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9/26/2023 9:47pm
Gasgas has a non-ebike "prototype". Looks like an enduro-freeride bike with dual crowns.  https://www.instagram.com/p/CxqjQK3Kqlx/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==

Gasgas has a non-ebike "prototype". Looks like an enduro-freeride bike with dual crowns. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxqjQK3Kqlx/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==

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Onawalk wrote:
You spelled park/DH bike strangely. Nothing "enduro" about a close ratio DH cassette, DC fork, and lack of a dropper post. I dig it though  ...

You spelled park/DH bike strangely.

Nothing "enduro" about a close ratio DH cassette, DC fork, and lack of a dropper post.

I dig it though

 

Straight seat tube, what looks like a 205 trunnion shock, UDH, 180? Boxxer... Doesn't look very DH specific to me. 

It reminds me of the Marin proto. 

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9/26/2023 9:50pm
sspomer wrote:
zink rides michelins and it looks like 29/27.5 mullet. seems like rampagers would want dual 27.5 or 27/26 mullets, eh? interesting though. what re-painted frame is...

zink rides michelins and it looks like 29/27.5 mullet. seems like rampagers would want dual 27.5 or 27/26 mullets, eh? interesting though. what re-painted frame is it? anyone know?

edit: oh, clicked link - it's alex marin's bike.

All this GasGas jibber jabber, and nobody has mentioned his interesting drivetrain…  

All this GasGas jibber jabber, and nobody has mentioned his interesting drivetrain…  Blink

Looks like it's just a single speed tensioner

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9/26/2023 10:37pm

Isn't Zink on Devinci or did I miss something?

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9/26/2023 11:50pm
more from Vorsprung shock. Looks like a spherical bushing. 

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more from Vorsprung shock. Looks like a spherical bushing. 

Is that a Vorsprung shock, as well?

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If Gasgas don't rebrand to Wattwatt, they will have missed the marketing coup of the year.

Upcoming trailhead conversations:

-Hey, what bike is that?

-Wattwatt!

-Hum, I said what bike brand are you riding?

-WattWATT!!

-What is your problem man?

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9/27/2023 12:18am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2023 12:21am
Gasgas has a non-ebike "prototype". Looks like an enduro-freeride bike with dual crowns.  https://www.instagram.com/p/CxqjQK3Kqlx/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==

Gasgas has a non-ebike "prototype". Looks like an enduro-freeride bike with dual crowns. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxqjQK3Kqlx/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==

IMG 20230926 221440.jpg?VersionId=IMG 20230926 221453

It's not a new product.

This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon brand name and it's called the "Raymon FullRay 170". But even that is really just a rebranded catalogue frame in and of itself. Which is a shame, because even though Pierer is such a huge company, none of their brands make and sell any bikes that are noteworthy for technical innovation, well balanced geometry or great value or really remarkable in any other way.

Seems like they have just been riding the mtb-hype wave these past couple of years, selling basic rebranded catalogue bikes to people that don't know any better.

4123FullRay17010.0

Sorry for the poor image quality. But Raymon don't even supply high-resolution pictures on their own website...

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9/27/2023 1:52am
FullSend wrote:
It's not a new product. This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon...

It's not a new product.

This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon brand name and it's called the "Raymon FullRay 170". But even that is really just a rebranded catalogue frame in and of itself. Which is a shame, because even though Pierer is such a huge company, none of their brands make and sell any bikes that are noteworthy for technical innovation, well balanced geometry or great value or really remarkable in any other way.

Seems like they have just been riding the mtb-hype wave these past couple of years, selling basic rebranded catalogue bikes to people that don't know any better.

4123FullRay17010.0

Sorry for the poor image quality. But Raymon don't even supply high-resolution pictures on their own website...

I met them at Eurobike and covered a couple of the "new" Gasgas models, they confirmed that at the moment they are just rebadging stuff from other in-house brands, but they are working on their own bespoke frames for 2024.

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9/27/2023 2:07am
fluider wrote:

Is that a Vorsprung shock, as well?

Yes, there is podcast vital podcast episode about it

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9/27/2023 5:15am
FullSend wrote:
It's not a new product. This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon...

It's not a new product.

This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon brand name and it's called the "Raymon FullRay 170". But even that is really just a rebranded catalogue frame in and of itself. Which is a shame, because even though Pierer is such a huge company, none of their brands make and sell any bikes that are noteworthy for technical innovation, well balanced geometry or great value or really remarkable in any other way.

Seems like they have just been riding the mtb-hype wave these past couple of years, selling basic rebranded catalogue bikes to people that don't know any better.

4123FullRay17010.0

Sorry for the poor image quality. But Raymon don't even supply high-resolution pictures on their own website...

iceman2058 wrote:
I met them at Eurobike and covered a couple of the "new" Gasgas models, they confirmed that at the moment they are just rebadging stuff from...

I met them at Eurobike and covered a couple of the "new" Gasgas models, they confirmed that at the moment they are just rebadging stuff from other in-house brands, but they are working on their own bespoke frames for 2024.

Correct, we have been trickling out some or our own designed bikes but as many of you know, it takes years to do so. Especially at he beginning of Covid. 
We have our Husqvarna Mountain Cross Series which was designed in house. 
The new GasGas ECC will debut next week 10.4.23. Which means SRAM will debut their motor VERY soon. (I signed the NDA, sorry!)

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9/27/2023 5:27am
FullSend wrote:
It's not a new product. This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon...

It's not a new product.

This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon brand name and it's called the "Raymon FullRay 170". But even that is really just a rebranded catalogue frame in and of itself. Which is a shame, because even though Pierer is such a huge company, none of their brands make and sell any bikes that are noteworthy for technical innovation, well balanced geometry or great value or really remarkable in any other way.

Seems like they have just been riding the mtb-hype wave these past couple of years, selling basic rebranded catalogue bikes to people that don't know any better.

4123FullRay17010.0

Sorry for the poor image quality. But Raymon don't even supply high-resolution pictures on their own website...

iceman2058 wrote:
I met them at Eurobike and covered a couple of the "new" Gasgas models, they confirmed that at the moment they are just rebadging stuff from...

I met them at Eurobike and covered a couple of the "new" Gasgas models, they confirmed that at the moment they are just rebadging stuff from other in-house brands, but they are working on their own bespoke frames for 2024.

Yuroshek wrote:
Correct, we have been trickling out some or our own designed bikes but as many of you know, it takes years to do so. Especially at...

Correct, we have been trickling out some or our own designed bikes but as many of you know, it takes years to do so. Especially at he beginning of Covid. 
We have our Husqvarna Mountain Cross Series which was designed in house. 
The new GasGas ECC will debut next week 10.4.23. Which means SRAM will debut their motor VERY soon. (I signed the NDA, sorry!)

As a moto guy I can see why the KTM group has started making bikes. Lots of moto guys use them to get around and especially at off-road races to cycle the track before the race so if you dont know anything about bikes and see gasgas or husqvarna makes one they will probably just buy one of those especially if they have a good relationship/discount at their local dealer as a supported rider. 

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9/27/2023 5:46am

KTM bikes have existed for basically decades. But it's a licensing deal for the brand, it's not the same company. I think the Husqvarna situation is the same. 

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9/27/2023 5:54am
Primoz wrote:
KTM bikes have existed for basically decades. But it's a licensing deal for the brand, it's not the same company. I think the Husqvarna situation is...

KTM bikes have existed for basically decades. But it's a licensing deal for the brand, it's not the same company. I think the Husqvarna situation is the same. 

AFAIK the husky/gas gas bikes are by KTM group. They don't have the rights to KTM bicycles hence using the smaller brands.

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9/27/2023 7:41am
Primoz wrote:

It says Sensus on the chainstay yoke near the BB. What's Cam Zink doing these days?

Zink with Devinci since last year (or 2021, don't remember)

 

Alex Marin run Sensus and GasGas Wink

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9/27/2023 7:51am
new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook         

new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook 
 

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IMG 2892

New propain eeb as well?

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9/27/2023 7:57am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2023 8:01am
new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook         

new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook 
 

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IMG 2892

TannerVal wrote:

New propain eeb as well?

Launched in August. But on the top tube, right behind the display, it says Ekano CF and only the alloy one is available, so looks like a carbon version gonna be release soln. And that also means Sram uses the same fixing patern as Shimano. That's a good Idea 

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9/27/2023 8:15am
new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook         

new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook 
 

IMG 2882 1.jpeg?VersionId=2yYZrt
 

IMG 2891.jpeg?VersionId=SmiQeeBmkD9uCAE ivt
 

IMG 2884 0.jpeg?VersionId=EIs68E UfyPUV.1r.NH2p81hM9C4 T
 

IMG 2892

Wonder if SRAM will have plug in ports for their next generation of droppers and mechs, do away with the external batteries. The seat post would certainly look cleaner. 
 

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9/27/2023 9:00am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2023 9:01am
new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook         

new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook 
 

IMG 2882 1.jpeg?VersionId=2yYZrt
 

IMG 2891.jpeg?VersionId=SmiQeeBmkD9uCAE ivt
 

IMG 2884 0.jpeg?VersionId=EIs68E UfyPUV.1r.NH2p81hM9C4 T
 

IMG 2892

Looks like SRAM is baking in an automatic Transmission? Auto Shift shows up in the HUD with what looks like cadence adjustments.

 

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9/27/2023 10:54am
new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook         

new SRAM Motor posted by german emtb-news.de on facebook 
 

IMG 2882 1.jpeg?VersionId=2yYZrt
 

IMG 2891.jpeg?VersionId=SmiQeeBmkD9uCAE ivt
 

IMG 2884 0.jpeg?VersionId=EIs68E UfyPUV.1r.NH2p81hM9C4 T
 

IMG 2892

TannerVal wrote:

New propain eeb as well?

nicompr wrote:
Launched in August. But on the top tube, right behind the display, it says Ekano CF and only the alloy one is available, so looks like...

Launched in August. But on the top tube, right behind the display, it says Ekano CF and only the alloy one is available, so looks like a carbon version gonna be release soln. And that also means Sram uses the same fixing patern as Shimano. That's a good Idea 

Hmmm definitely doesn't look to be the same as Shimano. More likely they moved to the Sram DU when they tooled the carbon molds. PPN

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9/27/2023 10:55am

Rear Triangle on Minnaar's bike sure does not look production. If it is that carbon work is really bad.image-20230927135415-1

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9/27/2023 11:22am
Gasgas has a non-ebike "prototype". Looks like an enduro-freeride bike with dual crowns.  https://www.instagram.com/p/CxqjQK3Kqlx/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==

Gasgas has a non-ebike "prototype". Looks like an enduro-freeride bike with dual crowns. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxqjQK3Kqlx/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==

IMG 20230926 221440.jpg?VersionId=IMG 20230926 221453

FullSend wrote:
It's not a new product. This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon...

It's not a new product.

This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon brand name and it's called the "Raymon FullRay 170". But even that is really just a rebranded catalogue frame in and of itself. Which is a shame, because even though Pierer is such a huge company, none of their brands make and sell any bikes that are noteworthy for technical innovation, well balanced geometry or great value or really remarkable in any other way.

Seems like they have just been riding the mtb-hype wave these past couple of years, selling basic rebranded catalogue bikes to people that don't know any better.

4123FullRay17010.0

Sorry for the poor image quality. But Raymon don't even supply high-resolution pictures on their own website...

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9/27/2023 11:29am
NY_Star wrote:
Rear Triangle on Minnaar's bike sure does not look production. If it is that carbon work is really bad.

Rear Triangle on Minnaar's bike sure does not look production. If it is that carbon work is really bad.image-20230927135415-1

This is just collusion between plastic surgeons and the bike industry. Soon there will be 2 for 1 services available for removing cellulite from your bike and your ass.

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9/27/2023 11:39am
FullSend wrote:
It's not a new product. This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon...

It's not a new product.

This is just a rebranded frame from another brand under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. It's currently sold under the Raymon brand name and it's called the "Raymon FullRay 170". But even that is really just a rebranded catalogue frame in and of itself. Which is a shame, because even though Pierer is such a huge company, none of their brands make and sell any bikes that are noteworthy for technical innovation, well balanced geometry or great value or really remarkable in any other way.

Seems like they have just been riding the mtb-hype wave these past couple of years, selling basic rebranded catalogue bikes to people that don't know any better.

4123FullRay17010.0

Sorry for the poor image quality. But Raymon don't even supply high-resolution pictures on their own website...

iceman2058 wrote:
I met them at Eurobike and covered a couple of the "new" Gasgas models, they confirmed that at the moment they are just rebadging stuff from...

I met them at Eurobike and covered a couple of the "new" Gasgas models, they confirmed that at the moment they are just rebadging stuff from other in-house brands, but they are working on their own bespoke frames for 2024.

Yuroshek wrote:
Correct, we have been trickling out some or our own designed bikes but as many of you know, it takes years to do so. Especially at...

Correct, we have been trickling out some or our own designed bikes but as many of you know, it takes years to do so. Especially at he beginning of Covid. 
We have our Husqvarna Mountain Cross Series which was designed in house. 
The new GasGas ECC will debut next week 10.4.23. Which means SRAM will debut their motor VERY soon. (I signed the NDA, sorry!)

There’s already pics of it out.  I hope they made it easy to work on! 

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9/27/2023 11:47am
NY_Star wrote:
Rear Triangle on Minnaar's bike sure does not look production. If it is that carbon work is really bad.

Rear Triangle on Minnaar's bike sure does not look production. If it is that carbon work is really bad.image-20230927135415-1

Santa Cruz sent an email to their mailing list about his bike and the custom fabrication they did to the rear triangle. I’ll see if I can find it.

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9/27/2023 11:49am
NY_Star wrote:
Rear Triangle on Minnaar's bike sure does not look production. If it is that carbon work is really bad.

Rear Triangle on Minnaar's bike sure does not look production. If it is that carbon work is really bad.image-20230927135415-1

chriskief wrote:
Santa Cruz sent an email to their mailing list about his bike and the custom fabrication they did to the rear triangle. I’ll see if I...

Santa Cruz sent an email to their mailing list about his bike and the custom fabrication they did to the rear triangle. I’ll see if I can find it.

Yep. Greg wanted a stiffer rear triangle than the current proto V10. They hand-laid some extra plies for him.

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9/27/2023 12:38pm
blensen wrote:

Yep. Greg wanted a stiffer rear triangle than the current proto V10. They hand-laid some extra plies for him.

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9/27/2023 12:43pm

From latest Pit Bits:

- Upcoming Maxxis tire is called the Mudslayer, per the Santa Cruz pits

- New M1 due "early next year"; no set date yet but it's in production

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