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Etney wrote:
Another pic of the new axs dropper

Another pic of the new axs dropper

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Going to be fun reading wireless/electronic aficionados rationalizing an expensive, cumbersome and fugly axs dropper over a cabled version. 

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AgrAde wrote:
Given that it was probably SRAM's lawyers that were responsible for 5dev discontinuing the udh mod kit, ordering the biggie kit sooner rather than later is...

Given that it was probably SRAM's lawyers that were responsible for 5dev discontinuing the udh mod kit, ordering the biggie kit sooner rather than later is probably a good plan if you think you might want one.

There is a bunch of aftermarket udh hangers so I doubt anyone is after them...

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This is an older frame to UDH compatible conversion, not an UDH compatible frame derailleur hanger for the older derailleurs. It's to mount Transmission derailleurs on old frames. 

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AgrAde wrote:
Given that it was probably SRAM's lawyers that were responsible for 5dev discontinuing the udh mod kit, ordering the biggie kit sooner rather than later is...

Given that it was probably SRAM's lawyers that were responsible for 5dev discontinuing the udh mod kit, ordering the biggie kit sooner rather than later is probably a good plan if you think you might want one.

This is referring to the Specialized gravel bikes T-type mod, not Yetis, but might give some insight:

 

https://nminus1bikes.substack.com/p/n-1wsletter-9-sram-transmission-ret…

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I've got it on good authority that Continental is developing a new set of XC tires. Expect them soon-ish, probably within the next few months.

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1/7/2025 8:07am

X-post from the Team Rumors thread, but since Rheeder mentions opening another new mountain bike company later this year I figured it belongs here too. Here's to hoping it's not another flat pedal brand 😂😂

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X-post from the Team Rumors thread, but since Rheeder mentions opening another new mountain bike company later this year I figured it belongs here too. Here's...

X-post from the Team Rumors thread, but since Rheeder mentions opening another new mountain bike company later this year I figured it belongs here too. Here's to hoping it's not another flat pedal brand 😂😂

I really think the industry could use another billet stem ngl

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FullSend wrote:

I've got it on good authority that Continental is developing a new set of XC tires. Expect them soon-ish, probably within the next few months.

i rather the enduro in super soft

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FullSend wrote:

I've got it on good authority that Continental is developing a new set of XC tires. Expect them soon-ish, probably within the next few months.

sethimus wrote:

i rather the enduro in super soft

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Think they will be available pretty soon?

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AgrAde wrote:
Given that it was probably SRAM's lawyers that were responsible for 5dev discontinuing the udh mod kit, ordering the biggie kit sooner rather than later is...

Given that it was probably SRAM's lawyers that were responsible for 5dev discontinuing the udh mod kit, ordering the biggie kit sooner rather than later is probably a good plan if you think you might want one.

But there is nothing with UDH, there you modify the frame to fit a SRAM component...what's the issue with the patent?? isnt?

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gonza.s.m. wrote:

But there is nothing with UDH, there you modify the frame to fit a SRAM component...what's the issue with the patent?? isnt?

It would be pretty hard to adapt to the direct mount/UDH standard without getting uncomfortably close to SRAM's patented designs. You may prevail, but can you afford the legal cost and time to find out for such a low volume product?

I have a set of design sketches I worked up somewhat peripheral to this idea (being deliberately vague, here). It was a fun design exercise, but I bailed on the concept as the upside wasn't worth the risk of if SRAM's attorneys didn't like what I was doing.

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gonza.s.m. wrote:

But there is nothing with UDH, there you modify the frame to fit a SRAM component...what's the issue with the patent?? isnt?

JVP wrote:
It would be pretty hard to adapt to the direct mount/UDH standard without getting uncomfortably close to SRAM's patented designs. You may prevail, but can you...

It would be pretty hard to adapt to the direct mount/UDH standard without getting uncomfortably close to SRAM's patented designs. You may prevail, but can you afford the legal cost and time to find out for such a low volume product?

I have a set of design sketches I worked up somewhat peripheral to this idea (being deliberately vague, here). It was a fun design exercise, but I bailed on the concept as the upside wasn't worth the risk of if SRAM's attorneys didn't like what I was doing.

I mean, i'll admit it - I am dumb as a rock. But could literally a cnc machined spacer, and a thru axle adapter infringe on their patent? I am sure it can, but it sounds strange.

And it essentially makes it so sram themselves potentially sell more transmission groupsets. Would be more logical if the C&D came from spesh/yeti instead

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Specialized Chisel Evo is live on their website. It's pretty much the same as the regular Chisel though. Just with a slightly burlier parts kit.

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FullSend wrote:

I've got it on good authority that Continental is developing a new set of XC tires. Expect them soon-ish, probably within the next few months.

sethimus wrote:

i rather the enduro in super soft

I can assure you, the product managers are well aware of the demand for those.

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1/7/2025 2:48pm
Etney wrote:
I mean, i'll admit it - I am dumb as a rock. But could literally a cnc machined spacer, and a thru axle adapter infringe on...

I mean, i'll admit it - I am dumb as a rock. But could literally a cnc machined spacer, and a thru axle adapter infringe on their patent? I am sure it can, but it sounds strange.

And it essentially makes it so sram themselves potentially sell more transmission groupsets. Would be more logical if the C&D came from spesh/yeti instead

I think the main thing is to never ever underestimate the capacity of Copyright lawyers to be an asshole about something.

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Dave Waugh wrote:

I think the main thing is to never ever underestimate the capacity of Copyright lawyers to be an asshole about something.

I mean, I guess you're right about that.

Its not the first time i've seen companies bring legal action to something absolutely trivial. Something that often in the case of an end user, gives easier entry to a product, or solves a problem.

But I know some companies are very protective of anything touching their IP, so this could be one of these cases. 

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1/7/2025 5:31pm Edited Date/Time 1/7/2025 5:34pm

Word on the street the full production Specialized DH vessel is ready. Apparently it's a looker. 

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Domo-Kun wrote:

Word on the street the full production Specialized DH vessel is ready. Apparently it's a looker. 

so release in 2027 when they finally got rid of their demo stock? :D

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Simcik wrote:
So SRAM is taking the UDH success to brakes...?Patent Center

So SRAM is taking the UDH success to brakes...?

Patent Center

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File this under: Things I do not hate!

I know its not holistically for altruistic reasons SRAM is coming out with standards like UDH and UBH, but these standards make things so much easier to deal with from the consumer side. Bend a UDH hanger? Go into any bike shop. Want to swap between 180 and 200 rotors? Buy a different UBH. The idea of not having to deal with a frame's terrible brake post alignment, or even having to do the "post adaptor math" is a net win in my book. 

Kudos for SRAM for doing this!

Looking forward to their new mineral oil brakes in the future as well! 😉

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What does #422 mount to?

Looks to me like 424 goes through 428 and then thread into either the frame or a set of removable threads in the frame in location 426. That is how they plan to mount the front end of the mount to the bike.

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What does #422 mount to?

Simcik wrote:
Looks to me like 424 goes through 428 and then thread into either the frame or a set of removable threads in the frame in location...

Looks to me like 424 goes through 428 and then thread into either the frame or a set of removable threads in the frame in location 426. That is how they plan to mount the front end of the mount to the bike.

Yeah and probably some spherical stuff going on with 428 to account for misalignment of that hole in the frame.

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1/8/2025 7:00am

What does #422 mount to?

Simcik wrote:
Looks to me like 424 goes through 428 and then thread into either the frame or a set of removable threads in the frame in location...

Looks to me like 424 goes through 428 and then thread into either the frame or a set of removable threads in the frame in location 426. That is how they plan to mount the front end of the mount to the bike.

Thats how I read it as well, then the mount has a pinch bolt to clamp over that big post. Everyone stating this solves "complex" brake post alignment issues, the distance/angle between 400 and 426 will be very critical.

UDH solved the issue of every bike having different and expensive hangers, we already have a universal brake mount its called posts and slotted holes on the caliper, its literally as universal as it gets you can adjust it and add spacers for different disc sizes and adjust for alignment issues. 

 

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DServy wrote:
File this under: Things I do not hate!I know its not holistically for altruistic reasons SRAM is coming out with standards like UDH and UBH, but...

File this under: Things I do not hate!

I know its not holistically for altruistic reasons SRAM is coming out with standards like UDH and UBH, but these standards make things so much easier to deal with from the consumer side. Bend a UDH hanger? Go into any bike shop. Want to swap between 180 and 200 rotors? Buy a different UBH. The idea of not having to deal with a frame's terrible brake post alignment, or even having to do the "post adaptor math" is a net win in my book. 

Kudos for SRAM for doing this!

Looking forward to their new mineral oil brakes in the future as well! 😉

is swapping the postmount adapter when you size up a disc so much hassle? this seems even more complicated as you need to remove the rear wheel just to swap out the ubh. what am i missing here?

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1/8/2025 7:09am

What does #422 mount to?

Simcik wrote:
Looks to me like 424 goes through 428 and then thread into either the frame or a set of removable threads in the frame in location...

Looks to me like 424 goes through 428 and then thread into either the frame or a set of removable threads in the frame in location 426. That is how they plan to mount the front end of the mount to the bike.

austin-NC wrote:
Thats how I read it as well, then the mount has a pinch bolt to clamp over that big post. Everyone stating this solves "complex" brake...

Thats how I read it as well, then the mount has a pinch bolt to clamp over that big post. Everyone stating this solves "complex" brake post alignment issues, the distance/angle between 400 and 426 will be very critical.

UDH solved the issue of every bike having different and expensive hangers, we already have a universal brake mount its called posts and slotted holes on the caliper, its literally as universal as it gets you can adjust it and add spacers for different disc sizes and adjust for alignment issues. 

 

The problem is that the current "standard" of just a couple posts in the frame leaves much to be desired in terms of accuracy and convenience. Not to mention it's not an easily replaced part. If someone hamfists the threads on their brake posts then they could be in for an expensive repair. Just because we currently have something doesn't make it "good" and it's completely backwards compatible like UDH. I only see this new standard as a positive. 

There's also the benefit of (potentially) not needing to realign calipers all the effing time for every minor brake related job. 

As someone who owns a bike with a direct brake post adaptor already, I am glad to see MORE companies head that way. 

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