What would you like to see from a new one that isn't covered by the current one?
@Whattheheel so the red caliper with paint splatter version? Up to this point those used the current Code lever with the standard (DOT5) bleeding port... The DB8/Maven bleed port is quite different... How does that work considering you say it's mineral oil?
Sounds like buddy maybe just rode a properly bled and bedded in pair of codes for the first time (with the stealth levers). Amazing how proper brake maintenance and well setup rotors/pads with straight alignment can make a world of difference.
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps another new but related model on the way?
Edit: but maybe I'm misremembering?
Looks very good btw. Straight tt is such an improvement.
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps...
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps another new but related model on the way?
Edit: but maybe I'm misremembering?
Looks very good btw. Straight tt is such an improvement.
same CS on all sizes is a big no no for me, but finally a beautifull ibis at least
Sounds like buddy maybe just rode a properly bled and bedded in pair of codes for the first time (with the stealth levers). Amazing how proper...
Sounds like buddy maybe just rode a properly bled and bedded in pair of codes for the first time (with the stealth levers). Amazing how proper brake maintenance and well setup rotors/pads with straight alignment can make a world of difference.
THIS
It's amazing how many people I hear complaining about lack of power in their Codes. Then I get on their bike and their brakes feel like shit because of poor bleeds/setup and sticky pistons (major SRAM issue IMHO).
Also, the RSCs with the swing link are more powerful than the standard Code R and RS. Which I think is a mistake as it makes people thing that all Codes are weak.
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good brake. A Code RSC in my experience is a wonderful brake because it's anodized and thus has much less wear on the seals and pistons and dirties the fluid to a much lesser extent than the lesser models. I replaced all the pistons in the levers and calipers after 4 full seasons (the rear caliper pistons deform a bit, so I invested a small amount of money and refreshed the whole set), but only bled them twice in the mean time with the first bleed correcting the bad factory bleed. They are literally set and forget brakes in my experience.
Regarding sticky pistons, how often do people with these sticky pistons ride? I see people who don't ride their bikes with Sram brakes having very sticky brakes and people who ride regularly have no problems.
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good...
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good brake. A Code RSC in my experience is a wonderful brake because it's anodized and thus has much less wear on the seals and pistons and dirties the fluid to a much lesser extent than the lesser models. I replaced all the pistons in the levers and calipers after 4 full seasons (the rear caliper pistons deform a bit, so I invested a small amount of money and refreshed the whole set), but only bled them twice in the mean time with the first bleed correcting the bad factory bleed. They are literally set and forget brakes in my experience.
Regarding sticky pistons, how often do people with these sticky pistons ride? I see people who don't ride their bikes with Sram brakes having very sticky brakes and people who ride regularly have no problems.
Agree 100% on the code comments. Taking the time to bleed them correctly, and then properly bleeding the lever's if/when needed is critical. Regarding the stuck pistons. I find these tools to be immensely helpful on not just sram brakes, but all brakes. I've bought the whole set and it makes it every easy to un-stick, clean and lubricate pistons and bores. You still will need to replace the pistons at some point, but this tool will make that much less frequent. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1220259460/top-loading-brake-bleed-and-pis…
Regarding the HD6... I cannot believe they did not do size specific chainstays and the head tube lengths and resulting stack heights are absurd. I honestly am really struggling to see how this bike made it through the design phase like this with 28mm of reach growth per size and no adjustments to the rear center. The medium sized bike and the XL are going to feel like completely different bikes. Ibis... like it's 2016 all over again.
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good...
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good brake. A Code RSC in my experience is a wonderful brake because it's anodized and thus has much less wear on the seals and pistons and dirties the fluid to a much lesser extent than the lesser models. I replaced all the pistons in the levers and calipers after 4 full seasons (the rear caliper pistons deform a bit, so I invested a small amount of money and refreshed the whole set), but only bled them twice in the mean time with the first bleed correcting the bad factory bleed. They are literally set and forget brakes in my experience.
Regarding sticky pistons, how often do people with these sticky pistons ride? I see people who don't ride their bikes with Sram brakes having very sticky brakes and people who ride regularly have no problems.
Agree 100% on the code comments. Taking the time to bleed them correctly, and then properly bleeding the lever's if/when needed is critical. Regarding the stuck...
Agree 100% on the code comments. Taking the time to bleed them correctly, and then properly bleeding the lever's if/when needed is critical. Regarding the stuck pistons. I find these tools to be immensely helpful on not just sram brakes, but all brakes. I've bought the whole set and it makes it every easy to un-stick, clean and lubricate pistons and bores. You still will need to replace the pistons at some point, but this tool will make that much less frequent. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1220259460/top-loading-brake-bleed-and-pis…
Regarding the HD6... I cannot believe they did not do size specific chainstays and the head tube lengths and resulting stack heights are absurd. I honestly am really struggling to see how this bike made it through the design phase like this with 28mm of reach growth per size and no adjustments to the rear center. The medium sized bike and the XL are going to feel like completely different bikes. Ibis... like it's 2016 all over again.
Anyone know of a similar product to that one on Etsy but for magura mt7s?
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps...
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps another new but related model on the way?
Edit: but maybe I'm misremembering?
Looks very good btw. Straight tt is such an improvement.
same CS on all sizes is a big no no for me, but finally a beautifull ibis at least
I found the short and one size CS strange, as well as the low-ish stack heights, but I suppose they are designed to work together.
I noticed the Atherton 170 mullet also released today shares the same CS as the Ibis in the 480 reach, so maybe that's the sweet spot for a 170 mullet https://www.athertonbikes.com/am-170-1.html
Depends what you're looking for. I've got a Nomad 6, which has about 440mm CS for 450 reach in a medium, and it grows for larger sizes. I previously had a GG Megatrail that I mulleted which had the same reach but about a 432 CS. The short chainstay mullets cut in on corners (the difference in axle heights / wheel paths is more pronounced). The longer CS mullets feel more balanced or more like a single wheel size bike.
Ibis clearly wanted a more "nimble" handling bike, judging by the "steep" 64 head tube and short chainstays, but it doesn't change the fact that the CS really should be size specific. Santa Cruz says they use the same rear triangle for all sizes, but they tweak the location of the links relative to the BB to alter the CS length for different sizes.
New downtime podcast with Brook Macdonald is an interesting listen; he speaks a lot about the old Mondraker bike and how bad it was. Apparently just completely unpredictable to ride.
sounds like their new prototype is a welcome one, any idea what they’ve changed?
New downtime podcast with Brook Macdonald is an interesting listen; he speaks a lot about the old Mondraker bike and how bad it was. Apparently just...
New downtime podcast with Brook Macdonald is an interesting listen; he speaks a lot about the old Mondraker bike and how bad it was. Apparently just completely unpredictable to ride.
sounds like their new prototype is a welcome one, any idea what they’ve changed?
I remember in another podcast he did not like the GT Fury at all either. In this Shimano bike check video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLT-HK-YURs, he says about the '16 Fury :
"I think what makes this bike is umm... it's a pretty fast looking bike I think. I mean the colors in general look pretty good and umm, make it look fast." That's it, he said nothing else about it
So if he likes the new Mondraker, then it means it must be a good bike haha!
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63...
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.
New downtime podcast with Brook Macdonald is an interesting listen; he speaks a lot about the old Mondraker bike and how bad it was. Apparently just...
New downtime podcast with Brook Macdonald is an interesting listen; he speaks a lot about the old Mondraker bike and how bad it was. Apparently just completely unpredictable to ride.
sounds like their new prototype is a welcome one, any idea what they’ve changed?
He goes into a lot of detail about it in this "Making up the numbers" episode too (including about how much he hated their "center stem"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdmq5YVofY
OneUp just dropped a aluminum bar and direct mount stem.
https://www.oneupcomponents.com/products/aluminum-handlebar
https://www.oneupcomponents.com/collections/stems-1/products/direct-mount-stem
OneUp just dropped a aluminum bar and direct mount stem.
I know this has probably been covered elsewhere, but I’m very curious about these bars as I’m terrified of carbon bars but desperately want all the “compliance” possible out of my cockpit. Do the One Up 35 bars have a noticeable uptick in comfort over any random 31.8 bar, or is it just marketing fodder?
OneUp just dropped a aluminum bar and direct mount stem.
https://www.oneupcomponents.com/products/aluminum-handlebar
https://www.oneupcomponents.com/collections/stems-1/products/direct-mount-stem
OneUp just dropped a aluminum bar and direct mount stem.
I know this has probably been covered elsewhere, but I’m very curious about these bars as I’m terrified of carbon bars but desperately want all the...
I know this has probably been covered elsewhere, but I’m very curious about these bars as I’m terrified of carbon bars but desperately want all the “compliance” possible out of my cockpit. Do the One Up 35 bars have a noticeable uptick in comfort over any random 31.8 bar, or is it just marketing fodder?
Good question. I have the carbon OneUp on my bigger bike, and I feel like it has a touch more damping than the 31.8 Deity bar on my "trail" bike. I still have a touch of trepidation about that carbon bar, so I'm a little curious about this one.
(old?) Camo Maven on regular stealth levers. Mineral oil ones have been shown, so it's odd he was openly talking about it.
We saw tons of...
(old?) Camo Maven on regular stealth levers. Mineral oil ones have been shown, so it's odd he was openly talking about it.
We saw tons of Vivids pre season, but no single one in EWS or DH since?
Yeah I was wondering about the Vivid. I wonder if all that preseason testing uncovered some design flaw that they're fixing. I think I've only seen a couple in pit photos since then - the big name guys that were running the Vivid in preseason are all on coil or SD air.
OneUp just dropped a aluminum bar and direct mount stem.
https://www.oneupcomponents.com/products/aluminum-handlebar
https://www.oneupcomponents.com/collections/stems-1/products/direct-mount-stem
OneUp just dropped a aluminum bar and direct mount stem.
I know this has probably been covered elsewhere, but I’m very curious about these bars as I’m terrified of carbon bars but desperately want all the...
I know this has probably been covered elsewhere, but I’m very curious about these bars as I’m terrified of carbon bars but desperately want all the “compliance” possible out of my cockpit. Do the One Up 35 bars have a noticeable uptick in comfort over any random 31.8 bar, or is it just marketing fodder?
Good question. I have the carbon OneUp on my bigger bike, and I feel like it has a touch more damping than the 31.8 Deity bar...
Good question. I have the carbon OneUp on my bigger bike, and I feel like it has a touch more damping than the 31.8 Deity bar on my "trail" bike. I still have a touch of trepidation about that carbon bar, so I'm a little curious about this one.
I've run the carbon OneUps and Chromag OSX bars back-to-back to test and the OneUps were noticeably more comfortable/compliant than the Chromags. (I've got wrist issues and am fairly sensitive to bar differences so ymmv).
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63...
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63...
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.
Not a trail bike, but my Orbea Rallón R4 with a Superstar Slackerizer -2° headset sits at 61.5° when sagged, and there's no way I'm going back to the original 64.5° static HA!
What would you like to see from a new one that isn't covered by the current one?
@Whattheheel so the red caliper with paint splatter version? Up to this point those used the current Code lever with the standard (DOT5) bleeding port... The DB8/Maven bleed port is quite different... How does that work considering you say it's mineral oil?
It looked like it used standard bleed kit fittings and Defo said Code on it. All blacked out so I guess production is close.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ct975-1ywZM/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Ibis HD6 drops tomorrow.
Did it look like this? Then it's just the new Code Stealth brakes released back in March. The calipers are still the same, and they are DOT fluid.
https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/db-code-slv-c1
Sounds like buddy maybe just rode a properly bled and bedded in pair of codes for the first time (with the stealth levers). Amazing how proper brake maintenance and well setup rotors/pads with straight alignment can make a world of difference.
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps another new but related model on the way?
Edit: but maybe I'm misremembering?
Looks very good btw. Straight tt is such an improvement.
same CS on all sizes is a big no no for me, but finally a beautifull ibis at least
THIS
It's amazing how many people I hear complaining about lack of power in their Codes. Then I get on their bike and their brakes feel like shit because of poor bleeds/setup and sticky pistons (major SRAM issue IMHO).
Also, the RSCs with the swing link are more powerful than the standard Code R and RS. Which I think is a mistake as it makes people thing that all Codes are weak.
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good brake. A Code RSC in my experience is a wonderful brake because it's anodized and thus has much less wear on the seals and pistons and dirties the fluid to a much lesser extent than the lesser models. I replaced all the pistons in the levers and calipers after 4 full seasons (the rear caliper pistons deform a bit, so I invested a small amount of money and refreshed the whole set), but only bled them twice in the mean time with the first bleed correcting the bad factory bleed. They are literally set and forget brakes in my experience.
Regarding sticky pistons, how often do people with these sticky pistons ride? I see people who don't ride their bikes with Sram brakes having very sticky brakes and people who ride regularly have no problems.
Agree 100% on the code comments. Taking the time to bleed them correctly, and then properly bleeding the lever's if/when needed is critical. Regarding the stuck pistons. I find these tools to be immensely helpful on not just sram brakes, but all brakes. I've bought the whole set and it makes it every easy to un-stick, clean and lubricate pistons and bores. You still will need to replace the pistons at some point, but this tool will make that much less frequent. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1220259460/top-loading-brake-bleed-and-pis…
Regarding the HD6... I cannot believe they did not do size specific chainstays and the head tube lengths and resulting stack heights are absurd. I honestly am really struggling to see how this bike made it through the design phase like this with 28mm of reach growth per size and no adjustments to the rear center. The medium sized bike and the XL are going to feel like completely different bikes. Ibis... like it's 2016 all over again.
It's the lever piston that's the issue mostly when talking about stickiness.
As for piston movers, if anyone needs a similar tool and has access to a 3D printer, I have a model whipped up. Send a PM and I can share it.
Anyone know of a similar product to that one on Etsy but for magura mt7s?
Not Etsy but.. https://www.r3pro.co.uk/collections/piston-release-tools/products/pisto…
I found the short and one size CS strange, as well as the low-ish stack heights, but I suppose they are designed to work together.
I noticed the Atherton 170 mullet also released today shares the same CS as the Ibis in the 480 reach, so maybe that's the sweet spot for a 170 mullet
https://www.athertonbikes.com/am-170-1.html
Depends what you're looking for. I've got a Nomad 6, which has about 440mm CS for 450 reach in a medium, and it grows for larger sizes. I previously had a GG Megatrail that I mulleted which had the same reach but about a 432 CS. The short chainstay mullets cut in on corners (the difference in axle heights / wheel paths is more pronounced). The longer CS mullets feel more balanced or more like a single wheel size bike.
Ibis clearly wanted a more "nimble" handling bike, judging by the "steep" 64 head tube and short chainstays, but it doesn't change the fact that the CS really should be size specific. Santa Cruz says they use the same rear triangle for all sizes, but they tweak the location of the links relative to the BB to alter the CS length for different sizes.
New downtime podcast with Brook Macdonald is an interesting listen; he speaks a lot about the old Mondraker bike and how bad it was. Apparently just completely unpredictable to ride.
sounds like their new prototype is a welcome one, any idea what they’ve changed?
pit bits vid from VDS. weights on the nukeproof or something else?
I remember in another podcast he did not like the GT Fury at all either. In this Shimano bike check video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLT-HK-YURs, he says about the '16 Fury :
"I think what makes this bike is umm... it's a pretty fast looking bike I think. I mean the colors in general look pretty good and umm, make it look fast." That's it, he said nothing else about it
So if he likes the new Mondraker, then it means it must be a good bike haha!
That Brook interview on the old GT is amazing. He's clearly so bummed to be giving that interview.
Maybe I missed it,
What 130 trail bike has a 63 degree HA?
He goes into a lot of detail about it in this "Making up the numbers" episode too (including about how much he hated their "center stem"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdmq5YVofY
OneUp just dropped a aluminum bar and direct mount stem.
https://www.oneupcomponents.com/products/aluminum-handlebar
https://www.oneupcomponents.com/collections/stems-1/products/direct-mou…
I know this has probably been covered elsewhere, but I’m very curious about these bars as I’m terrified of carbon bars but desperately want all the “compliance” possible out of my cockpit. Do the One Up 35 bars have a noticeable uptick in comfort over any random 31.8 bar, or is it just marketing fodder?
Good question. I have the carbon OneUp on my bigger bike, and I feel like it has a touch more damping than the 31.8 Deity bar on my "trail" bike. I still have a touch of trepidation about that carbon bar, so I'm a little curious about this one.
(old?) Camo Maven on regular stealth levers. Mineral oil ones have been shown, so it's odd he was openly talking about it.
We saw tons of Vivids pre season, but no single one in EWS or DH since?
Yeah I was wondering about the Vivid. I wonder if all that preseason testing uncovered some design flaw that they're fixing. I think I've only seen a couple in pit photos since then - the big name guys that were running the Vivid in preseason are all on coil or SD air.
I've run the carbon OneUps and Chromag OSX bars back-to-back to test and the OneUps were noticeably more comfortable/compliant than the Chromags. (I've got wrist issues and am fairly sensitive to bar differences so ymmv).
My Marin Rift Zone. Sure, I fitted a Works Components headset to get that number, but trailbike travel w/ DH angles is super fun.
Not a trail bike, but my Orbea Rallón R4 with a Superstar Slackerizer -2° headset sits at 61.5° when sagged, and there's no way I'm going back to the original 64.5° static HA!
pit bits 1 gallery from vds - https://www.vitalmtb.com/pit-bits-1-2023-val-di-sole-world-cup-downhill
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