Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
The Meta AM29 had a 495 reach compared to the 480 on the current one. Also the reason why I sold mine (for a bike with...
The Meta AM29 had a 495 reach compared to the 480 on the current one. Also the reason why I sold mine (for a bike with shorter reach and steeper hta), it was just too big.
Correct, The AM29 & TR have very large reach numbers with "meh stack" aswell.
Commencal came back slightly with the SX and now back even further, with 475 in low for the large.
Giant have also done the same with their reign and pulled the reach numbers back.
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out...
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out...
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
Yup, at 6ft I feel sized out of many large frames. I went from a Spec Enduro to an Evo, a big part of it was ~15mm less reach on the Evo (both S4). It's also lighter and the adjustability is nice. I'm glad to see reaches getting a bit shorter.
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
That's the thing, brands barely just started offering geo and sizing that fits tall people and now it seems at least that its swinging back the other way.
Indeed the labelling of sizes has changed (so a large is now larger than before) but they still make an equivalently sized bike, it is just labelled medium instead (or even small (!!!) in cases like the Canyon Strive). This also makes sense for a 'medium' frame to be the best fit for an average height person.
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out...
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
At least as consolation the really tall guys always have chicks asking them how tall they are
Does anyone have info about Formula releasing a new shock and fork ? I've heard they have something in the pipes but didn't want to show it at Eurobike. Formula MOD is an excellent shock so hopefully it won't go away, maybe something air, or lighter for climbing oriented riders ? As for the Selva few friends have it and love it but many think a biger chassi would be great so maybe a "Zeb/38" offering from Formula ?
Here's another little detail I just found out about the new Commencal Meta V5: Internally at Commencal, within the official documentation, the Meta V5 is known as the 2023 "Meta TR".
That could mean that they do really see it as more of a trail bike, which leaves some unoccupied space in their line-up for a long-travel single crown bike a la Canyon Torque. So maybe they are secretly also working on a long-travel version to replace the Meta AM and SX.
SX sounds more menacing than AM. They'll probably continue with SX, and my guess would be they'll bump the rear travel to 170mm (after all, the current SX goes to 173mm with the WRP link) and will put a 170-180mm fork up front.
SX sounds more menacing than AM. They'll probably continue with SX, and my guess would be they'll bump the rear travel to 170mm (after all, the...
SX sounds more menacing than AM. They'll probably continue with SX, and my guess would be they'll bump the rear travel to 170mm (after all, the current SX goes to 173mm with the WRP link) and will put a 170-180mm fork up front.
I have a sx with a 65 stroke shock and 180 zeb. Great park/smasher bike
Some of you may know more already? Also there are some good shots of the main bearing area from the swingarm on Loic's bike in that video too.
I caught that too a few days ago; wasn't sure if he was possibly saying "E-BB" (which would make sense for 'eccentric') or "U-BB". I thought the "Q" could have been the accent and an error in the captioning.
Does anyone have info about Formula releasing a new shock and fork ? I've heard they have something in the pipes but didn't want to show...
Does anyone have info about Formula releasing a new shock and fork ? I've heard they have something in the pipes but didn't want to show it at Eurobike. Formula MOD is an excellent shock so hopefully it won't go away, maybe something air, or lighter for climbing oriented riders ? As for the Selva few friends have it and love it but many think a biger chassi would be great so maybe a "Zeb/38" offering from Formula ?
Two years ago formula guy was making fun of brands going to 38mm stanchions instead of DC forks. It would be sad to see them change their mind and aborting DC Selva.
Here's another little detail I just found out about the new Commencal Meta V5: Internally at Commencal, within the official documentation, the Meta V5 is known...
Here's another little detail I just found out about the new Commencal Meta V5: Internally at Commencal, within the official documentation, the Meta V5 is known as the 2023 "Meta TR".
That could mean that they do really see it as more of a trail bike, which leaves some unoccupied space in their line-up for a long-travel single crown bike a la Canyon Torque. So maybe they are secretly also working on a long-travel version to replace the Meta AM and SX.
Meta V5 with mixed-sized wheels will be released next Thursday. Curious to see the spec, geo and target audience. I assume it will be 170-180 in the front and 160-170 in the rear.
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls).
Calipers of magura’s aren’t plastic. Lever reservoir is the carbotecure plastic bit.
On their lowest offrering even the lever blade is plastic. On Mt5/7 and whatever the 2 piston equivalents are blades are alu. But the main body being plastic is also rubbish. My partner lost the lid that goes over the reservoir membrane resulting in complete loss of braking, not crash or obvious reason for that part to pop. I saw omething similar happen to a rider during an Enduro race. Definitely does not inspire much confidence in my MT7s and I might go metal MC and lever soon.
Saw the new Specialized Stumpy Evo yesterday at sky tavern bike park in Reno, predictably moved away from the cross strut and has same suspension design as the Levo SL. Was a sexy poo brown color, wonder why it hasn't been released yet as it looked like a production bike.
Saw the new Specialized Stumpy Evo yesterday at sky tavern bike park in Reno, predictably moved away from the cross strut and has same suspension design...
Saw the new Specialized Stumpy Evo yesterday at sky tavern bike park in Reno, predictably moved away from the cross strut and has same suspension design as the Levo SL. Was a sexy poo brown color, wonder why it hasn't been released yet as it looked like a production bike.
why a new stumpy evo? the enduro is older and due for an update… maybe it was the new enduro?
Saw the new Specialized Stumpy Evo yesterday at sky tavern bike park in Reno, predictably moved away from the cross strut and has same suspension design...
Saw the new Specialized Stumpy Evo yesterday at sky tavern bike park in Reno, predictably moved away from the cross strut and has same suspension design as the Levo SL. Was a sexy poo brown color, wonder why it hasn't been released yet as it looked like a production bike.
why a new stumpy evo? the enduro is older and due for an update… maybe it was the new enduro?
Pretty sure it was Stumpy Evo, I would suspect the new Stumpy will be released, too, and would assume it's more important to have those bikes before a new Enduro that shares similar design que's to the Kenevo SL.
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Correct, The AM29 & TR have very large reach numbers with "meh stack" aswell.
Commencal came back slightly with the SX and now back even further, with 475 in low for the large.
Giant have also done the same with their reign and pulled the reach numbers back.
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
Yup, at 6ft I feel sized out of many large frames. I went from a Spec Enduro to an Evo, a big part of it was ~15mm less reach on the Evo (both S4). It's also lighter and the adjustability is nice. I'm glad to see reaches getting a bit shorter.
Man, if only there were a forum thread dedicated to this topic. https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/How-Much-Reach-is-Too-Much-Re…
That's the thing, brands barely just started offering geo and sizing that fits tall people and now it seems at least that its swinging back the other way.
Indeed the labelling of sizes has changed (so a large is now larger than before) but they still make an equivalently sized bike, it is just labelled medium instead (or even small (!!!) in cases like the Canyon Strive). This also makes sense for a 'medium' frame to be the best fit for an average height person.
That's what we thought in May, and then for the first WC race, and now for Eurobike.
At least as consolation the really tall guys always have chicks asking them how tall they are
Does anyone have info about Formula releasing a new shock and fork ? I've heard they have something in the pipes but didn't want to show it at Eurobike. Formula MOD is an excellent shock so hopefully it won't go away, maybe something air, or lighter for climbing oriented riders ? As for the Selva few friends have it and love it but many think a biger chassi would be great so maybe a "Zeb/38" offering from Formula ?
Weren't there murmurs of an air variant of the MOD?
Here's another little detail I just found out about the new Commencal Meta V5: Internally at Commencal, within the official documentation, the Meta V5 is known as the 2023 "Meta TR".
That could mean that they do really see it as more of a trail bike, which leaves some unoccupied space in their line-up for a long-travel single crown bike a la Canyon Torque. So maybe they are secretly also working on a long-travel version to replace the Meta AM and SX.
They could make a longer travel bike with this new suspension design and kill off like 4 models- FRS, clash, meta sx, old meta am 29
never understood why they make so many different but similar purpose free ride/park bikes
SX sounds more menacing than AM. They'll probably continue with SX, and my guess would be they'll bump the rear travel to 170mm (after all, the current SX goes to 173mm with the WRP link) and will put a 170-180mm fork up front.
I have a sx with a 65 stroke shock and 180 zeb. Great park/smasher bike
eurobike wrap-up
https://www.vitalmtb.com/eurobike-2023-day-3
RE the S-Works proto DH bike under Finn and Loic.
In Vital Pit Bits from Leogang, Kevin Joly (Finn mech) let slip the term "Q-BB", in relation to the suspension design maybe?
https://youtu.be/gf9mIJPZ5CM?t=317
Some of you may know more already? Also there are some good shots of the main bearing area from the swingarm on Loic's bike in that video too.
some EDR pit bits
https://www.vitalmtb.com/pit-bits-edr-val-di-fassa
I caught that too a few days ago; wasn't sure if he was possibly saying "E-BB" (which would make sense for 'eccentric') or "U-BB". I thought the "Q" could have been the accent and an error in the captioning.
Two years ago formula guy was making fun of brands going to 38mm stanchions instead of DC forks. It would be sad to see them change their mind and aborting DC Selva.
Hi guys. Any hint /news for the Forbidden Dreadnought V2?
Meta V5 with mixed-sized wheels will be released next Thursday. Curious to see the spec, geo and target audience. I assume it will be 170-180 in the front and 160-170 in the rear.
Calipers of magura’s aren’t plastic. Lever reservoir is the carbotecure plastic bit.
All I want's my gol durned Vivid Air!
On their lowest offrering even the lever blade is plastic. On Mt5/7 and whatever the 2 piston equivalents are blades are alu. But the main body being plastic is also rubbish. My partner lost the lid that goes over the reservoir membrane resulting in complete loss of braking, not crash or obvious reason for that part to pop. I saw omething similar happen to a rider during an Enduro race. Definitely does not inspire much confidence in my MT7s and I might go metal MC and lever soon.
Saw the new Specialized Stumpy Evo yesterday at sky tavern bike park in Reno, predictably moved away from the cross strut and has same suspension design as the Levo SL. Was a sexy poo brown color, wonder why it hasn't been released yet as it looked like a production bike.
why a new stumpy evo? the enduro is older and due for an update… maybe it was the new enduro?
Ibis HD6?
Pretty sure it was Stumpy Evo, I would suspect the new Stumpy will be released, too, and would assume it's more important to have those bikes before a new Enduro that shares similar design que's to the Kenevo SL.
Don’t know if it shows but yes, HD6
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