About damn time considering they shift the gearboxes under full load on their end of line checks using powerful motors. Plus getting rid of the gripshift...
About damn time considering they shift the gearboxes under full load on their end of line checks using powerful motors. Plus getting rid of the gripshift is an added benefit
What tha fuq Primoz... you like electronic shifting now
New?! Michelin Wild Enduro tires? Can't see them mentioned anywhere online. Seems like there is additional model name MS, MH (but I'm not so familiar with Michelin).
For sure, gripshift < electronic < cable actuated trigger
In all seriousness, getting rid of the gripshift is a part of it. I guess gripshift could have been good back in the day, but with modern drivetrains and the way we ride bikes (index finger on the brake, thumb shifting the gear, holding the bars nicely and consistently) I feel the gripshift could be more of a hinderance than a benefit.
The main reason I was... looking forward to an electronic shifting system for the Pinion is the fact that the shifting mechanism is basically right there on the outside of the gearbox and fairly easy to get to. That and the above mentioned fact that they can shift it under full load. Based off a Pinkbike review (haven't ridden one myself...) apparently you load up the shifter going to an easier gear, then let up on the pedals for it to click over and actually shift. The pawl/clutches/whatever is engaging the gear wants to stay there, but nothing is preventing it from moving out of the way (unlike the ratchet in the freehub, where you normally have a wedge geometry preventing slippage)... Except enough force. I'm hoping they made the electronic version of the shifter strong enough to be able to shift under full power or close to it and thus improve the shifting performance compared to the cable actuated gripshift. That and improve ergonomics.
I have nothing against electronic shifting, if there's a benefit. There is a possibility of a benefit in this case.
@TimBud well played sir, well played.
For sure, gripshift < electronic < cable actuated trigger :P
In all seriousness, getting rid of the gripshift is a...
For sure, gripshift < electronic < cable actuated trigger
In all seriousness, getting rid of the gripshift is a part of it. I guess gripshift could have been good back in the day, but with modern drivetrains and the way we ride bikes (index finger on the brake, thumb shifting the gear, holding the bars nicely and consistently) I feel the gripshift could be more of a hinderance than a benefit.
The main reason I was... looking forward to an electronic shifting system for the Pinion is the fact that the shifting mechanism is basically right there on the outside of the gearbox and fairly easy to get to. That and the above mentioned fact that they can shift it under full load. Based off a Pinkbike review (haven't ridden one myself...) apparently you load up the shifter going to an easier gear, then let up on the pedals for it to click over and actually shift. The pawl/clutches/whatever is engaging the gear wants to stay there, but nothing is preventing it from moving out of the way (unlike the ratchet in the freehub, where you normally have a wedge geometry preventing slippage)... Except enough force. I'm hoping they made the electronic version of the shifter strong enough to be able to shift under full power or close to it and thus improve the shifting performance compared to the cable actuated gripshift. That and improve ergonomics.
I have nothing against electronic shifting, if there's a benefit. There is a possibility of a benefit in this case.
Rode a buddy's gearbox bike and it was an absolute nightmare to try to nail shifts to easier gears before sudden steep pitches...say going around a turn to transition onto a new trail or up out of a gully.
I'd be standing up on the pedals trying to keep it upright barely moving and begging the shifter to let me go to an easier gear.
It was on a Zerode.
I now await 5 pages of education on how simple it is and all the various techniques of why I should get my act together.
New?! Michelin Wild Enduro tires? Can't see them mentioned anywhere online. Seems like there is additional model name MS, MH (but I'm not so familiar with...
New?! Michelin Wild Enduro tires? Can't see them mentioned anywhere online. Seems like there is additional model name MS, MH (but I'm not so familiar with Michelin).
Spotted in Vital's Pit Bits. Looks like the Pivot uses an eccentric mounting between the seatstay and rocker? Guess it's just a way of fine tuning BB height, head angle etc.
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron...
I agree that the Pirelli DH tires appear to be at least rideable. The Canyon/Pirelli team has some serious young racers like Dante Silva, Antoine Pierron, and Loris Revelli who are consistently getting top 30 results on the Pirellis.
Regarding what's inside the racers tires- who knows? I wonder the same thing about the new Conti's, because in my mind there's no way a 1200 gram 29" DH tire is winning Snowshoe or Hardline or Lenzerheide or even getting to the bottom of the track with air in it. Meanwhile Minnaar got two flats this weekend running 1400 gram Maxxis tires, or even heavier if he's running the prototype "Breaker" pinch flat barrier in them. With Michelin and Schwalbe getting good results by moving up to 1500 gram DH casings, and with 1300-1400 DD and DH casing Maxxis tires serving as the norm on the EWS, I think the stock 1200 gram Conti tires are pretty unbelievable as World Cup DH tires. But who knows.
Just noticed that on Loris's bike, he's running the new Sram brakes with a 180mm rear rotor (Does he always run a 180 rear?). Or do we think that's a track specific change or possibly the new brakes so powerful that he can drop down in rotor size?
I remember when the original XT 4 pistons came out, they were so much more powerful than riders were used to that mechanics would sometimes put different substances on the rotors in an effort to make them have less "bite."
i guess we're expecting a couple tyres from Schwalbe, the Hunting Holly and the Tacky Chan, about the first one the Schwalbe guys at the Bike Festival told me already 2 months ago "wait a couple weeks"
Spotted in Vital's Pit Bits. Looks like the Pivot uses an eccentric mounting between the seatstay and rocker? Guess it's just a way of fine tuning...
Spotted in Vital's Pit Bits. Looks like the Pivot uses an eccentric mounting between the seatstay and rocker? Guess it's just a way of fine tuning BB height, head angle etc.
Same system that is run on their other bikes like the Switchblade and Firebird. Allows for adjustment of head angle/bb height
Interesting how many new tires are popping up right now and in the last year or so. Now the Schwalbe Tacky Chan and a new Michelin...
Interesting how many new tires are popping up right now and in the last year or so. Now the Schwalbe Tacky Chan and a new Michelin DH 16 as well:
BY "new DH16" you may just see the exact same tire from 15 years ago...but with updated casing. That tire worked back when courses were getting cut for races. Pretty useless side knob profile for the modern race tracks.
BY "new DH16" you may just see the exact same tire from 15 years ago...but with updated casing. That tire worked back when courses were getting...
BY "new DH16" you may just see the exact same tire from 15 years ago...but with updated casing. That tire worked back when courses were getting cut for races. Pretty useless side knob profile for the modern race tracks.
I do not think that they would reintroduce high roller/old dh16 type patterns again. It looks kinda shit.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of research into this and looked up all the various manufacturers claims and explanation as to why these should apparently make you faster. I did not find a single one of them convincing.
But back then I took it a little further and went through the the digital library of my University, which includes access to hundreds of scientific archives and databases, to look up the supposed "science" behind these products. In short, there seems to be basically no empirical research done to any sort of academic standard that documents any of the described effects outside the margin of error.
That being said, you'd be surprised how many people believe in these ridiculous claims. There's quite a few high-profile racers running these "magic pads", including Matthias Flückiger and I'm pretty sure I remember Loic Bruni having something like this on his bike at some point.
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of...
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of research into this and looked up all the various manufacturers claims and explanation as to why these should apparently make you faster. I did not find a single one of them convincing.
But back then I took it a little further and went through the the digital library of my University, which includes access to hundreds of scientific archives and databases, to look up the supposed "science" behind these products. In short, there seems to be basically no empirical research done to any sort of academic standard that documents any of the described effects outside the margin of error.
That being said, you'd be surprised how many people believe in these ridiculous claims. There's quite a few high-profile racers running these "magic pads", including Matthias Flückiger and I'm pretty sure I remember Loic Bruni having something like this on his bike at some point.
I’m glad you did a literature review to convince yourself, I wish more people did that kinda thing.
For me, none of those devices pass the sniff test. Red flag words for these scams include: Quantum, magnets, crystals, energy, etc.
If you think the stickers will make you faster, then you gotta check out the ENERGY POLARISER! Quite the bit of classic Australiana.
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of...
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of research into this and looked up all the various manufacturers claims and explanation as to why these should apparently make you faster. I did not find a single one of them convincing.
But back then I took it a little further and went through the the digital library of my University, which includes access to hundreds of scientific archives and databases, to look up the supposed "science" behind these products. In short, there seems to be basically no empirical research done to any sort of academic standard that documents any of the described effects outside the margin of error.
That being said, you'd be surprised how many people believe in these ridiculous claims. There's quite a few high-profile racers running these "magic pads", including Matthias Flückiger and I'm pretty sure I remember Loic Bruni having something like this on his bike at some point.
You’re insinuating that WC level racers are somehow smarter than the average person, not sure that’s the case.
most high level racers I know, know less about their bikes than the average person on the trail, they’re just fast af, not smart af. There are exceptions obviously, Melamed seems like he’s really into it, and his degree in engineering backs that up a bit.
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of...
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of research into this and looked up all the various manufacturers claims and explanation as to why these should apparently make you faster. I did not find a single one of them convincing.
But back then I took it a little further and went through the the digital library of my University, which includes access to hundreds of scientific archives and databases, to look up the supposed "science" behind these products. In short, there seems to be basically no empirical research done to any sort of academic standard that documents any of the described effects outside the margin of error.
That being said, you'd be surprised how many people believe in these ridiculous claims. There's quite a few high-profile racers running these "magic pads", including Matthias Flückiger and I'm pretty sure I remember Loic Bruni having something like this on his bike at some point.
You’re insinuating that WC level racers are somehow smarter than the average person, not sure that’s the case.
most high level racers I know, know less...
You’re insinuating that WC level racers are somehow smarter than the average person, not sure that’s the case.
most high level racers I know, know less about their bikes than the average person on the trail, they’re just fast af, not smart af. There are exceptions obviously, Melamed seems like he’s really into it, and his degree in engineering backs that up a bit.
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of...
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of research into this and looked up all the various manufacturers claims and explanation as to why these should apparently make you faster. I did not find a single one of them convincing.
But back then I took it a little further and went through the the digital library of my University, which includes access to hundreds of scientific archives and databases, to look up the supposed "science" behind these products. In short, there seems to be basically no empirical research done to any sort of academic standard that documents any of the described effects outside the margin of error.
That being said, you'd be surprised how many people believe in these ridiculous claims. There's quite a few high-profile racers running these "magic pads", including Matthias Flückiger and I'm pretty sure I remember Loic Bruni having something like this on his bike at some point.
You’re insinuating that WC level racers are somehow smarter than the average person, not sure that’s the case.
most high level racers I know, know less...
You’re insinuating that WC level racers are somehow smarter than the average person, not sure that’s the case.
most high level racers I know, know less about their bikes than the average person on the trail, they’re just fast af, not smart af. There are exceptions obviously, Melamed seems like he’s really into it, and his degree in engineering backs that up a bit.
The average person has probably taken fewer blows to the head...
I think it was Pierron rather than Bruni who had one of these sham products on his bike.
Could it be purely psychological advantage? Ie everyone is looking for ways to lose a second or less, is Loic is quicker and he turns up at a race with one, could he simply be trying to psych out the competition? We all know that mental headspace will make or break a run. 🤷🏻♂️
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of...
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of research into this and looked up all the various manufacturers claims and explanation as to why these should apparently make you faster. I did not find a single one of them convincing.
But back then I took it a little further and went through the the digital library of my University, which includes access to hundreds of scientific archives and databases, to look up the supposed "science" behind these products. In short, there seems to be basically no empirical research done to any sort of academic standard that documents any of the described effects outside the margin of error.
That being said, you'd be surprised how many people believe in these ridiculous claims. There's quite a few high-profile racers running these "magic pads", including Matthias Flückiger and I'm pretty sure I remember Loic Bruni having something like this on his bike at some point.
Placebo effect is a hell of a drug! There's an abundance of academic papers proving that.
Could it be purely psychological advantage? Ie everyone is looking for ways to lose a second or less, is Loic is quicker and he turns up...
Could it be purely psychological advantage? Ie everyone is looking for ways to lose a second or less, is Loic is quicker and he turns up at a race with one, could he simply be trying to psych out the competition? We all know that mental headspace will make or break a run. 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly if it does absolutely nothing but the rider thinks it does it's worth it. They asked Jordy a similar question about saying they made a change but didn't actually change anything. He said won't do it and fully respect the reason he gave but damn I bet there are time it would a useful tool. The mind is powerful and can be more powerful than something scientific. I know one weird one for me for a long time was I was faster and more comfortable riding with 3/4 or long sleeves than short sleeves. Having something on my elbow made me feel like they were protected. I know 100% they were not protected by a thin piece of fabric but in my mind while riding I felt protected and could push more.
What tha fuq Primoz... you like electronic shifting now
Anything to get rid of gripshift eh
New?! Michelin Wild Enduro tires? Can't see them mentioned anywhere online. Seems like there is additional model name MS, MH (but I'm not so familiar with Michelin).
Source https://www.pinkbike.com/news/bike-check-barca-prudkovas-unno-burn-endu…
@TimBud well played sir, well played.
For sure, gripshift < electronic < cable actuated trigger
In all seriousness, getting rid of the gripshift is a part of it. I guess gripshift could have been good back in the day, but with modern drivetrains and the way we ride bikes (index finger on the brake, thumb shifting the gear, holding the bars nicely and consistently) I feel the gripshift could be more of a hinderance than a benefit.
The main reason I was... looking forward to an electronic shifting system for the Pinion is the fact that the shifting mechanism is basically right there on the outside of the gearbox and fairly easy to get to. That and the above mentioned fact that they can shift it under full load. Based off a Pinkbike review (haven't ridden one myself...) apparently you load up the shifter going to an easier gear, then let up on the pedals for it to click over and actually shift. The pawl/clutches/whatever is engaging the gear wants to stay there, but nothing is preventing it from moving out of the way (unlike the ratchet in the freehub, where you normally have a wedge geometry preventing slippage)... Except enough force. I'm hoping they made the electronic version of the shifter strong enough to be able to shift under full power or close to it and thus improve the shifting performance compared to the cable actuated gripshift. That and improve ergonomics.
I have nothing against electronic shifting, if there's a benefit. There is a possibility of a benefit in this case.
Rode a buddy's gearbox bike and it was an absolute nightmare to try to nail shifts to easier gears before sudden steep pitches...say going around a turn to transition onto a new trail or up out of a gully.
I'd be standing up on the pedals trying to keep it upright barely moving and begging the shifter to let me go to an easier gear.
It was on a Zerode.
I now await 5 pages of education on how simple it is and all the various techniques of why I should get my act together.
Be the change you want to see in the world, or something
For those that never leave this page
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-2024-rocky-mountain-slayer.html
https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/Jason_Schroeder/blog/06/14/2023/entr…
https://nsmb.com/articles/2023-rocky-mountain-slayer/
I guess it might mean Medium Soft, Medium Hard.
You are right, these are not in their line up yet.
Spotted in Vital's Pit Bits. Looks like the Pivot uses an eccentric mounting between the seatstay and rocker? Guess it's just a way of fine tuning BB height, head angle etc.
my kryto fr dh was around 1350g
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005560254779.html
Just noticed that on Loris's bike, he's running the new Sram brakes with a 180mm rear rotor (Does he always run a 180 rear?). Or do we think that's a track specific change or possibly the new brakes so powerful that he can drop down in rotor size?
I remember when the original XT 4 pistons came out, they were so much more powerful than riders were used to that mechanics would sometimes put different substances on the rotors in an effort to make them have less "bite."
Interesting how many new tires are popping up right now and in the last year or so. Now the Schwalbe Tacky Chan and a new Michelin DH 16 as well:
i guess we're expecting a couple tyres from Schwalbe, the Hunting Holly and the Tacky Chan, about the first one the Schwalbe guys at the Bike Festival told me already 2 months ago "wait a couple weeks"
Same system that is run on their other bikes like the Switchblade and Firebird. Allows for adjustment of head angle/bb height
pit bits 1 gallery up. sorcery chips are back
https://www.vitalmtb.com/pit-bits-1-2023-leogang-world-cup-downhill
BY "new DH16" you may just see the exact same tire from 15 years ago...but with updated casing. That tire worked back when courses were getting cut for races. Pretty useless side knob profile for the modern race tracks.
I do not think that they would reintroduce high roller/old dh16 type patterns again. It looks kinda shit.
I can't believe this trend hasn't died out yet.
Some years ago during the first big covid lockdown here in Germany, I've put a bit of research into this and looked up all the various manufacturers claims and explanation as to why these should apparently make you faster. I did not find a single one of them convincing.
But back then I took it a little further and went through the the digital library of my University, which includes access to hundreds of scientific archives and databases, to look up the supposed "science" behind these products. In short, there seems to be basically no empirical research done to any sort of academic standard that documents any of the described effects outside the margin of error.
That being said, you'd be surprised how many people believe in these ridiculous claims. There's quite a few high-profile racers running these "magic pads", including Matthias Flückiger and I'm pretty sure I remember Loic Bruni having something like this on his bike at some point.
I’m glad you did a literature review to convince yourself, I wish more people did that kinda thing.
For me, none of those devices pass the sniff test. Red flag words for these scams include: Quantum, magnets, crystals, energy, etc.
If you think the stickers will make you faster, then you gotta check out the ENERGY POLARISER! Quite the bit of classic Australiana.
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/02/how-a-box-of-magic-crystals-brought-…
"Sorcery chips" lol you need to copyright that asap
You’re insinuating that WC level racers are somehow smarter than the average person, not sure that’s the case.
most high level racers I know, know less about their bikes than the average person on the trail, they’re just fast af, not smart af. There are exceptions obviously, Melamed seems like he’s really into it, and his degree in engineering backs that up a bit.
from their site
https://axxios-tech.com/testimonials-2/?lang=en
The average person has probably taken fewer blows to the head...
I think it was Pierron rather than Bruni who had one of these sham products on his bike.
Pretty sure Blenki also ran the "vibration damping" stickers for a while...
Pay me enough money and I'll put them on my bike too.
This article goes pretty deep on debunking the product.
https://singletrackworld.com/2017/08/magic-stickers-mystically-allegedl…
Could it be purely psychological advantage? Ie everyone is looking for ways to lose a second or less, is Loic is quicker and he turns up at a race with one, could he simply be trying to psych out the competition? We all know that mental headspace will make or break a run. 🤷🏻♂️
new bosch performance sx motor, 2kg, max 55nm incoming
Placebo effect is a hell of a drug! There's an abundance of academic papers proving that.
Exactly if it does absolutely nothing but the rider thinks it does it's worth it. They asked Jordy a similar question about saying they made a change but didn't actually change anything. He said won't do it and fully respect the reason he gave but damn I bet there are time it would a useful tool. The mind is powerful and can be more powerful than something scientific. I know one weird one for me for a long time was I was faster and more comfortable riding with 3/4 or long sleeves than short sleeves. Having something on my elbow made me feel like they were protected. I know 100% they were not protected by a thin piece of fabric but in my mind while riding I felt protected and could push more.
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