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ethanrevitch
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Outlawed wrote:
Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:

Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:


They are so close to…

it's more than a month that you can see the 404 pages on mcr tho

Yea but the embargo date is within a week or so. 

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roost66
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They are so close to…

it's more than a month that you can see the 404 pages on mcr tho

Yea but the embargo date is within a week or so. 

This Tuesday according to their insta

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I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom...

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

Onawalk wrote:
My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel. if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock...

My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel.

if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock travel we get 135mm.

2.7 on a 55mm rear shock gets you 148.5, so lets call it 150mm rear travel.  Youre gonna notice that.

Theres a big difference in shock travel, and rear wheel travel

5mm of additional rear travel, not a chance.

Your mom could feel the 5mm difference 

Your mom could feel the 5mm difference Wink

Jeez man,

You can be better than that

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ethanrevitch
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it's more than a month that you can see the 404 pages on mcr tho

Yea but the embargo date is within a week or so. 

roost66 wrote:

This Tuesday according to their insta

Yup. The 9th according to deals as well. 

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Any news on a revised trek slash / e slash or rail?  

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Goose80
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4/7/2024 3:46pm
Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Colby Pringle has been riding his around Squamish as well. Maybe they are restarting development of the platform

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4/7/2024 5:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/7/2024 5:22pm

Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

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4/7/2024 5:49pm
Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Goose80 wrote:

Colby Pringle has been riding his around Squamish as well. Maybe they are restarting development of the platform

He’s just on a Jekyll with a 40

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Goose80
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Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Goose80 wrote:

Colby Pringle has been riding his around Squamish as well. Maybe they are restarting development of the platform

TannerVal wrote:

He’s just on a Jekyll with a 40

Perhaps out the same mold but I'm pretty sure it was a mullet with a long shock. It's definitely set up as a proper DH bike and not just his enduro race bike with a 40 on it for shuttles

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boozed
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4/7/2024 9:59pm
Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Goose80 wrote:

Colby Pringle has been riding his around Squamish as well. Maybe they are restarting development of the platform

TannerVal wrote:

He’s just on a Jekyll with a 40

That isn't a Jekyll front triangle - it has a straight top tube with a shock mount hanging from it!

Not a Jekyll seatstay either.

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krabo83
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Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using...

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

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4/8/2024 5:35am
Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using...

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

krabo83 wrote:
i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

Looks the same to me?

Alpinestars SM10 Carbon Meta 2 Helmet

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4/8/2024 5:36am Edited Date/Time 4/8/2024 6:41am
Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using...

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

krabo83 wrote:
i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

It looks like Ronan has been on the MX helmet recently. The top line S-M10 seems to be the helmet of choice for the rest of the team and other Astars sponsored riders as well. The total lack of available information into relative DH helmet safety is really frustrating (i.e. the margin by which they exceed standards). I've had several major concussions, and made it a priority to invest in the best helmet possible but still impossible to differentiate as a willing consumer between the Leatt 8.0, RPC, D4, Dissident II, 6D, Giro spherical, the A-stars mx or dh helmets, and others. 

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drakefan705
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Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using...

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

krabo83 wrote:
i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

Yoda wrote:
It looks like Ronan has been on the MX helmet recently. The top line S-M10 seems to be the helmet of choice for the rest of...

It looks like Ronan has been on the MX helmet recently. The top line S-M10 seems to be the helmet of choice for the rest of the team and other Astars sponsored riders as well. The total lack of available information into relative DH helmet safety is really frustrating (i.e. the margin by which they exceed standards). I've had several major concussions, and made it a priority to invest in the best helmet possible but still impossible to differentiate as a willing consumer between the Leatt 8.0, RPC, D4, Dissident II, 6D, Giro spherical, the A-stars mx or dh helmets, and others. 

Not an expert, but have worked in the industry forever and sat through many product knowledge meetings. Buy a mouth guard and a neck brace. 

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krabo83
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Looks the same to me?

Looks the same to me?

Alpinestars SM10 Carbon Meta 2 Helmet

you‘re right, i just looked at their top level mx helmet, the m10… dak seems to wear the slightly cheaper m8 helmet.

4/8/2024 7:56am
krabo83 wrote:

you‘re right, i just looked at their top level mx helmet, the m10… dak seems to wear the slightly cheaper m8 helmet.

From the website it looks like they don't make the sm8 anymore.

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ethanrevitch
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4/8/2024 10:24am
Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

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Who’s insta are you finding this on? 

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4/8/2024 10:30am
Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

IMG 2259

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Who’s insta are you finding this on? 

Was responding to your zeb comments on ig too haha, I follow a lot of the forbidden sponsored riders and staff, always little sneak peaks in some of their posts, not sure if intentional or not haha 

ethanrevitch
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Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

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Who’s insta are you finding this on? 

Was responding to your zeb comments on ig too haha, I follow a lot of the forbidden sponsored riders and staff, always little sneak peaks in...

Was responding to your zeb comments on ig too haha, I follow a lot of the forbidden sponsored riders and staff, always little sneak peaks in some of their posts, not sure if intentional or not haha 

Oh that was you on insta haha. You’re everywhere. 

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airwreck
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4/8/2024 1:09pm

Hasn't been any DH bikes on Norco's website for a while now. Is there any rumors?

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4/8/2024 1:23pm
Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

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image-20240407172100-1

Who’s insta are you finding this on? 

Both colorways have been posted here multiple times  

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4/8/2024 2:34pm
Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

IMG 2259

image-20240407172100-1

Who’s insta are you finding this on? 

Both colorways have been posted here multiple times  

Yes, but these are the first photos of the red/orange one in the wild. It was only renders of that one previously.

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airwreck wrote:

Hasn't been any DH bikes on Norco's website for a while now. Is there any rumors?

Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is the team kit with trp and crankbrothers. Also had an unlabelled Maxxis tire on the front that I had not seen before (might be old news though).

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Troy Lee mentioned in the Gypsy Tales podcast they are working on a D5

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Zaeius wrote:
Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is...

Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is the team kit with trp and crankbrothers. Also had an unlabelled Maxxis tire on the front that I had not seen before (might be old news though).

Looks like a Shorty, except for the different center lug siping.

Damn I love that bike.

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ethanrevitch
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Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

IMG 2259

image-20240407172100-1

Who’s insta are you finding this on? 

Both colorways have been posted here multiple times  

Ye I know that. MTBr has had the same posts. Just wonder where you are getting them lol.

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Zaeius wrote:
Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is...

Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is the team kit with trp and crankbrothers. Also had an unlabelled Maxxis tire on the front that I had not seen before (might be old news though).

@Uncle Cliffy mentionned the shorty but I don't think this could be an updated shorty.

Shorty is currently set as 2 rows of narrow spaced center block between each wide spaced center block. So Wide/Narrow/Narrow/Wide

But both Minion DHRII and DHF are set up as Wide/Narrow/Wide/Narrow for center lugs. Side lugs are more inline with how current DHRII and DHF are. Full length siping on one of the pair of center lugs could mean an update to the DHF but I am actually thinking if maybe Maxxis wants to combine DHRII and DHF into a single model. I counted around 50 sku just for the DHF that could be eliminated with a consolidation.

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4/8/2024 6:29pm
airwreck wrote:

Hasn't been any DH bikes on Norco's website for a while now. Is there any rumors?

Zaeius wrote:
Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is...

Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is the team kit with trp and crankbrothers. Also had an unlabelled Maxxis tire on the front that I had not seen before (might be old news though).

And that's why i love Squamish.... "Friggin trails were a bit muddy bud so I had to run to Marks for some overall's ta get splashin' again"

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airwreck
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Zaeius wrote:
Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is...

Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is the team kit with trp and crankbrothers. Also had an unlabelled Maxxis tire on the front that I had not seen before (might be old news though).

1llumA wrote:
@Uncle Cliffy mentionned the shorty but I don't think this could be an updated shorty. Shorty is currently set as 2 rows of narrow spaced center...

@Uncle Cliffy mentionned the shorty but I don't think this could be an updated shorty.

Shorty is currently set as 2 rows of narrow spaced center block between each wide spaced center block. So Wide/Narrow/Narrow/Wide

But both Minion DHRII and DHF are set up as Wide/Narrow/Wide/Narrow for center lugs. Side lugs are more inline with how current DHRII and DHF are. Full length siping on one of the pair of center lugs could mean an update to the DHF but I am actually thinking if maybe Maxxis wants to combine DHRII and DHF into a single model. I counted around 50 sku just for the DHF that could be eliminated with a consolidation.

There was some discussion of this tire last year, hopefully the forums Maxxis insider will give us an update soon. I'm thinking DHF II since it was stated that it wasn't going to be a Shorty v3, DHR III or High Roller III.

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airwreck wrote:

Hasn't been any DH bikes on Norco's website for a while now. Is there any rumors?

Zaeius wrote:
Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is...

Not a rumour but I spotted this outside the Marks Work Warehouse in Squamish last week. I haven’t been following closely but I’m assuming this is the team kit with trp and crankbrothers. Also had an unlabelled Maxxis tire on the front that I had not seen before (might be old news though).

Continental has the Argotal, which seemed to do well for some racers on the wet / not quite mud spike / tracks. My guess - slot this tire in and mirror some of Argotal's qualities and get amarketing splash at the same time.  image-20240408203719-2

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