Why do you want the sport to be more professional? Having a bunch of crazy people slamming beers and holding chainsaws and airhorns WFO inches from...
Why do you want the sport to be more professional? Having a bunch of crazy people slamming beers and holding chainsaws and airhorns WFO inches from the track is badass. If you want professional go to a tennis match.
I don't have anything against this! I was at Mont Sainte-Anne a month ago and it was a crazy ambiance!
What I meant by more professional...
I don't have anything against this! I was at Mont Sainte-Anne a month ago and it was a crazy ambiance!
What I meant by more professional is more structured, big teams like commencal muc-off and such don't operate on small budgets so for them paying a higher entry fee doesn't necessarily harm them and if it works out like optimists are suggesting for 2023, we could maybe see the return of big money sponsors/brands within the next couple of years? (maybe not like supercross level but still).
Bro I was around it in the 90's/early 2000's, You wanted outside sponsors? Holy shit companies were literally throwing money at teams. The sports identity wasn't what I would call professional at all lol. It's just swings and roundabouts, back then MTB was the coolest thing since Kriss Kross and Baggy Jean shorts. What a time to be alive. Our time will come again.
Might be nothing, but I was in Les Gets for the worlds this weekend and I witnessed during Saturday night post-race party that Lucas Shaw was in discussion with Max Commencal. I don't know if it's common for other riders to go in the commencal pits to discuss with the big boss, so it could be nothing serious, but it really caught my attention... And yes I was sober at that time
Also, during final practice on Saturday morning, Fabien Barel and Thibaut Ruffin were discussing, I did not catch many things but it sounded like at some time in the conversation it was about "investing" in someone and the fact that a third party was making a bigger offer to attract this person (my understanding is that they were discussing about a rider)
Might be nothing, but I was in Les Gets for the worlds this weekend and I witnessed during Saturday night post-race party that Lucas Shaw was...
Might be nothing, but I was in Les Gets for the worlds this weekend and I witnessed during Saturday night post-race party that Lucas Shaw was in discussion with Max Commencal. I don't know if it's common for other riders to go in the commencal pits to discuss with the big boss, so it could be nothing serious, but it really caught my attention... And yes I was sober at that time
Also, during final practice on Saturday morning, Fabien Barel and Thibaut Ruffin were discussing, I did not catch many things but it sounded like at some time in the conversation it was about "investing" in someone and the fact that a third party was making a bigger offer to attract this person (my understanding is that they were discussing about a rider)
With the history Max has, I can imagine any rider would want to sit down and chat with him. He's been the low key coach of the starting line for 27+ years. Did he even race before? From the Sunn team in the 90's with Nico, ACC and CG, the first commencal moments with the Athertons to the current line up of 3+ teams of podium contenders, Max is likely responsible for more world cup podiums and titles than any other one person in mtb history. I'd want to chat with him as well!
Where's Pierron's contract at? He's top of the game right now for sure, pretty much favored to win any race, not just specific ones. I looked it up and he signed with Commencal/Muc-off when they were still Commencal/Valnord in 2018 as a relativity unknown frenchy who crushed a few podiums in 2017 after some top 40 results leading up to and a few Jr top 10's. Reading that release, they signed Myriam and Remi for 3 years at the time, but would they have giving Pierron a two year just in case he was a flash in the pan and then a 3 year in 2020 as a reup? I figure he's either up for a contract this year or next depending on how long that first one was.
One thing that has always perplexed me about Pro MTB is the secrecy behind contracts and earnings. Any other sport, be it baseball, Basketball, Rugby league here in Aus etc, it's open knowledge how long the contract is and usually the financials are open knowledge too. MTB seems very hush about this stuff and I understand it is written into the contracts themselves about non disclosure. I mean we ain't talking megabucks here compared to other sports. But perhaps the cloak of secrecy short changes these athletes in their ability to make maximum returns on what is a short career usually.
Even in the corporate world now, it 'aint as rude to ask what someone is earning now it seems.
He is definitely hot property that's for sure.
One thing that has always perplexed me about Pro MTB is the secrecy behind contracts and earnings. Any...
He is definitely hot property that's for sure.
One thing that has always perplexed me about Pro MTB is the secrecy behind contracts and earnings. Any other sport, be it baseball, Basketball, Rugby league here in Aus etc, it's open knowledge how long the contract is and usually the financials are open knowledge too. MTB seems very hush about this stuff and I understand it is written into the contracts themselves about non disclosure. I mean we ain't talking megabucks here compared to other sports. But perhaps the cloak of secrecy short changes these athletes in their ability to make maximum returns on what is a short career usually.
Even in the corporate world now, it 'aint as rude to ask what someone is earning now it seems.
There were some podcasts the last few seasons about contracts and earnings from some pros but it never seemed to gain much traction. It's not like what the average amount of sandwiches a regular Joe was getting thrown back in the 90's but I feel like smart top riders who invest properly are making a comfortable living after some years on top of the pack like Minnaar can afford a place next to CG, who up front against Minnaar had been flossing some prime Andorra real estate in the off season or Gwin who clearly earned some cheddar on the trek/spec/yt years and spent it with some thought. Not saying the reg outside the top podium/social media 20 (they are different things) are all making big bucks, but those with results in either camp are clearly doing ok but it would be nice to have a more structured system.
The one I wonder the most on is Wyn. In my eyes he can't possibly be earning enough for what he does for the sport. even mid results aside, he's next to Rob Warner in spirit and the only thing keeping pre and post race vibes alive even if he has middling race results, which he also is just fantastic to watch even if he's not a top rider and always has been in the best way. Imo, he's one of the most important people in the MTB world on DH and Enduro keeping the vibe alive and helping privateer racers keep going. Basically the most import person in gravity MTB media.
yep 100% agree with Wyn, if you are playing name association when it comes to the spirit of the sport, Wyno's would come to mind in most peoples I think. A great ambassador and a treasure to to his country and MTB as a whole.
Anyone Recon Kolb will get a big offer? Props to Atherton's, but a big team might be after him, he's proving to be a commodity. And Vali for TFR instead of SRAM? And who can forget Ronan Dunn
Anyone Recon Kolb will get a big offer? Props to Atherton's, but a big team might be after him, he's proving to be a commodity. And...
Anyone Recon Kolb will get a big offer? Props to Atherton's, but a big team might be after him, he's proving to be a commodity. And Vali for TFR instead of SRAM? And who can forget Ronan Dunn
I think both will continue with Atherton. They are a big team, definitely they have the budget to keep both of them. Top results for Charlie and Andreas this season, it looks like they found the setup that works for them. The bike is insane, I would live to try one.
Might be nothing, but I was in Les Gets for the worlds this weekend and I witnessed during Saturday night post-race party that Lucas Shaw was...
Might be nothing, but I was in Les Gets for the worlds this weekend and I witnessed during Saturday night post-race party that Lucas Shaw was in discussion with Max Commencal. I don't know if it's common for other riders to go in the commencal pits to discuss with the big boss, so it could be nothing serious, but it really caught my attention... And yes I was sober at that time
Also, during final practice on Saturday morning, Fabien Barel and Thibaut Ruffin were discussing, I did not catch many things but it sounded like at some time in the conversation it was about "investing" in someone and the fact that a third party was making a bigger offer to attract this person (my understanding is that they were discussing about a rider)
With the history Max has, I can imagine any rider would want to sit down and chat with him. He's been the low key coach of...
With the history Max has, I can imagine any rider would want to sit down and chat with him. He's been the low key coach of the starting line for 27+ years. Did he even race before? From the Sunn team in the 90's with Nico, ACC and CG, the first commencal moments with the Athertons to the current line up of 3+ teams of podium contenders, Max is likely responsible for more world cup podiums and titles than any other one person in mtb history. I'd want to chat with him as well!
Where's Pierron's contract at? He's top of the game right now for sure, pretty much favored to win any race, not just specific ones. I looked it up and he signed with Commencal/Muc-off when they were still Commencal/Valnord in 2018 as a relativity unknown frenchy who crushed a few podiums in 2017 after some top 40 results leading up to and a few Jr top 10's. Reading that release, they signed Myriam and Remi for 3 years at the time, but would they have giving Pierron a two year just in case he was a flash in the pan and then a 3 year in 2020 as a reup? I figure he's either up for a contract this year or next depending on how long that first one was.
In Feb this year Muc Off extended their sponsorship through till the end of 2024 of the Riding Addiction team that runs the Commencal/Muc Off program.
At the same time Myriam, Amaury and Thibaut signed contracts running through till the end of 2024, so those riders are sorted. Unless there is a release of their contracts at any point. Can't see that happening myself unless there were sponsorship issues or a huge offer from another team with mutual termination agreement.
'It is with great pleasure that we announce that Myriam Nicole, Amaury Pierron, and Thibaut Dapréla have all signed contracts with the team until the end of 2024'
Press release is in the 2022 team rumours thread and on Riding Addictions social media.
Might be nothing, but I was in Les Gets for the worlds this weekend and I witnessed during Saturday night post-race party that Lucas Shaw was...
Might be nothing, but I was in Les Gets for the worlds this weekend and I witnessed during Saturday night post-race party that Lucas Shaw was in discussion with Max Commencal. I don't know if it's common for other riders to go in the commencal pits to discuss with the big boss, so it could be nothing serious, but it really caught my attention... And yes I was sober at that time
Also, during final practice on Saturday morning, Fabien Barel and Thibaut Ruffin were discussing, I did not catch many things but it sounded like at some time in the conversation it was about "investing" in someone and the fact that a third party was making a bigger offer to attract this person (my understanding is that they were discussing about a rider)
With the history Max has, I can imagine any rider would want to sit down and chat with him. He's been the low key coach of...
With the history Max has, I can imagine any rider would want to sit down and chat with him. He's been the low key coach of the starting line for 27+ years. Did he even race before? From the Sunn team in the 90's with Nico, ACC and CG, the first commencal moments with the Athertons to the current line up of 3+ teams of podium contenders, Max is likely responsible for more world cup podiums and titles than any other one person in mtb history. I'd want to chat with him as well!
Where's Pierron's contract at? He's top of the game right now for sure, pretty much favored to win any race, not just specific ones. I looked it up and he signed with Commencal/Muc-off when they were still Commencal/Valnord in 2018 as a relativity unknown frenchy who crushed a few podiums in 2017 after some top 40 results leading up to and a few Jr top 10's. Reading that release, they signed Myriam and Remi for 3 years at the time, but would they have giving Pierron a two year just in case he was a flash in the pan and then a 3 year in 2020 as a reup? I figure he's either up for a contract this year or next depending on how long that first one was.
In Feb this year Muc Off extended their sponsorship through till the end of 2024 of the Riding Addiction team that runs the Commencal/Muc Off program...
In Feb this year Muc Off extended their sponsorship through till the end of 2024 of the Riding Addiction team that runs the Commencal/Muc Off program.
At the same time Myriam, Amaury and Thibaut signed contracts running through till the end of 2024, so those riders are sorted. Unless there is a release of their contracts at any point. Can't see that happening myself unless there were sponsorship issues or a huge offer from another team with mutual termination agreement.
'It is with great pleasure that we announce that Myriam Nicole, Amaury Pierron, and Thibaut Dapréla have all signed contracts with the team until the end of 2024'
Press release is in the 2022 team rumours thread and on Riding Addictions social media.
Nice. They're be crazy to let them go. The other team I wonder about is Dorval. While Cami and Benoit have exploded since signing with them and Monika is a top 5 threat on any day. Baptiste is also in there for top 10/20. It's been 3 years for Cami and 4 years for the rest so very possible any of those contracts are up for grabs as well.
With the history Max has, I can imagine any rider would want to sit down and chat with him. He's been the low key coach of...
With the history Max has, I can imagine any rider would want to sit down and chat with him. He's been the low key coach of the starting line for 27+ years. Did he even race before? From the Sunn team in the 90's with Nico, ACC and CG, the first commencal moments with the Athertons to the current line up of 3+ teams of podium contenders, Max is likely responsible for more world cup podiums and titles than any other one person in mtb history. I'd want to chat with him as well!
Where's Pierron's contract at? He's top of the game right now for sure, pretty much favored to win any race, not just specific ones. I looked it up and he signed with Commencal/Muc-off when they were still Commencal/Valnord in 2018 as a relativity unknown frenchy who crushed a few podiums in 2017 after some top 40 results leading up to and a few Jr top 10's. Reading that release, they signed Myriam and Remi for 3 years at the time, but would they have giving Pierron a two year just in case he was a flash in the pan and then a 3 year in 2020 as a reup? I figure he's either up for a contract this year or next depending on how long that first one was.
In Feb this year Muc Off extended their sponsorship through till the end of 2024 of the Riding Addiction team that runs the Commencal/Muc Off program...
In Feb this year Muc Off extended their sponsorship through till the end of 2024 of the Riding Addiction team that runs the Commencal/Muc Off program.
At the same time Myriam, Amaury and Thibaut signed contracts running through till the end of 2024, so those riders are sorted. Unless there is a release of their contracts at any point. Can't see that happening myself unless there were sponsorship issues or a huge offer from another team with mutual termination agreement.
'It is with great pleasure that we announce that Myriam Nicole, Amaury Pierron, and Thibaut Dapréla have all signed contracts with the team until the end of 2024'
Press release is in the 2022 team rumours thread and on Riding Addictions social media.
Nice. They're be crazy to let them go. The other team I wonder about is Dorval. While Cami and Benoit have exploded since signing with them...
Nice. They're be crazy to let them go. The other team I wonder about is Dorval. While Cami and Benoit have exploded since signing with them and Monika is a top 5 threat on any day. Baptiste is also in there for top 10/20. It's been 3 years for Cami and 4 years for the rest so very possible any of those contracts are up for grabs as well.
I think Camille's contract is up this year as she signed a new 2 year contract at the end of 2020 with Dorval
Coulange doesn't seem to be moving, here's a google translation excerpt from a recent french interview :
"since last year, a lot of teams have come to see (me), but for now, the objective is to stay in the team. I find that I am in the middle of a growth period so it would be silly to take the risk of breaking this, when everything is going well for the moment."
Coulange doesn't seem to be moving, here's a google translation excerpt from a recent french interview :
"since last year, a lot of teams have come...
Coulange doesn't seem to be moving, here's a google translation excerpt from a recent french interview :
"since last year, a lot of teams have come to see (me), but for now, the objective is to stay in the team. I find that I am in the middle of a growth period so it would be silly to take the risk of breaking this, when everything is going well for the moment."
Wonder if Cannondale will come back to DH? Or does Pon have enough going on in DH.
Who would cough up the coin for PFP if she's on the move - Specialized? Canyon? A different Canyon team? Trek's roster seems full... Or help launch a carbon Commencial.
Luke Meyer-Smith to Giant.
Anyone think Trek's DH roster will change?
In F1 you can buy your place in a team. That's not based on performance...I don't want to see the number of places in finals reduced...
In F1 you can buy your place in a team. That's not based on performance...I don't want to see the number of places in finals reduced. What we have now is very professional, of course there are some guys that are goofing around but I'm very sure that all of them are training very hard.
To buy your seat in F1 you still have to meet the same requirements as any other driver in F1, you may not be winning races, but you still need to meet the minimum requirements. This is much the same in DH, lots of teams will give you a bike, parts and maby help with travel, but you still need to be able to put down a minimum payment for them to give you enough 'support'.
Also, during final practice on Saturday morning, Fabien Barel and Thibaut Ruffin were discussing, I did not catch many things but it sounded like at some time in the conversation it was about "investing" in someone and the fact that a third party was making a bigger offer to attract this person (my understanding is that they were discussing about a rider)
Where's Pierron's contract at? He's top of the game right now for sure, pretty much favored to win any race, not just specific ones. I looked it up and he signed with Commencal/Muc-off when they were still Commencal/Valnord in 2018 as a relativity unknown frenchy who crushed a few podiums in 2017 after some top 40 results leading up to and a few Jr top 10's. Reading that release, they signed Myriam and Remi for 3 years at the time, but would they have giving Pierron a two year just in case he was a flash in the pan and then a 3 year in 2020 as a reup? I figure he's either up for a contract this year or next depending on how long that first one was.
One thing that has always perplexed me about Pro MTB is the secrecy behind contracts and earnings. Any other sport, be it baseball, Basketball, Rugby league here in Aus etc, it's open knowledge how long the contract is and usually the financials are open knowledge too. MTB seems very hush about this stuff and I understand it is written into the contracts themselves about non disclosure. I mean we ain't talking megabucks here compared to other sports. But perhaps the cloak of secrecy short changes these athletes in their ability to make maximum returns on what is a short career usually.
Even in the corporate world now, it 'aint as rude to ask what someone is earning now it seems.
The one I wonder the most on is Wyn. In my eyes he can't possibly be earning enough for what he does for the sport. even mid results aside, he's next to Rob Warner in spirit and the only thing keeping pre and post race vibes alive even if he has middling race results, which he also is just fantastic to watch even if he's not a top rider and always has been in the best way. Imo, he's one of the most important people in the MTB world on DH and Enduro keeping the vibe alive and helping privateer racers keep going. Basically the most import person in gravity MTB media.
https://youtu.be/M6iEikXwQNs?t=358
Who are you all calling as being the biggest "Free Agent" switch this upcoming offseason?
Ronan Dunn
Oli Zwar
Luke Meir Smith
Henry Kerr
And a few who will be thinking about their future
Dean Lucas
Brook
George Brannigan
Wyn
Cathro
At the same time Myriam, Amaury and Thibaut signed contracts running through till the end of 2024, so those riders are sorted. Unless there is a release of their contracts at any point. Can't see that happening myself unless there were sponsorship issues or a huge offer from another team with mutual termination agreement.
'It is with great pleasure that we announce that Myriam Nicole, Amaury Pierron, and Thibaut Dapréla have all signed contracts with the team until the end of 2024'
Press release is in the 2022 team rumours thread and on Riding Addictions social media.
Not sure on Benoit or the others
Cathro is sorted, Brian Park confirmed PBR will continue next year.
"since last year, a lot of teams have come to see (me), but for now, the objective is to stay in the team. I find that I am in the middle of a growth period so it would be silly to take the risk of breaking this, when everything is going well for the moment."
https://www.vojomag.com/interview-benoit-coulanges-jai-toujours-eu-ces-petits-reves-a-aller-chercher/
Who would cough up the coin for PFP if she's on the move - Specialized? Canyon? A different Canyon team? Trek's roster seems full... Or help launch a carbon Commencial.
Luke Meyer-Smith to Giant.
Anyone think Trek's DH roster will change?
Giant DH/enduro team is expanding
Camille Balanche has had probably the fastest progression in Downhill MTB since Palmer. I hope she gets the best possible contract out there.
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