Those look a lot like fox compression valves on that vs proto shock. Obviously it's still in testing phase, and if he is using the dhx2 valves, it's out of convenience in order to dial in the architecture. Either way, I'm really interested in seeing what exactly Steve is trying to better/improve with his rear shock.
I'm stoked to try that thing out. I had a vorsprung tractive tuned super deluxe ultimate coil (that's a mouthful) on my v1 megatower that I just recently replaced with an 11/6. The 11/6 is better... by a very slim margin. Let's call it 3-5% better at over 300% of the cost of the tractive tuned super deluxe.
I spoke to Steve briefly about the shock when I was picking up some parts from him on a recent whistler trip. Sounded like it was 2024 release at the earliest. Either way, I'm hoping it slots in between the dhx 2 and the 11/6. If so, it would be the perfect setup at the right price.
Those look a lot like fox compression valves on that vs proto shock. Obviously it's still in testing phase, and if he is using the dhx2...
Those look a lot like fox compression valves on that vs proto shock. Obviously it's still in testing phase, and if he is using the dhx2 valves, it's out of convenience in order to dial in the architecture. Either way, I'm really interested in seeing what exactly Steve is trying to better/improve with his rear shock.
I'm stoked to try that thing out. I had a vorsprung tractive tuned super deluxe ultimate coil (that's a mouthful) on my v1 megatower that I just recently replaced with an 11/6. The 11/6 is better... by a very slim margin. Let's call it 3-5% better at over 300% of the cost of the tractive tuned super deluxe.
I spoke to Steve briefly about the shock when I was picking up some parts from him on a recent whistler trip. Sounded like it was 2024 release at the earliest. Either way, I'm hoping it slots in between the dhx 2 and the 11/6. If so, it would be the perfect setup at the right price.
I can confirm a read a comment reply from Vorsprung on IG that said available Q1 of 2024.
I’m definitely interested to try the shock. I really appreciate Steve’s attention to detail and all the information he produces on YouTube. But yes, what does he plan to do differently than what’s available on the market? I feel like they wouldn’t put out a shock unless it does something better than what’s available.
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a...
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a la demo if its a four bar or could even be a 6bar (dont think so) and have a rocker and the wishbone link like the new supreme. Also had some weird/unknown to me rotors.
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the...
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the Yeti Sixfinity models? And did it look like it had an idler?
There is a pivot where a classic horst pivot would be, then seatstays that connect to a "rocker" and inbetween the seatstay pivot and the rocker to seattube attachment there is a wishbone a la demo/supreme. Definitely no idler. Red are pivots. Green shock attachment. blue rear axle
Is that much different compared with a dirt bike rear brake mount? I guess this would make for good alignment granted frames are aligned in the...
Is that much different compared with a dirt bike rear brake mount? I guess this would make for good alignment granted frames are aligned in the first place
"granted frames are aligned in the first place" - yeah good luck with that, there is only a select few brands that have spot on alignment...
"granted frames are aligned in the first place" - yeah good luck with that, there is only a select few brands that have spot on alignment. Torque patterns are ment to help with such things but nobody pays any attention to that.
one example of poor alignment at its poorest was trek with the current gen slash, between twisted rocker pivots, poor boring/molding(aligning) of the lower shock holes combined with the extremely poor lower shock bearings(alignment and depth) - the bearings used to just seize almost instantly - not helped at all by the double trunnion shock cause horrid creaking and then the weld down the side of the downtube used to crack because of the stress,
The non trunnion versions,(slash 7) never really seen the issues, and they have now moved back to a tradition std eyelet for both.
(both the carbon and alloy versions had the issue but the carbon didnt crack but randomly broke the rocker by the main bolt/nut on the non drive side)
Dont even get me started on the oval holes on transition frames lol
Yes, this.
A system that relies on super precise alignment is never going to happen, because all the large brands like Specialized, Trek, Giant, Canyon, Commencal...
Yes, this.
A system that relies on super precise alignment is never going to happen, because all the large brands like Specialized, Trek, Giant, Canyon, Commencal, etc. who sell millions of bikes in general have absolutely terrible quality control. They could never successfully implement a system that relies on precise frame alignment.
But, correct me if I'm wrong here, isn't the entire point of this idea from Sram that it is minimising the effect of poor alignment/QC from frame manufacturers?
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a...
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a la demo if its a four bar or could even be a 6bar (dont think so) and have a rocker and the wishbone link like the new supreme. Also had some weird/unknown to me rotors.
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the...
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the Yeti Sixfinity models? And did it look like it had an idler?
There is a pivot where a classic horst pivot would be, then seatstays that connect to a "rocker" and inbetween the seatstay pivot and the rocker...
There is a pivot where a classic horst pivot would be, then seatstays that connect to a "rocker" and inbetween the seatstay pivot and the rocker to seattube attachment there is a wishbone a la demo/supreme. Definitely no idler. Red are pivots. Green shock attachment. blue rear axle
Based on your picture, that's the same layout as the current Enduro, right? Should be interesting.
Vivid could be a few years. Remember how long ago they were testing the new Boxxer? It's been in the wild for at least two years, and the Vivid was JUST first seen a few months ago. I would say spring 2024 at the earliest.
Saw the new vivid on a bike today at trailpark klínovec. The guy was an average joe too, so I'm guessing he must have gotten it from a bike factory or something. Means it should be close to release. Oh and I don't know if it's been said here or no, but it has adjustable HBO just like the coil super deluxe.
Uhm, since the Super Deluxe is being ridden on the WC, what more can a new Vivid offer? I mean, the previous Vivid had a pretty big gap performance-wise with the Monarch, but now with the SD???
Ok, so? Does this adjustability justify building another shock altogether? The SD has been proven in dh-teritory, with the Vivid which is exactly a dh-shock, no matter coil or air, what would we call the SD?
Don’t get me wrong, i’m all for new products and tech upgrades, just am wondering what Sram are thinking about.
P.s. i’m riding exactly a Vivid Air and am happy with it, so am all in for the model’s revival.
Clearly I'm not privy to details about the new shock, but given the architecture switcharoo to bring it in line with the coil version (and given that we've see the adjusters), an adjustable HBO is a benefit of the upcoming shock over the current air Super Deluxe. If there are any other changes, benefits or shortcomings (other than likely more difficult servicing since the air can can't be pulled off as easily as in the air Super Deluxe) I have no idea. I can only comment from what we've seen in the pictures shared in this thread...
I kind of doubt the adjustable HBO is the sole reason for a new model though... Maybe a different aircan architecture to tune the spring rate through the travel? More freedom with the spacers? Changes in the damping? Etc.
Most likely it will be similar to FOX: very similar damper architecture between the coil and air version of the shock, allowing to choose more easily between air and coil without basically having to switch to a different shock altogether (you can't get the exact same damper, but it can be very close). Also, the bigger air can might allow for more tunability/better performance. and the adjustable HBO is probably better for racing and for marketing. Just my two cents.
So rebound adjuster on top means it’s most likely a twin tube, interesting! I can’t wait to see what’s going on inside.
Ah Nevermind red knob in photo on reservoir bridge is probably an ending stroke rebound adjuster ala Vivid Air. Just reread some of Steve’s thoughts on Twin Tubes and doubt he’d go down that road.
Ah Nevermind red knob in photo on reservoir bridge is probably an ending stroke rebound adjuster ala Vivid Air. Just reread some of Steve’s thoughts on...
Ah Nevermind red knob in photo on reservoir bridge is probably an ending stroke rebound adjuster ala Vivid Air. Just reread some of Steve’s thoughts on Twin Tubes and doubt he’d go down that road.
Yeah It does look like a twin tube in the cutaway pics that have I found but I could not find any flow diagrams to confirm. Rockshox didn’t market it as a TT, but they did market the air spring side as a TT so it’s weird that they didn’t praise the gospel of the TT damper design like Öhlins and Fox and Cane Creek have.
More photos of the Vorsprung Shock
Or new slash
Those look a lot like fox compression valves on that vs proto shock. Obviously it's still in testing phase, and if he is using the dhx2 valves, it's out of convenience in order to dial in the architecture. Either way, I'm really interested in seeing what exactly Steve is trying to better/improve with his rear shock.
I'm stoked to try that thing out. I had a vorsprung tractive tuned super deluxe ultimate coil (that's a mouthful) on my v1 megatower that I just recently replaced with an 11/6. The 11/6 is better... by a very slim margin. Let's call it 3-5% better at over 300% of the cost of the tractive tuned super deluxe.
I spoke to Steve briefly about the shock when I was picking up some parts from him on a recent whistler trip. Sounded like it was 2024 release at the earliest. Either way, I'm hoping it slots in between the dhx 2 and the 11/6. If so, it would be the perfect setup at the right price.
I can confirm a read a comment reply from Vorsprung on IG that said available Q1 of 2024.
I’m definitely interested to try the shock. I really appreciate Steve’s attention to detail and all the information he produces on YouTube. But yes, what does he plan to do differently than what’s available on the market? I feel like they wouldn’t put out a shock unless it does something better than what’s available.
Sorry if this has already been posted but Deviate is racing a dual crown Claymore at WCDH
There is a pivot where a classic horst pivot would be, then seatstays that connect to a "rocker" and inbetween the seatstay pivot and the rocker to seattube attachment there is a wishbone a la demo/supreme. Definitely no idler. Red are pivots. Green shock attachment. blue rear axle
Kirk McDowell on a much more refined aurum(?) mule.
Most likely they don't have a DH bike for him yet, so they just rebranded the V10
But, correct me if I'm wrong here, isn't the entire point of this idea from Sram that it is minimising the effect of poor alignment/QC from frame manufacturers?
Claymore mould with stronger layup and a different link to give more travel.
Given the general state of the market are Focus even going to make a DH bike?
Based on your picture, that's the same layout as the current Enduro, right? Should be interesting.
Vivid could be a few years. Remember how long ago they were testing the new Boxxer? It's been in the wild for at least two years, and the Vivid was JUST first seen a few months ago. I would say spring 2024 at the earliest.
Sram MTB has a new product launch on Tuesday, July 11th
Where have you gotten that from?
So rebound adjuster on top means it’s most likely a twin tube, interesting! I can’t wait to see what’s going on inside.
Saw the new vivid on a bike today at trailpark klínovec. The guy was an average joe too, so I'm guessing he must have gotten it from a bike factory or something. Means it should be close to release. Oh and I don't know if it's been said here or no, but it has adjustable HBO just like the coil super deluxe.
The next time July 12th falls on a Tuesday is in 2033...
Uhm, since the Super Deluxe is being ridden on the WC, what more can a new Vivid offer? I mean, the previous Vivid had a pretty big gap performance-wise with the Monarch, but now with the SD???
Adjustable hydraulic bottom out on an air shock.
I think the current SD has this already does it not?
Not adjustable
Ok, so? Does this adjustability justify building another shock altogether? The SD has been proven in dh-teritory, with the Vivid which is exactly a dh-shock, no matter coil or air, what would we call the SD?
Don’t get me wrong, i’m all for new products and tech upgrades, just am wondering what Sram are thinking about.
P.s. i’m riding exactly a Vivid Air and am happy with it, so am all in for the model’s revival.
Clearly I'm not privy to details about the new shock, but given the architecture switcharoo to bring it in line with the coil version (and given that we've see the adjusters), an adjustable HBO is a benefit of the upcoming shock over the current air Super Deluxe. If there are any other changes, benefits or shortcomings (other than likely more difficult servicing since the air can can't be pulled off as easily as in the air Super Deluxe) I have no idea. I can only comment from what we've seen in the pictures shared in this thread...
I kind of doubt the adjustable HBO is the sole reason for a new model though... Maybe a different aircan architecture to tune the spring rate through the travel? More freedom with the spacers? Changes in the damping? Etc.
Most likely it will be similar to FOX: very similar damper architecture between the coil and air version of the shock, allowing to choose more easily between air and coil without basically having to switch to a different shock altogether (you can't get the exact same damper, but it can be very close). Also, the bigger air can might allow for more tunability/better performance. and the adjustable HBO is probably better for racing and for marketing. Just my two cents.
https://bikerumor.com/rimpact-is-developing-a-tuned-mass-damper-for-mou…
Ah Nevermind red knob in photo on reservoir bridge is probably an ending stroke rebound adjuster ala Vivid Air. Just reread some of Steve’s thoughts on Twin Tubes and doubt he’d go down that road.
Vivid was twin tube shock as well?
Like a Shake Weight for your bike!
Yeah It does look like a twin tube in the cutaway pics that have I found but I could not find any flow diagrams to confirm. Rockshox didn’t market it as a TT, but they did market the air spring side as a TT so it’s weird that they didn’t praise the gospel of the TT damper design like Öhlins and Fox and Cane Creek have.
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