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stoic_machine
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9/27/2023 1:47pm
jonkranked wrote:

:still waiting to see the new demo uncovered:

At this point this bike feels more of Halo project for Specialized and I wouldn't be surprised if they just don't uncover it.

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9/27/2023 2:13pm
new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook         

new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook 
 

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IMG 2892

Its a big fat-bottomed, no? Countering the trend of slimmer, more camouflaged drive systems

Zaeius
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9/27/2023 2:39pm
new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook         

new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook 
 

IMG 2882 1.jpeg?VersionId=2yYZrt
 

IMG 2891.jpeg?VersionId=SmiQeeBmkD9uCAE ivt
 

IMG 2884 0.jpeg?VersionId=EIs68E UfyPUV.1r.NH2p81hM9C4 T
 

IMG 2892

Its a big fat-bottomed, no? Countering the trend of slimmer, more camouflaged drive systems

I would be shocked if they don't also have a "light" e-bike system in the works as well.

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brash
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9/27/2023 2:48pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2023 2:49pm

is it just me, or is that SRAM motor cover looking seriously unfinished and unrefined?  SRAM spends so much time on marketing, graphic design and arguably aesthetics, it just looks like a big old lump of plastic. Atleast shimano put some fake vents in lol.

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9/27/2023 2:51pm

It seems like the new Spindrift is on its way, although propain really loves cable tourism, other beautiful bike ruined by stupid ideas IMG 0445 0

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9/27/2023 3:43pm
Mugen wrote:
If Gasgas don't rebrand to Wattwatt, they will have missed the marketing coup of the year. Upcoming trailhead conversations: -Hey, what bike is that? -Wattwatt! -Hum...

If Gasgas don't rebrand to Wattwatt, they will have missed the marketing coup of the year.

Upcoming trailhead conversations:

-Hey, what bike is that?

-Wattwatt!

-Hum, I said what bike brand are you riding?

-WattWATT!!

-What is your problem man?

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9/27/2023 3:44pm
Mugen wrote:
If Gasgas don't rebrand to Wattwatt, they will have missed the marketing coup of the year. Upcoming trailhead conversations: -Hey, what bike is that? -Wattwatt! -Hum...

If Gasgas don't rebrand to Wattwatt, they will have missed the marketing coup of the year.

Upcoming trailhead conversations:

-Hey, what bike is that?

-Wattwatt!

-Hum, I said what bike brand are you riding?

-WattWATT!!

-What is your problem man?

Sorry that's a bit ugly, the url wouldn't embed. 

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9/27/2023 3:53pm
It seems like the new Spindrift is on its way, although propain really loves cable tourism, other beautiful bike ruined by stupid ideas 

It seems like the new Spindrift is on its way, although propain really loves cable tourism, other beautiful bike ruined by stupid ideas IMG 0445 0

could actually be the elkano cf with sram motor zooming in 

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dolface
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9/27/2023 4:43pm
chriskief wrote:

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It's BONKERS that GM can feel a 3% difference in stiffness...

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9/27/2023 5:54pm
dolface wrote:

It's BONKERS that GM can feel a 3% difference in stiffness...

...must... resist... juvenile... comment...

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9/27/2023 6:01pm
dolface wrote:

It's BONKERS that GM can feel a 3% difference in stiffness...

pinkrobe wrote:

...must... resist... juvenile... comment...

You may as well get it out, it's just gonna get infected if you don't...

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9/27/2023 7:58pm
new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook         

new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook 
 

IMG 2882 1.jpeg?VersionId=2yYZrt
 

IMG 2891.jpeg?VersionId=SmiQeeBmkD9uCAE ivt
 

IMG 2884 0.jpeg?VersionId=EIs68E UfyPUV.1r.NH2p81hM9C4 T
 

IMG 2892

sharpy212 wrote:
Wonder if SRAM will have plug in ports for their next generation of droppers and mechs, do away with the external batteries. The seat post would...

Wonder if SRAM will have plug in ports for their next generation of droppers and mechs, do away with the external batteries. The seat post would certainly look cleaner. 
 

The derailleur plug-in already exists, but they're so hush-hush about it. Trek and Scott had them on some e-bikes. They apparently have a tiny battery to give you 100 or so shifts in the worst of situations. Dropper is going to require quite a redesign and space is already at a premium at the bottom of a dropper. 

From what I was told, SRAM went with the Shimano motor mounting pattern for immediate and easy installation onto existing bikes. Makes a lot of sense to flood the market quickly, especially if there's no real issue with the mounting pattern. Ruh-roh, the idea of a standard! 

At some point, wouldn't it be nice to be able to have at least a couple of choices for a motor on a specific frame rather than being locked into one option? I'm not an e-bike owner, but if I were to get one, there are a lot of bikes out there that I wouldn't buy because I'd want a different motor from what's spec.

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9/27/2023 10:09pm
new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook         

new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook 
 

IMG 2882 1.jpeg?VersionId=2yYZrt
 

IMG 2891.jpeg?VersionId=SmiQeeBmkD9uCAE ivt
 

IMG 2884 0.jpeg?VersionId=EIs68E UfyPUV.1r.NH2p81hM9C4 T
 

IMG 2892

sharpy212 wrote:
Wonder if SRAM will have plug in ports for their next generation of droppers and mechs, do away with the external batteries. The seat post would...

Wonder if SRAM will have plug in ports for their next generation of droppers and mechs, do away with the external batteries. The seat post would certainly look cleaner. 
 

The derailleur plug-in already exists, but they're so hush-hush about it. Trek and Scott had them on some e-bikes. They apparently have a tiny battery to...

The derailleur plug-in already exists, but they're so hush-hush about it. Trek and Scott had them on some e-bikes. They apparently have a tiny battery to give you 100 or so shifts in the worst of situations. Dropper is going to require quite a redesign and space is already at a premium at the bottom of a dropper. 

From what I was told, SRAM went with the Shimano motor mounting pattern for immediate and easy installation onto existing bikes. Makes a lot of sense to flood the market quickly, especially if there's no real issue with the mounting pattern. Ruh-roh, the idea of a standard! 

At some point, wouldn't it be nice to be able to have at least a couple of choices for a motor on a specific frame rather than being locked into one option? I'm not an e-bike owner, but if I were to get one, there are a lot of bikes out there that I wouldn't buy because I'd want a different motor from what's spec.

It's not just the motor though, there's still the battery, the control unit and the cabling that needs to be replaced and it all has to fit then. Not just the motor. 

9/27/2023 11:51pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2023 11:53pm

Modular 'main' pivot (for a position with an idler), link mount and shock mount; I love it. (Edit - damn, it's a prototype. Would love to see more of that on production bikes, although Canfield has a patent on the adjustable main pivot point.)

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9/28/2023 12:32am

No room 4 water bottle. that’s like cable tourism 4 me 🤷‍♀️

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9/28/2023 1:24am

Same visual design - still love it or hate it affair. Otherwise, interesting ideas, although not sure how they can utilize a high pivot with a belt drive… 

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9/28/2023 1:33am
Same visual design - still love it or hate it affair. Otherwise, interesting ideas, although not sure how they can utilize a high pivot with a...

Same visual design - still love it or hate it affair. Otherwise, interesting ideas, although not sure how they can utilize a high pivot with a belt drive… 

You need to look at zerode g3

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9/28/2023 1:39am
WhoKnows wrote:

Anyone know about that repeater with the sram motor and no cable tourism?

Gasgas is releasing their ebike soon and that has sram motor so can't be far off.

IMG 5934 2.jpeg?VersionId=tqo637a

And this bike looks pretty good for the Pierer group! Only the price knocks you off your feet

 

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9/28/2023 5:30am
Same visual design - still love it or hate it affair. Otherwise, interesting ideas, although not sure how they can utilize a high pivot with a...

Same visual design - still love it or hate it affair. Otherwise, interesting ideas, although not sure how they can utilize a high pivot with a belt drive… 

Jakub_G wrote:

You need to look at zerode g3

I’ve seen it - although i’m not in love with it, it’s still better in my eyes than a Nikolai…

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jonkranked
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9/28/2023 5:50am
dolface wrote:

It's BONKERS that GM can feel a 3% difference in stiffness...

if you are basically approaching the limit of something (like flex/stiffness) as a big guy like Greg, small changes can be noticeable. he may not be quantifying it "this is x% stiffer" but comparatively, "x is stiffer than y".  

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Jakub_G
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9/28/2023 6:02am

I’ve seen it - although i’m not in love with it, it’s still better in my eyes than a Nikolai…

Why are you asking about HP with belt drive then? 🤨

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9/28/2023 6:37am

From the lates Dialed, a few riders on a new fork cartridge "only 5 or 6 of them in the world" and Neko on a RAD shock "with bunch of sensors".

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sram powertrain in a nutshell - we tested it on a transition - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/sram-goes-e-biking-eagle-powertrain-d…

90Nm Brose motor tuned by SRAM

680W peak power

Two assist modes: Range and Rally

630 & 720Wh battery (integrated or removable options)

250Wh Range Extender sold separately

Top tube integrated Bridge Display

No handlebar-mounted display or control switch options

Display has minimal features. For those who want their ride stats live and on-demand, connecting an ANT+ device is a simple solution

Integrated with Transmission and AXS Pod Controllers (at time of launch only bikes with Transmission are available using Powertrain)

AXS derailleur powered by battery (optional)

Auto Shift and Coast Shift features (uses six magnets instead of one for more accurate, real-time data. Only available with Transmission drivetrain)

Battery life displayed in a percent

Brands launching Powertrain-equipped models in the near future: Transition, Nukeproof, Propain, Gas Gas (fun joke that transition is the only brand using it without a flammable name LOL)

The motor delivers 680W peak power and up to 90Nm of torque.

Photo

Photo

(schroeder mobbing it)

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shreda
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9/28/2023 7:00am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2023 7:01am

Sram's new Eagle "Powertrain" motor will drop today. Will start being available on four different bikes, including the soon to be released Nukeproof Megawatt.

- 90 Nm, up to 6xxW

- 3 drive modes: range, rally, push (customizable via app)

- Auto shift

- Shifting while coasting

- AXS display for toptube

- No cables in the cockpit, all operated by an AXS shifter pod

- Possibility to connect T-Type derailleur to main motor battery

 

Edit: dropped while I was typing Smile

 

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9/28/2023 7:02am
WhoKnows wrote:

Anyone know about that repeater with the sram motor and no cable tourism?

Gasgas is releasing their ebike soon and that has sram motor so can't be far off.

UfuS78 wrote:
And this bike looks pretty good for the Pierer group! Only the price knocks you off your feet  

IMG 5934 2.jpeg?VersionId=tqo637a

And this bike looks pretty good for the Pierer group! Only the price knocks you off your feet

 

I thought we were moving away from gas tank sized downtubes? 

9/28/2023 8:18am
saskskier wrote:

I thought we were moving away from gas tank sized downtubes? 

Gotta keep the moto vibes going, after all, they still are motor cycles Whistling

(Prepared for the "ItS nOt A mOtOrCyClE" comments, E-bikes are rad, this is only for jokes)

 

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9/28/2023 8:52am
sspomer wrote:
sram powertrain in a nutshell - we tested it on a transition - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/sram-goes-e-biking-eagle-powertrain-deep-dive 90Nm Brose motor tuned by SRAM 680W peak power Two assist modes...

sram powertrain in a nutshell - we tested it on a transition - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/sram-goes-e-biking-eagle-powertrain-d…

90Nm Brose motor tuned by SRAM

680W peak power

Two assist modes: Range and Rally

630 & 720Wh battery (integrated or removable options)

250Wh Range Extender sold separately

Top tube integrated Bridge Display

No handlebar-mounted display or control switch options

Display has minimal features. For those who want their ride stats live and on-demand, connecting an ANT+ device is a simple solution

Integrated with Transmission and AXS Pod Controllers (at time of launch only bikes with Transmission are available using Powertrain)

AXS derailleur powered by battery (optional)

Auto Shift and Coast Shift features (uses six magnets instead of one for more accurate, real-time data. Only available with Transmission drivetrain)

Battery life displayed in a percent

Brands launching Powertrain-equipped models in the near future: Transition, Nukeproof, Propain, Gas Gas (fun joke that transition is the only brand using it without a flammable name LOL)

The motor delivers 680W peak power and up to 90Nm of torque.

Photo

Photo

(schroeder mobbing it)

Sounds pretty amazing except for the seat post issue. Sram could’ve come up with a different remote for the left side that would just cycle between walk/range/rally so it would be possible to run the dropper of your choice.

…unless they are finally going to make an AXS Reverb with more sizes…

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9/28/2023 8:54am
From latest Pit Bits: - Upcoming Maxxis tire is called the Mudslayer, per the Santa Cruz pits - New M1 due "early next year"; no set...

From latest Pit Bits:

- Upcoming Maxxis tire is called the Mudslayer, per the Santa Cruz pits

- New M1 due "early next year"; no set date yet but it's in production

No Mudslayer tire coming from Maxxis. 

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