I was in Maydena in January and talked to someone who had one, he was raving about it. Said he’ll never ride a bike without one...
I was in Maydena in January and talked to someone who had one, he was raving about it. Said he’ll never ride a bike without one ever again, also said arm pump is never an issue anymore with it.
As for cost I’m pretty sure the dampener costs almost as much as the fork you’re installing it on. He was probably talking Australian dollars, not USD, so maybe a bit less, was trying to see if i could get my hands on one, but that price he mentioned put me off for the time being.
I was in Maydena in January and talked to someone who had one, he was raving about it. Said he’ll never ride a bike without one...
I was in Maydena in January and talked to someone who had one, he was raving about it. Said he’ll never ride a bike without one ever again, also said arm pump is never an issue anymore with it.
As for cost I’m pretty sure the dampener costs almost as much as the fork you’re installing it on. He was probably talking Australian dollars, not USD, so maybe a bit less, was trying to see if i could get my hands on one, but that price he mentioned put me off for the time being.
I was in Maydena in January and talked to someone who had one, he was raving about it. Said he’ll never ride a bike without one...
I was in Maydena in January and talked to someone who had one, he was raving about it. Said he’ll never ride a bike without one ever again, also said arm pump is never an issue anymore with it.
As for cost I’m pretty sure the dampener costs almost as much as the fork you’re installing it on. He was probably talking Australian dollars, not USD, so maybe a bit less, was trying to see if i could get my hands on one, but that price he mentioned put me off for the time being.
not high level, but shimano dropped ESSA today - 8-speed budget drivetrain
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/shimano-introduces-essa-front-single-8-speed-drivetrain-active-entry-level-cyclists-affordable-price
not high level, but shimano dropped ESSA today - 8-speed budget drivetrain
So Yeti is a DW (suspension link designed by Dave Weagle) historical DW bikes don’t really change such as Ibis, Yeti, Evil. But recent years that...
So Yeti is a DW (suspension link designed by Dave Weagle) historical DW bikes don’t really change such as Ibis, Yeti, Evil. But recent years that hasn’t been 100% true. With Pivot changing their whole line up to a new platform with some of the same DW attributes. Or Devinci changing all their bikes to all 4 bar horst link.
TL;DR: maybe, but I wouldn’t count on it. I definitely wouldn’t count on it being anything other than a DWish platform.
Ibis and Pivot utilize DW Link
Yeti isn't DW Link
Evil isn't DW Link, they're linkage driven single pivot
Devinci were never DW Link, they're Split Pivot...
Ibis and Pivot utilize DW Link
Yeti isn't DW Link
Evil isn't DW Link, they're linkage driven single pivot
Devinci were never DW Link, they're Split Pivot
Being designed by Dave Weagle does not make something a DW Link
Evil's D.E.L.T.A link stands for "Daves' Entirely Legitimate Travel Apparatus". Not a DW Link.
So Yeti is a DW (suspension link designed by Dave Weagle) historical DW bikes don’t really change such as Ibis, Yeti, Evil. But recent years that...
So Yeti is a DW (suspension link designed by Dave Weagle) historical DW bikes don’t really change such as Ibis, Yeti, Evil. But recent years that hasn’t been 100% true. With Pivot changing their whole line up to a new platform with some of the same DW attributes. Or Devinci changing all their bikes to all 4 bar horst link.
TL;DR: maybe, but I wouldn’t count on it. I definitely wouldn’t count on it being anything other than a DWish platform.
Ibis and Pivot utilize DW Link
Yeti isn't DW Link
Evil isn't DW Link, they're linkage driven single pivot
Devinci were never DW Link, they're Split Pivot...
Ibis and Pivot utilize DW Link
Yeti isn't DW Link
Evil isn't DW Link, they're linkage driven single pivot
Devinci were never DW Link, they're Split Pivot
Being designed by Dave Weagle does not make something a DW Link
Ibis and Pivot utilize DW Link
Yeti isn't DW Link
Evil isn't DW Link, they're linkage driven single pivot
Devinci were never DW Link, they're Split Pivot...
Ibis and Pivot utilize DW Link
Yeti isn't DW Link
Evil isn't DW Link, they're linkage driven single pivot
Devinci were never DW Link, they're Split Pivot
Being designed by Dave Weagle does not make something a DW Link
So Yeti is a DW (suspension link designed by Dave Weagle) historical DW bikes don’t really change such as Ibis, Yeti, Evil. But recent years that...
So Yeti is a DW (suspension link designed by Dave Weagle) historical DW bikes don’t really change such as Ibis, Yeti, Evil. But recent years that hasn’t been 100% true. With Pivot changing their whole line up to a new platform with some of the same DW attributes. Or Devinci changing all their bikes to all 4 bar horst link.
TL;DR: maybe, but I wouldn’t count on it. I definitely wouldn’t count on it being anything other than a DWish platform.
Ibis and Pivot utilize DW Link
Yeti isn't DW Link
Evil isn't DW Link, they're linkage driven single pivot
Devinci were never DW Link, they're Split Pivot...
Ibis and Pivot utilize DW Link
Yeti isn't DW Link
Evil isn't DW Link, they're linkage driven single pivot
Devinci were never DW Link, they're Split Pivot
Being designed by Dave Weagle does not make something a DW Link
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.
Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything...
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.
Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything up with Acros
Definitely an ebike, you can see the small Shimano screen and the thrid cable between the front brake and the dropper remote
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.
Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything...
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.
Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything up with Acros
The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I got the bike).
To their credit Propain sent a replacement but I replaced it with a King headset that has been trouble free for more than a year.
Not being able to swap the acros headset is a deal breaker.
On the other hand, the pivot hardware has been excellent. Still running like new.
Yeti's Switch isn't a DW design. It's actually a DE design, as in David Earle of Sotto Group. Same homie behind the Sine sus on Alchemy (in itself just a var. of Switch). There are more Dave's involved in suspension design than just Weagle Beagle.
“Dampener” is the verbiage equivalent of counting clicks from open and helmets with removable chin bars.
"Dampener" is the equivalent of putting your fork on backwards. We owe these people a heads up. Whether they choose to listen is their choice. And yes, this is a real image from an issue of Men's Health.
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker.
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks...
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker.
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks...
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker.
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks...
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker.
“Dampener” is the verbiage equivalent of counting clicks from open and helmets with removable chin bars.
To preface this comment, I do count my clicks from closed. That said, I do think it makes more sense to count from open. You would think that the most uninhibited setting would be where you would want to start, but that's just my two cents.
To preface this comment, I do count my clicks from closed. That said, I do think it makes more sense to count from open. You would...
To preface this comment, I do count my clicks from closed. That said, I do think it makes more sense to count from open. You would think that the most uninhibited setting would be where you would want to start, but that's just my two cents.
You don't count from open because of the tolerances. Most (all?) dampers are designed in a way where fully closed is the end stop. So counting from fully closed gives you equal settings across items from the same product line. So 5 clicks from closed is the same on all grip2 38s. With tolerances playing a role it might not be the same when counting 5 clicks from open.
Your two cents do have logic behind it but it's sadly somewhat incomplete as it doesn't take the actual product and/or manufacturing it into account. That's the crux of why you should count from closed.
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.
Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything...
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.
Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything up with Acros
The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I...
The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I got the bike).
To their credit Propain sent a replacement but I replaced it with a King headset that has been trouble free for more than a year.
Not being able to swap the acros headset is a deal breaker.
On the other hand, the pivot hardware has been excellent. Still running like new.
that's why i'm pissed they are doing that shit cable routing, bikes are well spec, great price, ride amazing, but that thing is a deal breaker
I instructed my friend to get an aluminium Tyee just to be able to run normal internal routing. The carbon verison is headset only...
How are his rear triangle tolerances?
The propain (and propain accessories) I've seen people ride have developed a lot of play with their rear triangle. We thought it was because it's a solid rear triangle with the links Infront of the bottom bracket which gives it an even bigger leverage to develop play than a normal dual link design.
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.
Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything...
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.
Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything up with Acros
The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I...
The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I got the bike).
To their credit Propain sent a replacement but I replaced it with a King headset that has been trouble free for more than a year.
Not being able to swap the acros headset is a deal breaker.
On the other hand, the pivot hardware has been excellent. Still running like new.
that's why i'm pissed they are doing that shit cable routing, bikes are well spec, great price, ride amazing, but that thing is a deal breaker
Same.
I am very happy with my Hugene but I have had 2 issues with it in just under 2 years.
1st was the headset which was clearly a defect since it died early on.
The second was I broke the lower pivot bolt that is right behind the chainring.
Customer service has been mixed. With the headset Propain sent a replacement quickly and easily, minimal fuss.
With the broken pivot bolt in January 2024, I had to schedule a call to even speak to a rep. I cheated and found the VP of Propain US's contact info and emailed him directly and got it taken care of faster.
The rep I was put in contact Seneca, was excellent. I had a bolt in less than 24 hours.
When I talked to him I asked to buy spares for all of the suspension hardware. He sent me spares free of charge, but I am still waiting on some of the bolts to come from Germany. To get the spares I have took over a month. This reminds me that I need to check in with him.
On the Propain Germany website they sell all the spare parts, but they do not ship to the US and you can not purchase spare parts from the Propain US site.
What a dampener may look like
Tried to install one of these on my fork, but ended up taking it to a shop. This is a tough installation if you don’t know what you’re doing…
not high level, but shimano dropped ESSA today - 8-speed budget drivetrain
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/shimano-introduces-essa-fro…
DAMPER
I appreciate your dedication to this cause.
Psss... Don't spill the beans on the wireless shifter version. Or the shifterless, auto-shifting one!
Evil's D.E.L.T.A link stands for "Daves' Entirely Legitimate Travel Apparatus". Not a DW Link.
It's actually DAVE’S EXTRA LEGITIMATE TRAVEL APPARATUS
But yea, hence why I said it isn't a DW Link
Ah right. Guess I could have googled before putting it here.
It’s “The DW Link” but it is a type of DW link.
I think it’s “Extra” not “Entirely.”
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.
Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything up with Acros
Definitely an ebike, you can see the small Shimano screen and the thrid cable between the front brake and the dropper remote
The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I got the bike).
To their credit Propain sent a replacement but I replaced it with a King headset that has been trouble free for more than a year.
Not being able to swap the acros headset is a deal breaker.
On the other hand, the pivot hardware has been excellent. Still running like new.
Yeti's Switch isn't a DW design. It's actually a DE design, as in David Earle of Sotto Group. Same homie behind the Sine sus on Alchemy (in itself just a var. of Switch). There are more Dave's involved in suspension design than just Weagle Beagle.
“Dampener” is the verbiage equivalent of counting clicks from open and helmets with removable chin bars.
"Dampener" is the equivalent of putting your fork on backwards. We owe these people a heads up. Whether they choose to listen is their choice. And yes, this is a real image from an issue of Men's Health.
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker.
My fork has dampening as well as a triple clamp…
Triple CROWN... idiot!
Except the 3rd crown is called an arch…
To preface this comment, I do count my clicks from closed. That said, I do think it makes more sense to count from open. You would think that the most uninhibited setting would be where you would want to start, but that's just my two cents.
And with the latest Rockshox, you start from middle.
You don't count from open because of the tolerances. Most (all?) dampers are designed in a way where fully closed is the end stop. So counting from fully closed gives you equal settings across items from the same product line. So 5 clicks from closed is the same on all grip2 38s. With tolerances playing a role it might not be the same when counting 5 clicks from open.
Your two cents do have logic behind it but it's sadly somewhat incomplete as it doesn't take the actual product and/or manufacturing it into account. That's the crux of why you should count from closed.
You guys count your clicks?
If you remove the rebound knob on your Rock Shox fork and adjust it using a long Allen key there are no clicks to count.
that's why i'm pissed they are doing that shit cable routing, bikes are well spec, great price, ride amazing, but that thing is a deal breaker
I instructed my friend to get an aluminium Tyee just to be able to run normal internal routing. The carbon verison is headset only...
Is that your front forks or.....you know ,the other forks your bike has. The back forks?
How are his rear triangle tolerances?
The propain (and propain accessories) I've seen people ride have developed a lot of play with their rear triangle. We thought it was because it's a solid rear triangle with the links Infront of the bottom bracket which gives it an even bigger leverage to develop play than a normal dual link design.
Same.
I am very happy with my Hugene but I have had 2 issues with it in just under 2 years.
1st was the headset which was clearly a defect since it died early on.
The second was I broke the lower pivot bolt that is right behind the chainring.
Customer service has been mixed. With the headset Propain sent a replacement quickly and easily, minimal fuss.
With the broken pivot bolt in January 2024, I had to schedule a call to even speak to a rep. I cheated and found the VP of Propain US's contact info and emailed him directly and got it taken care of faster.
The rep I was put in contact Seneca, was excellent. I had a bolt in less than 24 hours.
When I talked to him I asked to buy spares for all of the suspension hardware. He sent me spares free of charge, but I am still waiting on some of the bolts to come from Germany. To get the spares I have took over a month. This reminds me that I need to check in with him.
On the Propain Germany website they sell all the spare parts, but they do not ship to the US and you can not purchase spare parts from the Propain US site.
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