Few pages back someone mentioned similarity to ghost riot frames and go downvoted to oblivion, hate to say it, but there is striking resemblance. And the first gen. full party edition with formula suspension looks pretty nice on person to he honest.
Few pages back someone mentioned similarity to ghost riot frames and go downvoted to oblivion, hate to say it, but there is striking resemblance. And the...
Few pages back someone mentioned similarity to ghost riot frames and go downvoted to oblivion, hate to say it, but there is striking resemblance. And the first gen. full party edition with formula suspension looks pretty nice on person to he honest.
Yeah, it was me hahaha. I own a full party and the more I look at the Atherton prototype, the more it looks like the riot from every single angle (except bb area). It better be lighter though, my bike it's over 18kg almost stock except some ex511 rims, fox dhx (instead of the extremely unreliable formula mod), and just one dh casing rear tire.
Not sure if anyone else spotted it, but it appears that Vali Höll has got a set of Sram’s new Maven levers (now in silver, and widely believed to be a mineral oil brake), with the red prototype callipers, which, as far as I can remember, have only previously been tested with Sram’s current levers which use DOT fluid.
Not sure if this means anything but it definitely piqued my interest. It’s also worth pointing out that Sram has had 6 months to use the ‘Maven’ trademark which started on the 5th of September last year, which will be up on the 5th March, so they might actually be releasing them quite soon?
Did anyone catch Forbidden's Instagram story with the RS Pike on the front of the druid? I thought people were mostly running these with 150/160mm forks, new high pivot DC bike??
Few pages back someone mentioned similarity to ghost riot frames and go downvoted to oblivion, hate to say it, but there is striking resemblance. And the...
Few pages back someone mentioned similarity to ghost riot frames and go downvoted to oblivion, hate to say it, but there is striking resemblance. And the first gen. full party edition with formula suspension looks pretty nice on person to he honest.
The Ghost riot was just simply one of the worst ok looking bikes that could have ever existed after 2010. They did cable tourism first but it was through the linkage which required the entire rear end to come off, you even had to take apart linkage bits to get the shock off. It also used bushings. Internal shock Scott bikes are higher on the list of acceptable end products for customers than the Riot was. And we're comparing that poor Atherton bike to a Riot.... shame on us all
Not sure if anyone else spotted it, but it appears that Vali Höll has got a set of Sram’s new Maven levers (now in silver, and...
Not sure if anyone else spotted it, but it appears that Vali Höll has got a set of Sram’s new Maven levers (now in silver, and widely believed to be a mineral oil brake), with the red prototype callipers, which, as far as I can remember, have only previously been tested with Sram’s current levers which use DOT fluid.
Not sure if this means anything but it definitely piqued my interest. It’s also worth pointing out that Sram has had 6 months to use the ‘Maven’ trademark which started on the 5th of September last year, which will be up on the 5th March, so they might actually be releasing them quite soon?
Could just be the new Code Stealth levers and DOT fluid...
Few pages back someone mentioned similarity to ghost riot frames and go downvoted to oblivion, hate to say it, but there is striking resemblance. And the...
Few pages back someone mentioned similarity to ghost riot frames and go downvoted to oblivion, hate to say it, but there is striking resemblance. And the first gen. full party edition with formula suspension looks pretty nice on person to he honest.
The Ghost riot was just simply one of the worst ok looking bikes that could have ever existed after 2010. They did cable tourism first but...
The Ghost riot was just simply one of the worst ok looking bikes that could have ever existed after 2010. They did cable tourism first but it was through the linkage which required the entire rear end to come off, you even had to take apart linkage bits to get the shock off. It also used bushings. Internal shock Scott bikes are higher on the list of acceptable end products for customers than the Riot was. And we're comparing that poor Atherton bike to a Riot.... shame on us all
The current Riot it's nothing like the old one fortunately. Fully external cable routing and big bearings. The only problem I had was blowing up shocks, thx trunnion. The stock formula failed on me 4 times, almost 2 years later I'm still waiting for a replacement under warranty. It's not an issue with formula themselves, they seemed to respond okay, the problem is the spanish dealer.
Look at the drive side chainstay above the tyre. It's L shaped. It's optimised for production process and stiffness and strength. It's not a tube, but it's not necessarily bad.
Yes, to me it seems they printed entire side of the swing arm. The chainstay is hollow from its bottom with ribs inside. However, the L shape on seatstays seems to get narrow toward the seat tube and I can't see any L near the rocker.
I see a line continuing above the chainstay over the seatstay going towards the rear axle... Kinda thinking it each side might be made from more parts and glued together - would make sense, it could be made in 3 sections, each side of the triangle on its own.
As for printinf, shapes (I beams, L beams, pockets with sharp edges) look very much machined, not printed. 3D printing gives A LOT more flexibility when it comes to reinforcements, shapes, etc., shapes that are expensive to machine. These shapes look easy, quick and cheap to machine...
Also, the L shape of the seatstay continues all the way to the pivot.
It's machined. The whole point of this bike is to reduce production costs.
Bearing in mind we have no official info on this, it's all just assumption and guesswork. All we have is some grapevine info from chats a Dyfi.
Whilst the rear end does look machined it might just be done in the final stage of fabrication (after printing). As they do with their current bikes. People (on this forum) have criticised the man hours in labour it takes to finish their current lugged bikes, but you just have to look at their accounts to see that it's clearly working for them.
We know they have a very impressive 3D printing capability in house so why would they invest in more tooling (and massively expensive) or even outsource it to reduce costs?!
It's machined. The whole point of this bike is to reduce production costs.
Machining doesn't scale well since you have to add cnc machines to increase capacity. It's not like 3D printed Ti and bonded carbon tubes do either, which is part of why their current bikes are so expensive. It would seem to be an odd choice for reducing costs on a "budget" model.
Machining scales reasonably OK. At least in comparison to carbon and welded aluminum frames with the right design choices, especially compared to 3D printing...
Can't find a picture of a Chinese CNC supplier with like 500 CNC machines in one hall (~20 by 20 CNC machines in a grid pattern), but this is Protolabs:
Not sure if anyone else spotted it, but it appears that Vali Höll has got a set of Sram’s new Maven levers (now in silver, and...
Not sure if anyone else spotted it, but it appears that Vali Höll has got a set of Sram’s new Maven levers (now in silver, and widely believed to be a mineral oil brake), with the red prototype callipers, which, as far as I can remember, have only previously been tested with Sram’s current levers which use DOT fluid.
Not sure if this means anything but it definitely piqued my interest. It’s also worth pointing out that Sram has had 6 months to use the ‘Maven’ trademark which started on the 5th of September last year, which will be up on the 5th March, so they might actually be releasing them quite soon?
Good eye. Unfortunately the original resolution shots uploaded to PB aren't particularly large, but this is probably the best look.
@sspomer you dirty dog... posting spy shots of a bike with the Vital logo laser etched on it.
How does it compare to the Firebird?
Few pages back someone mentioned similarity to ghost riot frames and go downvoted to oblivion, hate to say it, but there is striking resemblance. And the first gen. full party edition with formula suspension looks pretty nice on person to he honest.
Much lighter than it looks. My brother picked up the prototype (we did ask!).
Weight was less than my Privateer 161, so towards the lighter end of aluminium enduro frames.
Atherton Bikes, now with proprietary DirtHole (sorry, DRT.HL) down tube technology.
Yeah, it was me hahaha. I own a full party and the more I look at the Atherton prototype, the more it looks like the riot from every single angle (except bb area). It better be lighter though, my bike it's over 18kg almost stock except some ex511 rims, fox dhx (instead of the extremely unreliable formula mod), and just one dh casing rear tire.
They could tap the down tube for a plug and have lots of storage. Or just plug it up.
Not sure if anyone else spotted it, but it appears that Vali Höll has got a set of Sram’s new Maven levers (now in silver, and widely believed to be a mineral oil brake), with the red prototype callipers, which, as far as I can remember, have only previously been tested with Sram’s current levers which use DOT fluid.
Not sure if this means anything but it definitely piqued my interest. It’s also worth pointing out that Sram has had 6 months to use the ‘Maven’ trademark which started on the 5th of September last year, which will be up on the 5th March, so they might actually be releasing them quite soon?
Did anyone catch Forbidden's Instagram story with the RS Pike on the front of the druid? I thought people were mostly running these with 150/160mm forks, new high pivot DC bike??
looks like an Alloy Firebird
The Ghost riot was just simply one of the worst ok looking bikes that could have ever existed after 2010. They did cable tourism first but it was through the linkage which required the entire rear end to come off, you even had to take apart linkage bits to get the shock off. It also used bushings. Internal shock Scott bikes are higher on the list of acceptable end products for customers than the Riot was. And we're comparing that poor Atherton bike to a Riot.... shame on us all
Could just be the new Code Stealth levers and DOT fluid...
The current Riot it's nothing like the old one fortunately. Fully external cable routing and big bearings. The only problem I had was blowing up shocks, thx trunnion. The stock formula failed on me 4 times, almost 2 years later I'm still waiting for a replacement under warranty. It's not an issue with formula themselves, they seemed to respond okay, the problem is the spanish dealer.
And the swingarm too (both sides).
Looks like no UDH too (old style Sram cabled mech).
That seatstays on new Atherton must be flexy as a sheet of steel.
Based on?
Based on shape and orientation. It seems to be pretty thin, at least from those pictures. But maybe it has some 3d printed super clever ribs inside.
Look at the drive side chainstay above the tyre. It's L shaped. It's optimised for production process and stiffness and strength. It's not a tube, but it's not necessarily bad.
It does have bracing ribs inside. Zoom in on the underside of the swingarm- there’s at least 3.
Man they’ve printed the whole rear end?!
Looks machined.
Yes, to me it seems they printed entire side of the swing arm. The chainstay is hollow from its bottom with ribs inside. However, the L shape on seatstays seems to get narrow toward the seat tube and I can't see any L near the rocker.
I bet, entire swingarm is made of 3 parts: 3d printed sides/triangles and one tube permanently connecting them behind BB.
https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/inline/basic/whatisthisbike2.jpg?VersionId=VCgzzKBYm2MWTpvNiY58yXyB7THTQ.5k
I see a line continuing above the chainstay over the seatstay going towards the rear axle... Kinda thinking it each side might be made from more parts and glued together - would make sense, it could be made in 3 sections, each side of the triangle on its own.
As for printinf, shapes (I beams, L beams, pockets with sharp edges) look very much machined, not printed. 3D printing gives A LOT more flexibility when it comes to reinforcements, shapes, etc., shapes that are expensive to machine. These shapes look easy, quick and cheap to machine...
Also, the L shape of the seatstay continues all the way to the pivot.
It's machined. The whole point of this bike is to reduce production costs.
Bearing in mind we have no official info on this, it's all just assumption and guesswork. All we have is some grapevine info from chats a Dyfi.
Whilst the rear end does look machined it might just be done in the final stage of fabrication (after printing). As they do with their current bikes. People (on this forum) have criticised the man hours in labour it takes to finish their current lugged bikes, but you just have to look at their accounts to see that it's clearly working for them.
We know they have a very impressive 3D printing capability in house so why would they invest in more tooling (and massively expensive) or even outsource it to reduce costs?!
Machining doesn't scale well since you have to add cnc machines to increase capacity. It's not like 3D printed Ti and bonded carbon tubes do either, which is part of why their current bikes are so expensive. It would seem to be an odd choice for reducing costs on a "budget" model.
Machining scales reasonably OK. At least in comparison to carbon and welded aluminum frames with the right design choices, especially compared to 3D printing...
Can't find a picture of a Chinese CNC supplier with like 500 CNC machines in one hall (~20 by 20 CNC machines in a grid pattern), but this is Protolabs:
This looks like Mineral oil, yeah... It has the big bleedport screw.
Pretty sure the Atherton's want to keep as much of their manufacturing in house as possible though.
Any outsourcing and they'd have to give up the "handmade in Wales", which is the first thing you see on their homepage.
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