as an aside, congrats to Hugh McLeay (the i-Track guy) now that a brand as big as Norco is licensing his tech on two of their most popular models (Devinci and Trek can skirt around it, as the idler is still mounted to the swingarm).
Instinct tells me next week will be a busy one for new releases.
Do we know when the era wheel are going to be released
Product page currently 404s: https://www.pushindustries.com/products/nine-point-one
I don't have any idea when it's going to be released, but a friend was at a shop who sells them and has seen it (pics, geo charts, etc). He said he's pissed he sold his v1 as v2 looks like it's quite a bit different. Said sizing is weird (med is shorter than v1 and large is longer?). Said they've switched to a four bar design to be a pedal better, but possibly at the cost of dh performance.
I don't know anything about anything, but he seemed pretty bummed about it. I guess we'll see?
Can anyone give me a little TLDR about this iTrack patent thing? What it does and why its a big deal?
I'm not an expert, but as I understand it iTrack is the idler position at the pivot rather than on the swingarm or main triangle. This is important because the idler then stays in a fixed position relative to the pivot throughout the suspension travel.
https://i-tracksuspension.com/
This idler pulley is attached to a member of the suspension linkage, so that it moves relative to the bottom bracket and the rear axle, as the suspension is compressed.
Thanks for clarifying that!
Mountain Bike Suspension and Mountain Bike Suspension Tuning (pushindustries.com)
Front page has something, guessing more onto the actual product page later today
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.pushi…
I hope sizing isn't weird. Current reach at 462mm is pretty good for a medium. I'm 5'10 and usually between sizes so hopefully medium doesn't shrink..
TL;DR: idler on one of the suspension links, applicable for 4 and 6-bar suspension designs. i-Track does not cover idlers on the main frame or the swingarm of a single pivot.
That's why Norco has it (chainstay of a 4-bar), ditto for Intense and Forbidden doesn't have it (single pivot). Kavenz had a similar layout to Norco and moved the idler to be concentric with the pivot of the chainstay, thus idler being 'mounted to the main triangle' (not moving relative to it), thus skirting the patent.
yea, i don't get it either. but that ship has kinda sailed unfortunately. at least it looks like there is a substantial surface area on the face where the hub will interface, ala SRAM torque caps (are those even still a thing?)
Present on all Rock Shox forks, but now there are screw on spacers for standard hubs included in the box.
It's now gone from the front page too, guessing it's permission issues w/ the site...
Our PUSH Nine.One feature is here with full specs, deets, press release, images, audio podcast etc.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/upside-down-push-nine-one-fork-finall…
here's the video podcast and timestamps with bullet point list of fork deets below too
Discussion Topics
0:00 - Intro (2024)
1:00 - (Feb 2023 Start) Why Make a Fork at All?
4:23 - Why Make an Inverted Fork?
8:43 - PUSH Nine.One Fork Specs & Features
10:21 - The "Grab the Bars Torsional Stiffness Twist Test" is Dumb
15:54 - Modular, Updatable Axle Lugs for Wheel Size, Offset and Brake Mounts, Travel Adjust
20:23 - Simple Fork Servicing Through Bleed Ports, Long-term Product Use
25:47 - Why is it a $2,600 Mountain Bike Fork? Weight, Fabrication Details
31:44 - Comparing Other Inverted Fork Designs, Why Not Carbon?
34:22 - Spring, Damper and Internals
38:20 - The Parking Lot Test
41:45 - Jason's Ride Experience on the PUSH Fork
44:57 - Purposefully Not as Torsionally Stiff as a Regular Fork
47:14 - Availability
48:47 - What About Stanchion Scratches / Guards?
51:47 - WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG? (2024)
1:00:44 - Did Anything About the Fork Change During the Year?
1:02:30 - Fork Specs (Again : )
1:05:14 - Four Years in the Making
1:06:58 - FIXED BUSHINGS and Why
1:09:51 - Would Darren Do It All Over Again?
1:11:53 - The Twist Test is Still Pointless
1:16:00 - What MTB Standard Would Darren Change?
PUSH Nine.One Fork Details/Spec
MSRP: $2,600 USD
Travel: 140mm-170mm in 10mm increments. User adjustable
Axle: 15mm x 110mm floating through axle
Axle Clamp: Oversized 38mm clamp area, 4 bolt design
Steerer: 1.5” Tapered
Brake Mount: Dual Standoff Direct 180/185mm and 200/203mm
Made in Colorado
MTB and E-MTB compatible
Main Spring: Coil with silent-surround noise canceling technology
28 Clicks of External Low-Speed Compression Adjustment
28 Clicks of External High-Speed Compression Adjustment
18 Clicks of External Low-Speed Rebound Adjustment
Independent externally adjustable Pneumatic Bottom Out Piston
Motorex 3D Response Technology Fork Oil
Weight: 2,790 grams
Ya that weight is tough. I get its coil, but my EXT might as well be coil and its significantly lighter. I'm willing to bet a Zeb or 38 with a coil conversion is significantly lighter too.
yea, i had a bit of knee-jerk reaction to that weight before i realized it was coil (which was kind of dumb of me). a fox 40 is about an ounce or 2 heavier.
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