External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?
Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are 435/436.8 in low/high for the 2 smallest sizes, but 440/448.8 for L and XL
I find it odd that they go down in travel and even the burlyness of the build to some extent compared with the old AM, maybe its a longer travel variant coming and this is more of a replacement for the tr version? This one just in between aligns much better with my interst but racers tend to run more travel aren't they? They dont even seem to allow a longer than 571mm long fork in the specs
External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?
Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are...
External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?
Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are 435/436.8 in low/high for the 2 smallest sizes, but 440/448.8 for L and XL
I find it odd that they go down in travel and even the burlyness of the build to some extent compared with the old AM, maybe its a longer travel variant coming and this is more of a replacement for the tr version? This one just in between aligns much better with my interst but racers tend to run more travel aren't they? They dont even seem to allow a longer than 571mm long fork in the specs
on my AM29 I had 34.9 dropper
and some racers are going down in travel, rys verner won in Leogang on the Druid, Jesse Melamed was riding the Spectral for the first two rounds.
External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?
Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are...
External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?
Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are 435/436.8 in low/high for the 2 smallest sizes, but 440/448.8 for L and XL
I find it odd that they go down in travel and even the burlyness of the build to some extent compared with the old AM, maybe its a longer travel variant coming and this is more of a replacement for the tr version? This one just in between aligns much better with my interst but racers tend to run more travel aren't they? They dont even seem to allow a longer than 571mm long fork in the specs
External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?
Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are...
External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?
Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are 435/436.8 in low/high for the 2 smallest sizes, but 440/448.8 for L and XL
I find it odd that they go down in travel and even the burlyness of the build to some extent compared with the old AM, maybe its a longer travel variant coming and this is more of a replacement for the tr version? This one just in between aligns much better with my interst but racers tend to run more travel aren't they? They dont even seem to allow a longer than 571mm long fork in the specs
on my AM29 I had 34.9 dropper
and some racers are going down in travel, rys verner won in Leogang on the Druid, Jesse Melamed...
on my AM29 I had 34.9 dropper
and some racers are going down in travel, rys verner won in Leogang on the Druid, Jesse Melamed was riding the Spectral for the first two rounds.
Charlie Murray also racing and getting in the top 10 on a stumpy eco with a lyrik on the front. I think some riders are finding the lighter/shorter bikes fit their ride styles better when it comes to getting through 30-40 minutes of racing, even if it means sacrificing a bit of speed in the gnarliest stuff they’re able to save some energy and keep their avg speed up across the whole course.
I’m assuming he’s figuring his calipers are more powerful simply based off the fact Magura’s are temperamental, fragile, plastic landfill fodder.
This is my last little quip for the day.
I don't have any beef with the material used for anything as long as it works properly. I've never had issues with the material on Magura brakes.
Once upon a time I thought max braking torque was the only thing that was important. In reality all decent brakes have more than enough power to lock up you wheels. As much as I wish I could say I only ever break 100% or not at all, the reality is most braking happens in the mid-range. A brake with insane outright stopping power can still potentially result in hand fatigue if they way it ramps up doesn't suit the trails you are riding. I learned this when doing the Code cams. Was riding a bunch of steep stuff with good traction and wanted to quicken up lever throw without losing outright power. Worked great there and did exactly what was intended. Later got onto some lower angle slippery trails and found my hands were getting more worn out than with the stock cam. Turns out you have to make the sacrifice of higher finger force in the mid-range to achieve the smaller lever throw with the same outright braking power.
This is my last little quip for the day.
I don't have any beef with the material used for anything as long as it works properly...
This is my last little quip for the day.
I don't have any beef with the material used for anything as long as it works properly. I've never had issues with the material on Magura brakes.
Once upon a time I thought max braking torque was the only thing that was important. In reality all decent brakes have more than enough power to lock up you wheels. As much as I wish I could say I only ever break 100% or not at all, the reality is most braking happens in the mid-range. A brake with insane outright stopping power can still potentially result in hand fatigue if they way it ramps up doesn't suit the trails you are riding. I learned this when doing the Code cams. Was riding a bunch of steep stuff with good traction and wanted to quicken up lever throw without losing outright power. Worked great there and did exactly what was intended. Later got onto some lower angle slippery trails and found my hands were getting more worn out than with the stock cam. Turns out you have to make the sacrifice of higher finger force in the mid-range to achieve the smaller lever throw with the same outright braking power.
And just to be clear, I’m not saying your brakes are only better because Magura’s are garbage, I just truly despise Magura and have no clue how people are riding them, let alone recommending them and touting their performance.
And just to be clear, I’m not saying your brakes are only better because Magura’s are garbage, I just truly despise Magura and have no clue...
And just to be clear, I’m not saying your brakes are only better because Magura’s are garbage, I just truly despise Magura and have no clue how people are riding them, let alone recommending them and touting their performance.
Sounds like a well rounded; objective opinion you have there
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
On the pinkebike article about the new meta v5 was a picture of the yet to be released GX T-Type. I was to slow to save the picture. It was listed on the signature model with a 5800$ price tag. Now the pictures are replaced with a xt build kit at the same price...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about (pun intended).
Can’t we just grow up and allow people to choose.
There’s plenty of good objective opinions on every side of the fence.…. could we please, please have another thread for reach opinions… on pb preferably
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about...
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about (pun intended).
Can’t we just grow up and allow people to choose.
There’s plenty of good objective opinions on every side of the fence.…. could we please, please have another thread for reach opinions… on pb preferably
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about...
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about (pun intended).
Can’t we just grow up and allow people to choose.
There’s plenty of good objective opinions on every side of the fence.…. could we please, please have another thread for reach opinions… on pb preferably
sorry, not trying to be a dick about it - Wheel size is a different kind of subject though- although i could argue reach is settling right in that "mullet zone" lol
On the pinkebike article about the new meta v5 was a picture of the yet to be released GX T-Type. I was to slow to save...
On the pinkebike article about the new meta v5 was a picture of the yet to be released GX T-Type. I was to slow to save the picture. It was listed on the signature model with a 5800$ price tag. Now the pictures are replaced with a xt build kit at the same price...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
Considering two Meta models come with the current ('old') GX cable actuated drivetrain, I kinda doubt there is going to be a GX Transmission that's not AXS.
Considering two Meta models come with the current ('old') GX cable actuated drivetrain, I kinda doubt there is going to be a GX Transmission that's not...
Considering two Meta models come with the current ('old') GX cable actuated drivetrain, I kinda doubt there is going to be a GX Transmission that's not AXS.
Yeah not a fan aye. I’m kinda glad shimano is way behind on the wireless stuff, more cable actuation for me!
Although their 12s has been problematic for me. The derailleurs last on the order of months to weeks depending on riding location. Maybe I’ll just dig out the old X01 11s along with that indestructible one piece cassette and drop some chainring teeth.
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
The Meta AM29 had a 495 reach compared to the 480 on the current one. Also the reason why I sold mine (for a bike with shorter reach and steeper hta), it was just too big.
I’m assuming he’s figuring his calipers are more powerful simply based off the fact Magura’s are temperamental, fragile, plastic landfill fodder.
Meta V5 is out, 160/150 bike
Huzzah for regular cable routing!
New white 36 too
https://www.commencalusa.com/commencal-meta-v5-essential-2-c2x40031843
External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?
Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are 435/436.8 in low/high for the 2 smallest sizes, but 440/448.8 for L and XL
I find it odd that they go down in travel and even the burlyness of the build to some extent compared with the old AM, maybe its a longer travel variant coming and this is more of a replacement for the tr version? This one just in between aligns much better with my interst but racers tend to run more travel aren't they? They dont even seem to allow a longer than 571mm long fork in the specs
on my AM29 I had 34.9 dropper
and some racers are going down in travel, rys verner won in Leogang on the Druid, Jesse Melamed was riding the Spectral for the first two rounds.
Seatpost is now a 34.9
Its 34.9 indeed, you are both right
Day 2 video update from Eurobike:
Charlie Murray also racing and getting in the top 10 on a stumpy eco with a lyrik on the front. I think some riders are finding the lighter/shorter bikes fit their ride styles better when it comes to getting through 30-40 minutes of racing, even if it means sacrificing a bit of speed in the gnarliest stuff they’re able to save some energy and keep their avg speed up across the whole course.
This is my last little quip for the day.
I don't have any beef with the material used for anything as long as it works properly. I've never had issues with the material on Magura brakes.
Once upon a time I thought max braking torque was the only thing that was important. In reality all decent brakes have more than enough power to lock up you wheels. As much as I wish I could say I only ever break 100% or not at all, the reality is most braking happens in the mid-range. A brake with insane outright stopping power can still potentially result in hand fatigue if they way it ramps up doesn't suit the trails you are riding. I learned this when doing the Code cams. Was riding a bunch of steep stuff with good traction and wanted to quicken up lever throw without losing outright power. Worked great there and did exactly what was intended. Later got onto some lower angle slippery trails and found my hands were getting more worn out than with the stock cam. Turns out you have to make the sacrifice of higher finger force in the mid-range to achieve the smaller lever throw with the same outright braking power.
Looks like the new Commencal Meta V5 is officially out
And just to be clear, I’m not saying your brakes are only better because Magura’s are garbage, I just truly despise Magura and have no clue how people are riding them, let alone recommending them and touting their performance.
Sounds like a well rounded; objective opinion you have there
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
On the pinkebike article about the new meta v5 was a picture of the yet to be released GX T-Type. I was to slow to save the picture. It was listed on the signature model with a 5800$ price tag. Now the pictures are replaced with a xt build kit at the same price...
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about (pun intended).
Can’t we just grow up and allow people to choose.
There’s plenty of good objective opinions on every side of the fence.…. could we please, please have another thread for reach opinions… on pb preferably
Here ya go: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/How-Much-Reach-is-Too-Much-Re…
sorry, not trying to be a dick about it - Wheel size is a different kind of subject though- although i could argue reach is settling right in that "mullet zone" lol
Its a sram part, allows you to conect the rear mech to the bosch motor, it exists since a couple years ago. Its OEM only I think
(one of) Vali's Boxxers at EB
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
Hi, I’m Ricky Bobby! And if you’re a bike company and your size large has a reach longer than 480 then fuck you!
Considering two Meta models come with the current ('old') GX cable actuated drivetrain, I kinda doubt there is going to be a GX Transmission that's not AXS.
Gx axs transmission is coming very soon!
along with a 38mm boxxer!
Yeah not a fan aye. I’m kinda glad shimano is way behind on the wireless stuff, more cable actuation for me!
Although their 12s has been problematic for me. The derailleurs last on the order of months to weeks depending on riding location. Maybe I’ll just dig out the old X01 11s along with that indestructible one piece cassette and drop some chainring teeth.
Keen to see how the supre drive gets adopted!
The Meta AM29 had a 495 reach compared to the 480 on the current one. Also the reason why I sold mine (for a bike with shorter reach and steeper hta), it was just too big.
Cool 😎
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