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quick question, because i'm always wondering when seeing pictures of pros in action:

are they really running their levers so close to the handlebar with minimal throw that it looks like their on the brakes?

p6pb24977688

 pretty sure richie isn't braking on that part of the track.

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krabo83 wrote:
quick question, because i'm always wondering when seeing pictures of pros in action: are they really running their levers so close to the handlebar with minimal...

quick question, because i'm always wondering when seeing pictures of pros in action:

are they really running their levers so close to the handlebar with minimal throw that it looks like their on the brakes?

p6pb24977688

 pretty sure richie isn't braking on that part of the track.

I used to run my levers almost all the way out, no idea why. Now they’re much closer to the bar with a quick bite. The less you have to squeeze the better, in terms of fatigue/arm pump/finger pump etc. Kinda like cheater reps on a leg press, it’s much easier on the muscles to squeeze 2mm than 2 inches. On an after work trail ride? Not much difference. Pinned at 170bpm 6 times a day? Adds up. 
 

Richie in particular has stated in the past that he likes a very touchy brake lever. 

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I used to run my levers almost all the way out, no idea why. Now they’re much closer to the bar with a quick bite. The...

I used to run my levers almost all the way out, no idea why. Now they’re much closer to the bar with a quick bite. The less you have to squeeze the better, in terms of fatigue/arm pump/finger pump etc. Kinda like cheater reps on a leg press, it’s much easier on the muscles to squeeze 2mm than 2 inches. On an after work trail ride? Not much difference. Pinned at 170bpm 6 times a day? Adds up. 
 

Richie in particular has stated in the past that he likes a very touchy brake lever. 

thx for the reply!

yeah, i get that regarding armpump, im running my levers 12 clicks in from the farthest position but not even close to what i can see on that pic of richie, i think i might be on full brakes then. how is he able to modulate? maybe it's a different story because he's a physical monster and fast AF.

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jsray wrote:
I used to run my levers almost all the way out, no idea why. Now they’re much closer to the bar with a quick bite. The...

I used to run my levers almost all the way out, no idea why. Now they’re much closer to the bar with a quick bite. The less you have to squeeze the better, in terms of fatigue/arm pump/finger pump etc. Kinda like cheater reps on a leg press, it’s much easier on the muscles to squeeze 2mm than 2 inches. On an after work trail ride? Not much difference. Pinned at 170bpm 6 times a day? Adds up. 
 

Richie in particular has stated in the past that he likes a very touchy brake lever. 

krabo83 wrote:
thx for the reply! yeah, i get that regarding armpump, im running my levers 12 clicks in from the farthest position but not even close to...

thx for the reply!

yeah, i get that regarding armpump, im running my levers 12 clicks in from the farthest position but not even close to what i can see on that pic of richie, i think i might be on full brakes then. how is he able to modulate? maybe it's a different story because he's a physical monster and fast AF.

There's a "jump" at Ride Kanuga that Richie did.  If you see how fast you have to come into what was a non-existent berm...you'd understand he either has his brakes full on...or not at all.  Got places to be...no need to modulate. heh

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nice, that looks clean. only saw it on some commuter. u also got the embargo lift on the 19th?

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“Really in simplest terms, it is a six bar DW6 bike, but one of the pivots is a flex stay.” Great podcast on PB about the...

“Really in simplest terms, it is a six bar DW6 bike, but one of the pivots is a flex stay.”


Great podcast on PB about the new Pivot DH proto bike.

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/the-pinkbike-podcast-a-deep-dive-on-pivots-…

 

What is the difference between a DW6 with the Pivot on the chainstay or seat-stay??

I don't have linkage software to model it

6/16/2023 5:44pm
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nice, that looks clean. only saw it on some commuter. u also got the embargo lift on the 19th?

Sure did. Though I’m not on board with short travel e-bikes personally. If it has a motor it might as well have 160mm plus imo. I was actually hoping for a new sight. But at least there’s no cable tourism

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“Really in simplest terms, it is a six bar DW6 bike, but one of the pivots is a flex stay.” Great podcast on PB about the...

“Really in simplest terms, it is a six bar DW6 bike, but one of the pivots is a flex stay.”


Great podcast on PB about the new Pivot DH proto bike.

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/the-pinkbike-podcast-a-deep-dive-on-pivots-…

 

What is the difference between a DW6 with the Pivot on the chainstay or seat-stay??

I don't have linkage software to model it

If the link is on the chainstay, it's a 6 bar. If it's on the seatstay, it's a linkage driven 4 bar (ala Polygon). 

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Just been watching Dailed and noticed Rachel is back on the Trickstuff brakes this weekend 

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Just been watching Dailed and noticed Rachel is back on the Trickstuff brakes this weekend 

She probably ordered them 18 months ago and they just got delivered

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leogang bike abuse slowmo

 

 

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TimBud wrote:

Just been watching Dailed and noticed Rachel is back on the Trickstuff brakes this weekend 

She was on her e-bike, probably with last year parts 69151EAD-BF9B-4763-9237-226A76CBD033.jpeg?VersionId=lfpgAbe1D0oSvEUIR2 DoHvKM

 

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6/18/2023 1:29am
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New AXS rocker on Nino's bike?      

New AXS rocker on Nino's bike?

 

Axs rocker

 

That's interesting!

Makes a lot of sense. I noticed that quite a few pro-XC riders are running the original AXS shifters and OG rocker paddle with Transmission rather than the new pod. Me, I switched out to the optional rocker pretty quickly and am curious to see how the new pods feel in comparison.

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6/18/2023 3:30am Edited Date/Time 6/18/2023 1:17pm
sethimus wrote:

new bosch performance sx motor, 2kg, max 55nm incoming

On a norco too     

On a norco tooIMG 3857.jpeg?VersionId=bL0Z8LjwKO IMG 3855

 

I just got the e-Mail from Norco too. 

Looks like a new leightweight full-carbon e-bike then. Maybe Fluid VLT. Very weird move coming from a brand that has made a name for themselves caring about descending perfromance and handling first. I'm also not too excited about the fact that it's an e-bike to be honest, especially not about the stupid "eMbRaCe ThE eVoLuTiOn" marketing. No, mate. Hard pass on e-bikes.

But cool to see them switch to Continental tires.

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CamPaine wrote:
New AXS rocker on Nino's bike?      

New AXS rocker on Nino's bike?

 

Axs rocker

 

That's interesting! Makes a lot of sense. I noticed that quite a few pro-XC riders are running the original AXS shifters and OG rocker paddle with...

That's interesting!

Makes a lot of sense. I noticed that quite a few pro-XC riders are running the original AXS shifters and OG rocker paddle with Transmission rather than the new pod. Me, I switched out to the optional rocker pretty quickly and am curious to see how the new pods feel in comparison.

I hated the Transmission pod and switched back to the original after a couple of rides, here's hoping the new rocker works better for me.

Didn't this happen w/ the AXS Eagle pod too? They released a revision very quickly after the launch?

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6/18/2023 10:18am Edited Date/Time 6/18/2023 10:20am

I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even more need for a tactile feeling, operating a pair of levers, even if it is a short trow/soft click MUST be at least one of the offerings. They just need to "replicate" their mechanical shifting logic really.

 

Last gen rocker was not half bad IMHO

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6/18/2023 11:06am
bikelurker wrote:
I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even...

I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even more need for a tactile feeling, operating a pair of levers, even if it is a short trow/soft click MUST be at least one of the offerings. They just need to "replicate" their mechanical shifting logic really.

 

Last gen rocker was not half bad IMHO

Or literally just make 2 small buttons on the bar to the left of the grip. Like the Zirbel offering

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bikelurker wrote:
I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even...

I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even more need for a tactile feeling, operating a pair of levers, even if it is a short trow/soft click MUST be at least one of the offerings. They just need to "replicate" their mechanical shifting logic really.

 

Last gen rocker was not half bad IMHO

Rather than whinging, be the change you’d like to see in the world.  Nothing stopping you from designing, prototyping, building, testing, patenting, advertising, and selling your own.  I look forward to the opportunity of trying it…

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bikelurker wrote:
I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even...

I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even more need for a tactile feeling, operating a pair of levers, even if it is a short trow/soft click MUST be at least one of the offerings. They just need to "replicate" their mechanical shifting logic really.

 

Last gen rocker was not half bad IMHO

Onawalk wrote:
Rather than whinging, be the change you’d like to see in the world.  Nothing stopping you from designing, prototyping, building, testing, patenting, advertising, and selling your...

Rather than whinging, be the change you’d like to see in the world.  Nothing stopping you from designing, prototyping, building, testing, patenting, advertising, and selling your own.  I look forward to the opportunity of trying it…

Except millions of dollars, a lot of time and a bunch of patents.

@Sonofbovril2 buttons to the left of the grip sound much less ergonomic than a shifter pod under the handlebars if it's meant to be shifted using your thumb...

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bikelurker wrote:
I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even...

I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even more need for a tactile feeling, operating a pair of levers, even if it is a short trow/soft click MUST be at least one of the offerings. They just need to "replicate" their mechanical shifting logic really.

 

Last gen rocker was not half bad IMHO

They should stuff one of the haptic feedback motor things that Apple uses on Trackpads into the shift buttons… those things are crazy convincing!

Although I’d personally prefer a mechanical shifter and derailleur any day of the week.

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6/18/2023 4:09pm

Id quite like a shifter that i can shift with my Index finger only. we can already do it one way but why not both?
id happily pay big money that that - i hate having to move my thumb and put unnatural pressure on my thumb joint.

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Id quite like a shifter that i can shift with my Index finger only. we can already do it one way but why not both? id...

Id quite like a shifter that i can shift with my Index finger only. we can already do it one way but why not both?
id happily pay big money that that - i hate having to move my thumb and put unnatural pressure on my thumb joint.

you want those Shimano mtb brifters from 10 (?) years ago…hand jive all day long!

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6/18/2023 5:09pm
Id quite like a shifter that i can shift with my Index finger only. we can already do it one way but why not both? id...

Id quite like a shifter that i can shift with my Index finger only. we can already do it one way but why not both?
id happily pay big money that that - i hate having to move my thumb and put unnatural pressure on my thumb joint.

owl-x wrote:

you want those Shimano mtb brifters from 10 (?) years ago…hand jive all day long!

haha, id like an electric version thats just a small rocker - ive never been a fan of modern shifter design.

Wonder if i could 3d print a mount to reverse the AXS one with a custom rocker...

Time to get to work haha
 

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6/18/2023 6:30pm Edited Date/Time 6/18/2023 7:36pm

Hello everyone! I´m Vicente from Chile and I need your help!

THIS HAS BEEN EDITED BY ADMINS - vicente, i deleted your last post about this. tech rumors isn't that place for your help message. start your own thread please. - gordo

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6/18/2023 6:38pm

F*ck me this thread gets derailed so easily. Who cares about the difference in electronic shifter paddles. Who knows when we’re getting a 200mm AXS reverb?

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Id quite like a shifter that i can shift with my Index finger only. we can already do it one way but why not both? id...

Id quite like a shifter that i can shift with my Index finger only. we can already do it one way but why not both?
id happily pay big money that that - i hate having to move my thumb and put unnatural pressure on my thumb joint.

Then develop, and build it!

it’s a great idea, go after it

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bikelurker wrote:
I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even...

I dont understand what they are trying to achive, mechanical shifting ergonomics are pretty dialled, even Etap ergonomics closelly mimic doubletap... While mtbiking there is even more need for a tactile feeling, operating a pair of levers, even if it is a short trow/soft click MUST be at least one of the offerings. They just need to "replicate" their mechanical shifting logic really.

 

Last gen rocker was not half bad IMHO

Onawalk wrote:
Rather than whinging, be the change you’d like to see in the world.  Nothing stopping you from designing, prototyping, building, testing, patenting, advertising, and selling your...

Rather than whinging, be the change you’d like to see in the world.  Nothing stopping you from designing, prototyping, building, testing, patenting, advertising, and selling your own.  I look forward to the opportunity of trying it…

Primoz wrote:
Except millions of dollars, a lot of time and a bunch of patents. @Sonofbovril2 buttons to the left of the grip sound much less ergonomic than...

Except millions of dollars, a lot of time and a bunch of patents.

@Sonofbovril2 buttons to the left of the grip sound much less ergonomic than a shifter pod under the handlebars if it's meant to be shifted using your thumb...

Nothing but roadblocks from you eh….

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