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4/5/2024 8:12pm
chriskief wrote:
New Sight VLT?

New Sight VLT?

They’re all in on high pivots 

4/5/2024 10:33pm
Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

You need to re-learn metric to imperial conversions.

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4/5/2024 10:37pm

Raaw sent out an email that said the new jibb is coming on the 11th. 

This could be awesome, I wonder if it’ll have the adjustability of their other bikes, and I wonder if the rear travel will change? 140 rear...

This could be awesome, I wonder if it’ll have the adjustability of their other bikes, and I wonder if the rear travel will change? 140 rear travel although a small change would make it an even more capable all rounder.

Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

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4/5/2024 10:59pm
chriskief wrote:
New Sight VLT?

New Sight VLT?

I’m guessing that’s a Range based on the color. My LBS has a couple so they are ready for Tuesday’s release.

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Primoz wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-compact-motor-x-battery-unit.html Can we have a 'stupid ideas' thread where we post any and all stupid idea to do with bikes? Just enough for it to be...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-compact-motor-x-battery…

Can we have a 'stupid ideas' thread where we post any and all stupid idea to do with bikes? Just enough for it to be public to prevent stuff getting patented... Thought about USB-C charging for eBikes 5 years ago -_-

usb c would be 240w max with future revisions. batteries can‘t receive full power over the whole charging process, that would take a while to fully charge?

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Yeah, but you usually have the full nigh to charge it... Compared to a normal laptop I'd say it could easily be up to 10 hours to charge it if we're talking about a 500 Wh battery.

I'd say there's a reason ebikes currently have purpose made chargers, but it might be possible to make do with a USB c charger as well. Might make for a good selling point even if it is just a backup charging option. 

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Hell no. A lot of the original Haibikes with the small drive sprocket on the Bosch motor had an idler. I'm guessing they took advantage of it to raise the pivot as well (motor clearance and all), but in the other hand not to the tune we see with actual high pivot bikes of today. At the time it was used for packaging as the drive sprocket was around 20t and thus limited pivot placement a lot. 

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monarchmason
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4/6/2024 6:27am
Primoz wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-compact-motor-x-battery-unit.html Can we have a 'stupid ideas' thread where we post any and all stupid idea to do with bikes? Just enough for it to be...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-compact-motor-x-battery…

Can we have a 'stupid ideas' thread where we post any and all stupid idea to do with bikes? Just enough for it to be public to prevent stuff getting patented... Thought about USB-C charging for eBikes 5 years ago -_-

Honestly its not a bad idea. We know companies come here. If there is a specific forum that shows how stupid their prototype frame is with its new flashy feature that no one asked for *COUGH* INTERNAL CABLE ROUTING…….. *Cough*… then maybe. Just maybe. Someone will say, “yeah ditch the idea.” 

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4/6/2024 7:51am
Murph wrote:

They’re all in on high pivots 

tabletop84 wrote:

First high pivot emtb?

roost66 wrote:

Crestline

Crestline e-bike isn’t high pivot. Rocky Mountain was the first HP Emtb I can remember.

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tabletop84 wrote:

First high pivot emtb?

roost66 wrote:

Crestline

Crestline e-bike isn’t high pivot. Rocky Mountain was the first HP Emtb I can remember.

My b

Primoz
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Primoz wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-compact-motor-x-battery-unit.html Can we have a 'stupid ideas' thread where we post any and all stupid idea to do with bikes? Just enough for it to be...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-compact-motor-x-battery…

Can we have a 'stupid ideas' thread where we post any and all stupid idea to do with bikes? Just enough for it to be public to prevent stuff getting patented... Thought about USB-C charging for eBikes 5 years ago -_-

Honestly its not a bad idea. We know companies come here. If there is a specific forum that shows how stupid their prototype frame is with...

Honestly its not a bad idea. We know companies come here. If there is a specific forum that shows how stupid their prototype frame is with its new flashy feature that no one asked for *COUGH* INTERNAL CABLE ROUTING…….. *Cough*… then maybe. Just maybe. Someone will say, “yeah ditch the idea.” 

Stupid in quotation marks, meaning what might seem stupid to someone is another man's patent kinda idea... 

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Onawalk
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This could be awesome, I wonder if it’ll have the adjustability of their other bikes, and I wonder if the rear travel will change? 140 rear...

This could be awesome, I wonder if it’ll have the adjustability of their other bikes, and I wonder if the rear travel will change? 140 rear travel although a small change would make it an even more capable all rounder.

Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom...

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel.

if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock travel we get 135mm.

2.7 on a 55mm rear shock gets you 148.5, so lets call it 150mm rear travel.  Youre gonna notice that.

Theres a big difference in shock travel, and rear wheel travel

5mm of additional rear travel, not a chance.

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Onawalk
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4/6/2024 8:43am
Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

You need to re-learn metric to imperial conversions.

Youre right, my bad

5mm=.197"

I did quick math in my head

12mm=1/2" on mechanical drawings

so a touch less than 1/4" is what my original comment was meant to be.  Still totally negligible as wheel travel increase.

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I know this has probably been mentioned, but I saw a FW bike in rock creek with an electric RAD coil and a controller on the left side of the bars.  Didn’t get any pics or figure out who the rider was 🙁

 

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4/6/2024 8:55am Edited Date/Time 4/6/2024 8:55am

john hall racing a pinion-equipped M1 at monster pro DH. pic attached. video on our insta stories. we'll have more pics and interview later.

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roost66 wrote:
I know this has probably been mentioned, but I saw a FW bike in rock creek with an electric RAD coil and a controller on the...

I know this has probably been mentioned, but I saw a FW bike in rock creek with an electric RAD coil and a controller on the left side of the bars.  Didn’t get any pics or figure out who the rider was 🙁

 

Asa had one on his rig with sensors on the brake calipers as well. It was in the slideshow.

 

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4/6/2024 9:30am
Primoz wrote:
Yeah, but you usually have the full nigh to charge it... Compared to a normal laptop I'd say it could easily be up to 10 hours...

Yeah, but you usually have the full nigh to charge it... Compared to a normal laptop I'd say it could easily be up to 10 hours to charge it if we're talking about a 500 Wh battery.

I'd say there's a reason ebikes currently have purpose made chargers, but it might be possible to make do with a USB c charger as well. Might make for a good selling point even if it is just a backup charging option. 

I think youre onto something with this line of thinking.

removable battery, charge it with USB while at the office, or at home.  Use the proprietary charger for fast charging.

USB also provides a way to charge/run accessories (phone, bike computer, lights, etc)

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4/6/2024 2:59pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2024 3:02pm
Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom...

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

Onawalk wrote:
My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel. if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock...

My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel.

if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock travel we get 135mm.

2.7 on a 55mm rear shock gets you 148.5, so lets call it 150mm rear travel.  Youre gonna notice that.

Theres a big difference in shock travel, and rear wheel travel

5mm of additional rear travel, not a chance.

Internet forums - where people tell other people what they can and can’t feel.

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4/6/2024 5:59pm
I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom...

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

Onawalk wrote:
My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel. if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock...

My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel.

if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock travel we get 135mm.

2.7 on a 55mm rear shock gets you 148.5, so lets call it 150mm rear travel.  Youre gonna notice that.

Theres a big difference in shock travel, and rear wheel travel

5mm of additional rear travel, not a chance.

Internet forums - where people tell other people what they can and can’t feel.

To each their own really, neither of you are particularly right or wrong. Just depends on the lens you use to view the world. 

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monarchmason
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4/6/2024 7:22pm
Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom...

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

Onawalk wrote:
My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel. if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock...

My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel.

if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock travel we get 135mm.

2.7 on a 55mm rear shock gets you 148.5, so lets call it 150mm rear travel.  Youre gonna notice that.

Theres a big difference in shock travel, and rear wheel travel

5mm of additional rear travel, not a chance.

Your mom could feel the 5mm difference Wink

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4/6/2024 7:32pm

Raaw sent out an email that said the new jibb is coming on the 11th. 

This could be awesome, I wonder if it’ll have the adjustability of their other bikes, and I wonder if the rear travel will change? 140 rear...

This could be awesome, I wonder if it’ll have the adjustability of their other bikes, and I wonder if the rear travel will change? 140 rear travel although a small change would make it an even more capable all rounder.

Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

I know 5mm ain’t much but it’s not “like less than an 1/8” 

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Outlawed wrote:
Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:

Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:


They are so close to…

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Outlawed wrote:
Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:

Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:


They are so close to…

it's more than a month that you can see the 404 pages on mcr tho

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Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

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Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Don't know what the geo or kinematics are, but super interesting concept with separating spring and damper.

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4/7/2024 8:14am

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

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