I've run the carbon OneUps and Chromag OSX bars back-to-back to test and the OneUps were noticeably more comfortable/compliant than the Chromags. (I've got wrist issues...
I've run the carbon OneUps and Chromag OSX bars back-to-back to test and the OneUps were noticeably more comfortable/compliant than the Chromags. (I've got wrist issues and am fairly sensitive to bar differences so ymmv).
The shape of that bar is super unique and allows for more vibration damping in it. Without sounding too product preachy, it was that bar that...
The shape of that bar is super unique and allows for more vibration damping in it. Without sounding too product preachy, it was that bar that made us really rethink bar design and why our new alloy has a very similar profile to take the jar and buzz out of hits.
I've run the carbon OneUps and Chromag OSX bars back-to-back to test and the OneUps were noticeably more comfortable/compliant than the Chromags. (I've got wrist issues...
I've run the carbon OneUps and Chromag OSX bars back-to-back to test and the OneUps were noticeably more comfortable/compliant than the Chromags. (I've got wrist issues and am fairly sensitive to bar differences so ymmv).
The shape of that bar is super unique and allows for more vibration damping in it. Without sounding too product preachy, it was that bar that...
The shape of that bar is super unique and allows for more vibration damping in it. Without sounding too product preachy, it was that bar that made us really rethink bar design and why our new alloy has a very similar profile to take the jar and buzz out of hits.
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
The shape of that bar is super unique and allows for more vibration damping in it. Without sounding too product preachy, it was that bar that...
The shape of that bar is super unique and allows for more vibration damping in it. Without sounding too product preachy, it was that bar that made us really rethink bar design and why our new alloy has a very similar profile to take the jar and buzz out of hits.
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul...
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
angle of the joint of my hands is relaxed, or not. for me the difference in being able to ride through or needing to take a break for the hands
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul...
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul...
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul...
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
I switch to the PNW Range Bar with a 10° backsweep and it made a big difference over the 8° stock bars.
I'm curious to hear from other folks on this. Currently on renthal bars. I think they have 7° backsweep? I think I like the forward aggressive position they put me in. Been very curious about the pnw bars especially for the price!
I'm curious to hear from other folks on this. Currently on renthal bars. I think they have 7° backsweep? I think I like the forward aggressive...
I'm curious to hear from other folks on this. Currently on renthal bars. I think they have 7° backsweep? I think I like the forward aggressive position they put me in. Been very curious about the pnw bars especially for the price!
I ran both the high and mid rise version of the SQ Lab 12 degree bars. I was a die hard 9x5 degree guy before that. I have pretty horrible wrists and they definitely made a noticeable difference in wrist pain and hand fatigue while descending. On the flip side, they were actually more uncomfortable than “normal” bars while climbing for sustained periods of time (15+ minutes) as I felt like it bent my wrists awkwardly in a seated position as my elbows aren’t as spread open when not in attack position. I negated this by moving my hands inward and wrapping my thumbs around my brake lever clamps. I would definitely have continued to run them, but they don’t produce a high enough rise.
The shape of that bar is super unique and allows for more vibration damping in it. Without sounding too product preachy, it was that bar that...
The shape of that bar is super unique and allows for more vibration damping in it. Without sounding too product preachy, it was that bar that made us really rethink bar design and why our new alloy has a very similar profile to take the jar and buzz out of hits.
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul...
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
I've mentioned this before (I think it was in the cockpit thread?) but I swapped out a 40 mm Turbine R stem and a 35 mm rise Turbine R handlebar (5/8 deg sweep) for an aliexpress 35 mm stem and a 55 mm rise, 8/12 deg sweep bar (and moved a 20 mm spacer from above to under the stem). While the riding has improved (due to the bars being higher), because of the much reduced effective reach I'm riding much more off the back of the bike, which I feel is a negative. And I fear I'm more of a praying mantis than before, I'm worried a higher backsweep angles your elbows inwards.
I haven't done back to back testing yet, I'm saving it for a new bike, but this backswept bar needs a test with a 50 mm stem and/or I need to go back to a less swept bar.
Maybe move this debate to the bar height topic and rename said topic to 'general cockpit discussion'?
I'm curious to hear from other folks on this. Currently on renthal bars. I think they have 7° backsweep? I think I like the forward aggressive...
I'm curious to hear from other folks on this. Currently on renthal bars. I think they have 7° backsweep? I think I like the forward aggressive position they put me in. Been very curious about the pnw bars especially for the price!
I ran both the high and mid rise version of the SQ Lab 12 degree bars. I was a die hard 9x5 degree guy before that...
I ran both the high and mid rise version of the SQ Lab 12 degree bars. I was a die hard 9x5 degree guy before that. I have pretty horrible wrists and they definitely made a noticeable difference in wrist pain and hand fatigue while descending. On the flip side, they were actually more uncomfortable than “normal” bars while climbing for sustained periods of time (15+ minutes) as I felt like it bent my wrists awkwardly in a seated position as my elbows aren’t as spread open when not in attack position. I negated this by moving my hands inward and wrapping my thumbs around my brake lever clamps. I would definitely have continued to run them, but they don’t produce a high enough rise.
Can we move this discussion along to another thread please.....
Yep, you can see the additional pivot placements above and below the main pivot with the idler in the first photo. I'm guessing this CF1 implementation (no idler) is meant to provide similar benefits to the original CBF design with the center of curvature at the top of the chainring, but with lower anti-rise.
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul...
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
I've mentioned this before (I think it was in the cockpit thread?) but I swapped out a 40 mm Turbine R stem and a 35 mm...
I've mentioned this before (I think it was in the cockpit thread?) but I swapped out a 40 mm Turbine R stem and a 35 mm rise Turbine R handlebar (5/8 deg sweep) for an aliexpress 35 mm stem and a 55 mm rise, 8/12 deg sweep bar (and moved a 20 mm spacer from above to under the stem). While the riding has improved (due to the bars being higher), because of the much reduced effective reach I'm riding much more off the back of the bike, which I feel is a negative. And I fear I'm more of a praying mantis than before, I'm worried a higher backsweep angles your elbows inwards.
I haven't done back to back testing yet, I'm saving it for a new bike, but this backswept bar needs a test with a 50 mm stem and/or I need to go back to a less swept bar.
Maybe move this debate to the bar height topic and rename said topic to 'general cockpit discussion'?
Done. Although the title has been censored, Vital don't seem to like the word 'cockpit'.
Now back to tech rumours, has anyone heard anything about GT strengthening their DH frames? Asking on behalf of Roger Viera.
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul...
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
I've mentioned this before (I think it was in the cockpit thread?) but I swapped out a 40 mm Turbine R stem and a 35 mm...
I've mentioned this before (I think it was in the cockpit thread?) but I swapped out a 40 mm Turbine R stem and a 35 mm rise Turbine R handlebar (5/8 deg sweep) for an aliexpress 35 mm stem and a 55 mm rise, 8/12 deg sweep bar (and moved a 20 mm spacer from above to under the stem). While the riding has improved (due to the bars being higher), because of the much reduced effective reach I'm riding much more off the back of the bike, which I feel is a negative. And I fear I'm more of a praying mantis than before, I'm worried a higher backsweep angles your elbows inwards.
I haven't done back to back testing yet, I'm saving it for a new bike, but this backswept bar needs a test with a 50 mm stem and/or I need to go back to a less swept bar.
Maybe move this debate to the bar height topic and rename said topic to 'general cockpit discussion'?
Done. Although the title has been censored, Vital don't seem to like the word 'cockpit'.
Now back to tech rumours, has anyone heard anything about GT...
Done. Although the title has been censored, Vital don't seem to like the word 'cockpit'.
Now back to tech rumours, has anyone heard anything about GT strengthening their DH frames? Asking on behalf of Roger Viera.
I feel like if Brage can ride one, roger shouldn’t be worried. Unless he broke one at VDS since his last instagram story of him riding the bike im not really sure what you’re referring to.
I feel like if Brage can ride one, roger shouldn’t be worried. Unless he broke one at VDS since his last instagram story of him riding...
I feel like if Brage can ride one, roger shouldn’t be worried. Unless he broke one at VDS since his last instagram story of him riding the bike im not really sure what you’re referring to.
I feel like if Brage can ride one, roger shouldn’t be worried. Unless he broke one at VDS since his last instagram story of him riding...
I feel like if Brage can ride one, roger shouldn’t be worried. Unless he broke one at VDS since his last instagram story of him riding the bike im not really sure what you’re referring to.
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul...
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
I've mentioned this before (I think it was in the cockpit thread?) but I swapped out a 40 mm Turbine R stem and a 35 mm...
I've mentioned this before (I think it was in the cockpit thread?) but I swapped out a 40 mm Turbine R stem and a 35 mm rise Turbine R handlebar (5/8 deg sweep) for an aliexpress 35 mm stem and a 55 mm rise, 8/12 deg sweep bar (and moved a 20 mm spacer from above to under the stem). While the riding has improved (due to the bars being higher), because of the much reduced effective reach I'm riding much more off the back of the bike, which I feel is a negative. And I fear I'm more of a praying mantis than before, I'm worried a higher backsweep angles your elbows inwards.
I haven't done back to back testing yet, I'm saving it for a new bike, but this backswept bar needs a test with a 50 mm stem and/or I need to go back to a less swept bar.
Maybe move this debate to the bar height topic and rename said topic to 'general cockpit discussion'?
Done. Although the title has been censored, Vital don't seem to like the word 'cockpit'.
Now back to tech rumours, has anyone heard anything about GT...
Done. Although the title has been censored, Vital don't seem to like the word 'cockpit'.
Now back to tech rumours, has anyone heard anything about GT strengthening their DH frames? Asking on behalf of Roger Viera.
Oh man that's literally the worst case scenario. And one I haven't seen in quite some time I think. Honestly can't remember the last time I saw a bike snap at the headtube just from a heavy compression alone. Seems to be a very rare occurence nowadays. Usually when bikes snap, it's the result of a super gnarly crash.
Lol, I’m 100% ok with that. I prefer a 12 also. 🤷🏽
Just out of curiosity what do you think the main benefit of a 12° (or just more backsweep than normal) is? I’ve seen guys like Paul Aston and the NSMB guys preach about it but can’t really see how it would be that game changing. Is it just personal preference or do you believe there’s some performance gains made using more sweep than standard.
angle of the joint of my hands is relaxed, or not. for me the difference in being able to ride through or needing to take a break for the hands
This 100%
I switch to the PNW Range Bar with a 10° backsweep and it made a big difference over the 8° stock bars.
You guys add longer stems when using that much backsweep? Actual reach must be shortned a lot?
40mm stock replaced with 50mm PNW Range.
I'm curious to hear from other folks on this. Currently on renthal bars. I think they have 7° backsweep? I think I like the forward aggressive position they put me in. Been very curious about the pnw bars especially for the price!
Uh oh, we're verging on "Backsweep Rumors and Innovation."
Big Backsweep Boi. 12degrees is prime, I've done even 16 and liked it.
I ran both the high and mid rise version of the SQ Lab 12 degree bars. I was a die hard 9x5 degree guy before that. I have pretty horrible wrists and they definitely made a noticeable difference in wrist pain and hand fatigue while descending. On the flip side, they were actually more uncomfortable than “normal” bars while climbing for sustained periods of time (15+ minutes) as I felt like it bent my wrists awkwardly in a seated position as my elbows aren’t as spread open when not in attack position. I negated this by moving my hands inward and wrapping my thumbs around my brake lever clamps. I would definitely have continued to run them, but they don’t produce a high enough rise.
File the “backsweep” topic right next to the “should your handlebars be the same height as your seat when it’s fully extended” topic.
These are not tech rumors. These are subjective, personal preference, opinions based on anecdotal evidence.
Enough.
I've mentioned this before (I think it was in the cockpit thread?) but I swapped out a 40 mm Turbine R stem and a 35 mm rise Turbine R handlebar (5/8 deg sweep) for an aliexpress 35 mm stem and a 55 mm rise, 8/12 deg sweep bar (and moved a 20 mm spacer from above to under the stem). While the riding has improved (due to the bars being higher), because of the much reduced effective reach I'm riding much more off the back of the bike, which I feel is a negative. And I fear I'm more of a praying mantis than before, I'm worried a higher backsweep angles your elbows inwards.
I haven't done back to back testing yet, I'm saving it for a new bike, but this backswept bar needs a test with a 50 mm stem and/or I need to go back to a less swept bar.
Maybe move this debate to the bar height topic and rename said topic to 'general cockpit discussion'?
Can we move this discussion along to another thread please.....
Yep, you can see the additional pivot placements above and below the main pivot with the idler in the first photo. I'm guessing this CF1 implementation (no idler) is meant to provide similar benefits to the original CBF design with the center of curvature at the top of the chainring, but with lower anti-rise.
Done. Although the title has been censored, Vital don't seem to like the word 'cockpit'.
Now back to tech rumours, has anyone heard anything about GT strengthening their DH frames? Asking on behalf of Roger Viera.
I feel like if Brage can ride one, roger shouldn’t be worried. Unless he broke one at VDS since his last instagram story of him riding the bike im not really sure what you’re referring to.
Ummm… check the other site.
Woof…Spoke too soon
hope Roger’s alright after that. Bummed that happened to him, seems like a great dude trying his butt off to make it to the top.
Oh man that's literally the worst case scenario. And one I haven't seen in quite some time I think. Honestly can't remember the last time I saw a bike snap at the headtube just from a heavy compression alone. Seems to be a very rare occurence nowadays. Usually when bikes snap, it's the result of a super gnarly crash.
Didn't someone snap a Gambler a week or two ago?
yeah, but that gambler made contact with a tree, different scenario than snaping a frame while riding it like it's intended.
Paul Aston’s new Egerie Radical+
Looks to be based off the old Sunn DH race bike that he owns
Yeah. The Radical+
Fair point
val di sole bike abuse video for potential sleuthing
probably going to have 900mm reach and 1200mm chainstays
If it works for him thats his choice… pretty sure he’s a better rider than the vast majority of us in here.
Likewise I know what size of bike I like and I’m not going to ram it down everyones throat and get upset like some folk in here do.
Isn't this what people here have speculated is under the cover on the new Spec?
No.
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