Related to Jordan Williams not being on the new proto, I'd say they are fully custom frames and they have to figure out his ideal geos before giving it to him. But he most likely is on a longer reach frame, as the Demo is quite small (465 on the bigger size)
Re: Loris and Pirelli, remember that the Pirelli deal is with ALL Trek factory racing riders, which includes DH, Enduro, XC, road, and maybe even CX...
Re: Loris and Pirelli, remember that the Pirelli deal is with ALL Trek factory racing riders, which includes DH, Enduro, XC, road, and maybe even CX. This is a big big team deal and, despite being the top dog on the DH team, Loris is small potatoes compared to all the other Trek athletes who have no reason to not run the tires.
Re: flex stays, some of the old Felt carbon equilink bikes had flexstays that were neutral at sag. I raced the Virtue Nine with flex stays in 2014. The bike rode fine for me so I don't know what affect that had on ride quality or stress cycles, but it sure made it a PITA to take a shock out or put it back in.
Loris' mechanic said in the Vital Pit Bits from Lenzerheide when asked about the Pirellis:
"It's good, still need a bit more improvement to be ready to win races but... the guys want to have tires that win races."
Kind of a crazy admission from someone on the team payroll.
Re: Loris and Pirelli, remember that the Pirelli deal is with ALL Trek factory racing riders, which includes DH, Enduro, XC, road, and maybe even CX...
Re: Loris and Pirelli, remember that the Pirelli deal is with ALL Trek factory racing riders, which includes DH, Enduro, XC, road, and maybe even CX. This is a big big team deal and, despite being the top dog on the DH team, Loris is small potatoes compared to all the other Trek athletes who have no reason to not run the tires.
Re: flex stays, some of the old Felt carbon equilink bikes had flexstays that were neutral at sag. I raced the Virtue Nine with flex stays in 2014. The bike rode fine for me so I don't know what affect that had on ride quality or stress cycles, but it sure made it a PITA to take a shock out or put it back in.
Loris' mechanic said in the Vital Pit Bits from Lenzerheide when asked about the Pirellis:
"It's good, still need a bit more improvement to be ready...
Loris' mechanic said in the Vital Pit Bits from Lenzerheide when asked about the Pirellis:
"It's good, still need a bit more improvement to be ready to win races but... the guys want to have tires that win races."
Kind of a crazy admission from someone on the team payroll.
Interesting that Pirelli have sponsored so many DH teams when they don’t yet have a DH tire that is competitive? Besides Trek, they sponsor one of the Commencal teams and a Canyon team possibly?
wasn’t Fabian Barrel heavily involved in the Pirelli development?
Related to Jordan Williams not being on the new proto, I'd say they are fully custom frames and they have to figure out his ideal geos...
Related to Jordan Williams not being on the new proto, I'd say they are fully custom frames and they have to figure out his ideal geos before giving it to him. But he most likely is on a longer reach frame, as the Demo is quite small (465 on the bigger size)
This. The sizing of the current production Demo is a pathetic joke. The Demo run by the Specialized Gravity team are always fully custom (even though they have looked stock).
Re: Loris and Pirelli, remember that the Pirelli deal is with ALL Trek factory racing riders, which includes DH, Enduro, XC, road, and maybe even CX...
Re: Loris and Pirelli, remember that the Pirelli deal is with ALL Trek factory racing riders, which includes DH, Enduro, XC, road, and maybe even CX. This is a big big team deal and, despite being the top dog on the DH team, Loris is small potatoes compared to all the other Trek athletes who have no reason to not run the tires.
Re: flex stays, some of the old Felt carbon equilink bikes had flexstays that were neutral at sag. I raced the Virtue Nine with flex stays in 2014. The bike rode fine for me so I don't know what affect that had on ride quality or stress cycles, but it sure made it a PITA to take a shock out or put it back in.
Loris' mechanic said in the Vital Pit Bits from Lenzerheide when asked about the Pirellis:
"It's good, still need a bit more improvement to be ready...
Loris' mechanic said in the Vital Pit Bits from Lenzerheide when asked about the Pirellis:
"It's good, still need a bit more improvement to be ready to win races but... the guys want to have tires that win races."
Kind of a crazy admission from someone on the team payroll.
Interesting that Pirelli have sponsored so many DH teams when they don’t yet have a DH tire that is competitive? Besides Trek, they sponsor one of...
Interesting that Pirelli have sponsored so many DH teams when they don’t yet have a DH tire that is competitive? Besides Trek, they sponsor one of the Commencal teams and a Canyon team possibly?
wasn’t Fabian Barrel heavily involved in the Pirelli development?
I think some or most of the Pirelli DH athletes are actually running the Pirelli tires, so they probably in fact have a "competitive tire". I have a theory that most World Cup DH teams are not running production tires even if not marked like we've seen with some Maxxis ("Test Pilot") and Schwalbe ("First Ride") riders. The Continental teams for example: have you felt a production Continental DH casing? They feel fairly thin and the weight suggests they are. I'd compare the feeling to a Maxxis DoubleDown. I don't believe all Continental DH/Enduro athletes are running the production tires with as much success as we've seen (thinking of the Pivot and Nukeproof teams not to mention others).
With that theory in mind, Loris is coming from the Syndicate who have been known to develop special Maxxis tires systems. There was the breaker casing and some others over the years I believe. Coming from the Syndicate to Trek, maybe Loris has mandated/requested that he be allowed access to that Maxxis tech that he's most comfortable and competitive on?
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron, and Loris Revelli who are consistently getting top 30 results on the Pirellis.
Regarding what's inside the racers tires- who knows? I wonder the same thing about the new Conti's, because in my mind there's no way a 1200 gram 29" DH tire is winning Snowshoe or Hardline or Lenzerheide or even getting to the bottom of the track with air in it. Meanwhile Minnaar got two flats this weekend running 1400 gram Maxxis tires, or even heavier if he's running the prototype "Breaker" pinch flat barrier in them. With Michelin and Schwalbe getting good results by moving up to 1500 gram DH casings, and with 1300-1400 DD and DH casing Maxxis tires serving as the norm on the EWS, I think the stock 1200 gram Conti tires are pretty unbelievable as World Cup DH tires. But who knows.
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron...
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron, and Loris Revelli who are consistently getting top 30 results on the Pirellis.
Regarding what's inside the racers tires- who knows? I wonder the same thing about the new Conti's, because in my mind there's no way a 1200 gram 29" DH tire is winning Snowshoe or Hardline or Lenzerheide or even getting to the bottom of the track with air in it. Meanwhile Minnaar got two flats this weekend running 1400 gram Maxxis tires, or even heavier if he's running the prototype "Breaker" pinch flat barrier in them. With Michelin and Schwalbe getting good results by moving up to 1500 gram DH casings, and with 1300-1400 DD and DH casing Maxxis tires serving as the norm on the EWS, I think the stock 1200 gram Conti tires are pretty unbelievable as World Cup DH tires. But who knows.
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron...
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron, and Loris Revelli who are consistently getting top 30 results on the Pirellis.
Regarding what's inside the racers tires- who knows? I wonder the same thing about the new Conti's, because in my mind there's no way a 1200 gram 29" DH tire is winning Snowshoe or Hardline or Lenzerheide or even getting to the bottom of the track with air in it. Meanwhile Minnaar got two flats this weekend running 1400 gram Maxxis tires, or even heavier if he's running the prototype "Breaker" pinch flat barrier in them. With Michelin and Schwalbe getting good results by moving up to 1500 gram DH casings, and with 1300-1400 DD and DH casing Maxxis tires serving as the norm on the EWS, I think the stock 1200 gram Conti tires are pretty unbelievable as World Cup DH tires. But who knows.
GM being just about the heaviest rider on the circuit doesn't help his cause.
And as we get older, we get a little less "light" on the bike, so that's a double whammy for him.
Being a giant of a racer AND not as lithe and nimble over sharp objects can lead to banging a wheel way more than others.
I can't help but think he was burping his tire in those hard corners though. Super rigid rim. No insert. Big dude w/ ridiculous power & handling just spitting sealant out the side.
Conti 29" DH tires are 1300g and seem pretty tough to me so far, good damping, feels more substantial vs Maxxis DD for sure. Argotal DH Supersoft ft/ Soft rear has great traction in steep/loose and isn't bad at all on rock and hardpack. A friend just put on Argo DH SS front (replaced an Assegai Maxxgrip) and was also raving about the grip in loose conditions. In my limited experience so far the new Contis are excellent.
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron...
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron, and Loris Revelli who are consistently getting top 30 results on the Pirellis.
Regarding what's inside the racers tires- who knows? I wonder the same thing about the new Conti's, because in my mind there's no way a 1200 gram 29" DH tire is winning Snowshoe or Hardline or Lenzerheide or even getting to the bottom of the track with air in it. Meanwhile Minnaar got two flats this weekend running 1400 gram Maxxis tires, or even heavier if he's running the prototype "Breaker" pinch flat barrier in them. With Michelin and Schwalbe getting good results by moving up to 1500 gram DH casings, and with 1300-1400 DD and DH casing Maxxis tires serving as the norm on the EWS, I think the stock 1200 gram Conti tires are pretty unbelievable as World Cup DH tires. But who knows.
Not sure if you are insinuating the tires that the Pivot team used last year weren't production tires? Because they got tons of good results on them so it should be believable...
Have you tried the new Conti's DH tires? I have a lot of laps on them at Silver Mtn since I started using them last year and I've only gotten one flat. They certainly perform as well as any other DH Tire from Schwalbe, Maxxis, E13, or Kenda that I've ever used.
It definitely IS vittoria, they did a nice closeup of the branding when Hugo Frixtalon finished with a puncture.
They just released the new Mazza Enduro Race line which uses a super soft compound (but maybe for their DH program they run something custom). I have it at home and am a bit hesitant to put it on the bike. Definitely on the heavy side (around 1370g for the 29x2.4 version). Feels soft but in comparison to MaxxGrip which I have brand new here too, it is not on the same level, but hard to say if that is really the best indicator without riding it. The thread has a bit larger gaps on the pattern compared to their "normal" Mazza Enduro. You can get them already discounted at Universal Cycles for $66 a tire (usually $86).
A few things to reassure everyone on Conti tires (no affiliation whatsoever).
•Like @Dave113 said, the Argotal DH SS 29x2.4 weights 1300G or 1330g, I weighted them on a scale, but I can't find my notes.
•The Argotal DH has a burly sidewall and are the hardest tires I've ever put on a rim. No chance of burping (compared to their Enduro casing which is thin and easy to mount)
•I got those tires straight from the Continental booth at last year's MSA WC with racer's sealant still fresh into them. They were leaving them on a thrash can and told me "grab some, they're perfectly fine!"
•The SuperSoft compound is incredibly sticky. Like way stickier than E13's 40D Mopo compound that I've been also using.
Just a quick addition to tyres... How quickly do mtb tyres get old, anyone have any experience with that? I'm on a year old assegai and dhr 2 (roughly a year, not sure about the time scale) and I'm like a giraffe on ice if its damp or wet. Zero grip. Testing out some bikes last weekend with a new assegai and dissector or an addix soft magic mary in... Well slop, it was a a game changer, it's actually possible to ride in conditions like that!
Just a quick addition to tyres... How quickly do mtb tyres get old, anyone have any experience with that? I'm on a year old assegai and...
Just a quick addition to tyres... How quickly do mtb tyres get old, anyone have any experience with that? I'm on a year old assegai and dhr 2 (roughly a year, not sure about the time scale) and I'm like a giraffe on ice if its damp or wet. Zero grip. Testing out some bikes last weekend with a new assegai and dissector or an addix soft magic mary in... Well slop, it was a a game changer, it's actually possible to ride in conditions like that!
good question! i‘m running assegai maxgrip/dhr2 maxterra as my go to combo. normally i‘ll get about 6 months out of the reartire and about 1,5-2 seasons out of the front (i break way too much
).
i do really suck when it‘s wet and slippery, but that‘s 99% on me IMO.
maybe that‘s something for another seperate thread?
New and updated Rocky Mountain Slayer dropping today, 6pm GMT+2 (or whatever equivalent in your time zone).
Marketed as a "freeride" bike with 180mm of travel front and rear, dual crown compatible, small and medium sizes are mullet while large and extra large are full 29er, features three-position geometry adjustment. Geometry is ultra progressive with 63° HTA, 78° STA and 510mm reach and 1320mm wheelbase on the size XL. Size L gets 480 reach and 1280mm wheelbase.
New and updated Rocky Mountain Slayer dropping today, 6pm GMT+2 (or whatever equivalent in your time zone).
Marketed as a "freeride" bike with 180mm of travel...
New and updated Rocky Mountain Slayer dropping today, 6pm GMT+2 (or whatever equivalent in your time zone).
Marketed as a "freeride" bike with 180mm of travel front and rear, dual crown compatible, small and medium sizes are mullet while large and extra large are full 29er, features three-position geometry adjustment. Geometry is ultra progressive with 63° HTA, 78° STA and 510mm reach and 1320mm wheelbase on the size XL. Size L gets 480 reach and 1280mm wheelbase.
"Progressive geo" yet manage to use kids' bike sizes chainstays lol. Should be 435mm for the L and 445mm for XL (probably just a flip chip in the "long" setting). Yet another long bike that will be hard to corner without jumping on your stem, not because it is long, but just because it is unbalanced.
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron...
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron, and Loris Revelli who are consistently getting top 30 results on the Pirellis.
Regarding what's inside the racers tires- who knows? I wonder the same thing about the new Conti's, because in my mind there's no way a 1200 gram 29" DH tire is winning Snowshoe or Hardline or Lenzerheide or even getting to the bottom of the track with air in it. Meanwhile Minnaar got two flats this weekend running 1400 gram Maxxis tires, or even heavier if he's running the prototype "Breaker" pinch flat barrier in them. With Michelin and Schwalbe getting good results by moving up to 1500 gram DH casings, and with 1300-1400 DD and DH casing Maxxis tires serving as the norm on the EWS, I think the stock 1200 gram Conti tires are pretty unbelievable as World Cup DH tires. But who knows.
Hm, I would say this is very common misconception, that heavier tire is always more durable. If you compare older non tubeless maxxis dh casing tires with tlr dh casing, it's comical how flimsy that new tire feels despite being just as heavy or heavier than the old ones. And speaking of contis, old der baron apex dh was one of if not the lightest dh casing tire out there, while also being the most robust at the same time, crazy stiff sidewall which was the reason most people hated them outside of trials use where that stiffness gave it superb stability for of camber take offs. Tires are heavy if you use a lot of rubber, if you use stiffening compounds/inserts instead you get a whole lot lighter tire but vibration damping suffers.
What else beyond laziness is stopping Pirelli from producing a DH tire on par or exceeding maxxis? They probably spend more money producing and shipping tires for a North American f1 weekend than it would take to develop the best DH tires out there lol.
Being excellent in F1 tyre design is a whole different ball game to MTB or DH tyres. And regardless of the money available, money buys only so much time to speed up development. It will always take time regardless of the resources. And won't be complete until the product is proven at the top level. In WC racing.
Being excellent in F1 tyre design is a whole different ball game to MTB or DH tyres. And regardless of the money available, money buys only...
Being excellent in F1 tyre design is a whole different ball game to MTB or DH tyres. And regardless of the money available, money buys only so much time to speed up development. It will always take time regardless of the resources. And won't be complete until the product is proven at the top level. In WC racing.
Being excellent in F1 tyre design is a whole different ball game to MTB or DH tyres. And regardless of the money available, money buys only...
Being excellent in F1 tyre design is a whole different ball game to MTB or DH tyres. And regardless of the money available, money buys only so much time to speed up development. It will always take time regardless of the resources. And won't be complete until the product is proven at the top level. In WC racing.
You’re not wrong but I would imagine poaching some good development riders & designers wouldn’t be too difficult considering their financial resources.
About damn time considering they shift the gearboxes under full load on their end of line checks using powerful motors. Plus getting rid of the gripshift is an added benefit
Related to Jordan Williams not being on the new proto, I'd say they are fully custom frames and they have to figure out his ideal geos before giving it to him. But he most likely is on a longer reach frame, as the Demo is quite small (465 on the bigger size)
Loris' mechanic said in the Vital Pit Bits from Lenzerheide when asked about the Pirellis:
"It's good, still need a bit more improvement to be ready to win races but... the guys want to have tires that win races."
Kind of a crazy admission from someone on the team payroll.
Interesting that Pirelli have sponsored so many DH teams when they don’t yet have a DH tire that is competitive? Besides Trek, they sponsor one of the Commencal teams and a Canyon team possibly?
wasn’t Fabian Barrel heavily involved in the Pirelli development?
This. The sizing of the current production Demo is a pathetic joke. The Demo run by the Specialized Gravity team are always fully custom (even though they have looked stock).
I think some or most of the Pirelli DH athletes are actually running the Pirelli tires, so they probably in fact have a "competitive tire". I have a theory that most World Cup DH teams are not running production tires even if not marked like we've seen with some Maxxis ("Test Pilot") and Schwalbe ("First Ride") riders. The Continental teams for example: have you felt a production Continental DH casing? They feel fairly thin and the weight suggests they are. I'd compare the feeling to a Maxxis DoubleDown. I don't believe all Continental DH/Enduro athletes are running the production tires with as much success as we've seen (thinking of the Pivot and Nukeproof teams not to mention others).
With that theory in mind, Loris is coming from the Syndicate who have been known to develop special Maxxis tires systems. There was the breaker casing and some others over the years I believe. Coming from the Syndicate to Trek, maybe Loris has mandated/requested that he be allowed access to that Maxxis tech that he's most comfortable and competitive on?
Food for thought - I could be way off.
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron, and Loris Revelli who are consistently getting top 30 results on the Pirellis.
Regarding what's inside the racers tires- who knows? I wonder the same thing about the new Conti's, because in my mind there's no way a 1200 gram 29" DH tire is winning Snowshoe or Hardline or Lenzerheide or even getting to the bottom of the track with air in it. Meanwhile Minnaar got two flats this weekend running 1400 gram Maxxis tires, or even heavier if he's running the prototype "Breaker" pinch flat barrier in them. With Michelin and Schwalbe getting good results by moving up to 1500 gram DH casings, and with 1300-1400 DD and DH casing Maxxis tires serving as the norm on the EWS, I think the stock 1200 gram Conti tires are pretty unbelievable as World Cup DH tires. But who knows.
Dooley is Commencal / Schwalbe... https://www.instagram.com/austin_dooley_/
Dante is factory Canyon running Maxxis.
GM being just about the heaviest rider on the circuit doesn't help his cause.
And as we get older, we get a little less "light" on the bike, so that's a double whammy for him.
Being a giant of a racer AND not as lithe and nimble over sharp objects can lead to banging a wheel way more than others.
I can't help but think he was burping his tire in those hard corners though. Super rigid rim. No insert. Big dude w/ ridiculous power & handling just spitting sealant out the side.
Conti 29" DH tires are 1300g and seem pretty tough to me so far, good damping, feels more substantial vs Maxxis DD for sure. Argotal DH Supersoft ft/ Soft rear has great traction in steep/loose and isn't bad at all on rock and hardpack. A friend just put on Argo DH SS front (replaced an Assegai Maxxgrip) and was also raving about the grip in loose conditions. In my limited experience so far the new Contis are excellent.
Not sure if you are insinuating the tires that the Pivot team used last year weren't production tires? Because they got tons of good results on them so it should be believable...
Have you tried the new Conti's DH tires? I have a lot of laps on them at Silver Mtn since I started using them last year and I've only gotten one flat. They certainly perform as well as any other DH Tire from Schwalbe, Maxxis, E13, or Kenda that I've ever used.
They just released the new Mazza Enduro Race line which uses a super soft compound (but maybe for their DH program they run something custom). I have it at home and am a bit hesitant to put it on the bike. Definitely on the heavy side (around 1370g for the 29x2.4 version). Feels soft but in comparison to MaxxGrip which I have brand new here too, it is not on the same level, but hard to say if that is really the best indicator without riding it. The thread has a bit larger gaps on the pattern compared to their "normal" Mazza Enduro. You can get them already discounted at Universal Cycles for $66 a tire (usually $86).
Rocky dropping something tasty tomorrow......
A few things to reassure everyone on Conti tires (no affiliation whatsoever).
•Like @Dave113 said, the Argotal DH SS 29x2.4 weights 1300G or 1330g, I weighted them on a scale, but I can't find my notes.
•The Argotal DH has a burly sidewall and are the hardest tires I've ever put on a rim. No chance of burping (compared to their Enduro casing which is thin and easy to mount)
•I got those tires straight from the Continental booth at last year's MSA WC with racer's sealant still fresh into them. They were leaving them on a thrash can and told me "grab some, they're perfectly fine!"
•The SuperSoft compound is incredibly sticky. Like way stickier than E13's 40D Mopo compound that I've been also using.
Back to rumors!
maple syrup?
The new poutiner, smooth as gravy
Just a quick addition to tyres... How quickly do mtb tyres get old, anyone have any experience with that? I'm on a year old assegai and dhr 2 (roughly a year, not sure about the time scale) and I'm like a giraffe on ice if its damp or wet. Zero grip. Testing out some bikes last weekend with a new assegai and dissector or an addix soft magic mary in... Well slop, it was a a game changer, it's actually possible to ride in conditions like that!
good question! i‘m running assegai maxgrip/dhr2 maxterra as my go to combo. normally i‘ll get about 6 months out of the reartire and about 1,5-2 seasons out of the front (i break way too much
).
i do really suck when it‘s wet and slippery, but that‘s 99% on me IMO.
maybe that‘s something for another seperate thread?
It is, yeah... There's a Michelin thread already.
New and updated Rocky Mountain Slayer dropping today, 6pm GMT+2 (or whatever equivalent in your time zone).
Marketed as a "freeride" bike with 180mm of travel front and rear, dual crown compatible, small and medium sizes are mullet while large and extra large are full 29er, features three-position geometry adjustment. Geometry is ultra progressive with 63° HTA, 78° STA and 510mm reach and 1320mm wheelbase on the size XL. Size L gets 480 reach and 1280mm wheelbase.
pit bits vid from leogang
"Progressive geo" yet manage to use kids' bike sizes chainstays lol. Should be 435mm for the L and 445mm for XL (probably just a flip chip in the "long" setting). Yet another long bike that will be hard to corner without jumping on your stem, not because it is long, but just because it is unbalanced.
Someone should make a general tire thread with a shared google doc spreadsheet of price/weight/conditions/grip (x/10) etc.
In the latest pit bits video, Jordan Williams' mechanic confirms longer front and rear center on Jordan's bike.
Hm, I would say this is very common misconception, that heavier tire is always more durable. If you compare older non tubeless maxxis dh casing tires with tlr dh casing, it's comical how flimsy that new tire feels despite being just as heavy or heavier than the old ones. And speaking of contis, old der baron apex dh was one of if not the lightest dh casing tire out there, while also being the most robust at the same time, crazy stiff sidewall which was the reason most people hated them outside of trials use where that stiffness gave it superb stability for of camber take offs. Tires are heavy if you use a lot of rubber, if you use stiffening compounds/inserts instead you get a whole lot lighter tire but vibration damping suffers.
What else beyond laziness is stopping Pirelli from producing a DH tire on par or exceeding maxxis? They probably spend more money producing and shipping tires for a North American f1 weekend than it would take to develop the best DH tires out there lol.
Being excellent in F1 tyre design is a whole different ball game to MTB or DH tyres. And regardless of the money available, money buys only so much time to speed up development. It will always take time regardless of the resources. And won't be complete until the product is proven at the top level. In WC racing.
F1 tyres are shit, as requested by the FIA
You’re not wrong but I would imagine poaching some good development riders & designers wouldn’t be too difficult considering their financial resources.
pinion smarthshift electronic bits on the gamux proto DH bike. more pics etc here https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/pinion-smartshift-gamux-prototype-d…
About damn time considering they shift the gearboxes under full load on their end of line checks using powerful motors. Plus getting rid of the gripshift is an added benefit
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