MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

That photo does look suspiciously AI modified. The tyre in the foreground doesn’t have that grainy filter so it’s not a standard photo filter. The main issue is that the pivot points on the linkage aren’t even close to being round. 

chill boys, it's just zoomed in with a phone. 🙄

taken in chur, switzerland. all scott gear, guess guy's working at scott.

What "getting pitched forward at the worst of times" are you talking about? Im riding a Dreadnought and never experienced this behaviour so far, and never heard of it. Im interested if this is really a know characteristic of the bikes and something that people complain about? And how do you fix it by lowering the pivot point?

 Red arrows :

The background isn't the original texture of concrete with small-fine gravel... !

Yellow arrows :

Around the frame there is a wierd shadow... !

Green arrows :

The spokes isn't straight and the same with the others, and the color is deferred, and you can clearly see it when the one spoke meets the other one... !

Blue arrows :

Even on the frame and on the linkige you can some imperfections... !

Orange arrow :

WTF is that... !?

Conclusion... :

Because i make modifications on photos and gifs somewhere up to 3 years now... and of course i have made my "own bikes" ... ! It's clearlythat the photo isn't the original and has some "modifications" on it... ( isn't just a zoom up photo...)... !

Probably... 

He enhance the original photo, so he can erase the background and keep the bike and so he can make the changes... (probably to put on the "new shock"...!?)... ! And at the end he put them all together, and then tried to cover all the imperfections as good he could... !

Nice try bud... but you are not good enough... !

Before you starting to downvote and replying BS... Open your eyes and look more carefully... !

@TARTARABLESS 

Some next level tinfoil hat action with the arrows.

Not gonna quote that post but will leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

Just L☻L !

Don't try to play the "smart-ass"... just go back and see careful his post with the photo... but this time with your eyes open... or probably you needed someone to fool you... so it's so difficult to believe the truth... !?

Get Your Minds Out Of The Gutter... L☻L ! 

Looks like a proto 3d Ti link so the existing bike can fit a new shock.  

I don't think it's that people don't believe you (it's obvious that the image has been AI-modified), I think it's just that they think you're trolling. I mean, between the X-Files arrows, the colorful language, and the creative punctuation, it's kinda hard to not get that idea.

I noticed the Commencal team on a different swing arm than the V5 that was just released. Bottom photo is stock frame.

Why would it need a new link to fit _A_ new shock? o.O

@carlinojoevideo that's some serious eagle eyeing!

I haven't looked into six-bar stuff in a little while but this completely flips the suspension layout, although at least to start I think the IC is in a pretty similar spot. I don't have access to Linkage at the moment but I'm sure the changes are more pronounced throughout the travel; here's a quick sketch:

Nope, not so simple. Been there, made that mistake.

In Commencal's case it doesn't change THAT much. If this (changing the location of the pivot near the rear axle) happened on an Atherton bike for example, it would make it a linkage driven 4-bar. On the Polygon it would make it a 6-bar. The Supreme is still a 6-bar layout, regardless of the variant we're looking at.

It will likely change what the antisquat and antirise are doing, even more so probably for the antirise (as the brake is mounted to a whole different link), but yeah, still a 6-bar.

If I had to guess, moving the pivot above and ahead the rear axle a la faux bar would raise the anti-rise. Maybe the team has gotten used to the high anti-rise on the old Supreme so they're looking for a similar feeling on the new bike?

Interesting sketches! The biggest change could be that the new IC doesn’t migrate as much as the current V5.

I was riding a Trek session all last season and have about a week on the V5. I think the Commencal is a nice refined version of the Session because it doesn’t most things a tad bit better… but one attribute of the Trek I can get away from is the “feel” of the bike being very “centered” maybe this is because it’s a single pivot with linkage? I’m not sure, just has this very centered feel through travel and braking, where as the V5 does feel different balence in different parts of the travel.

The amount of antirise wholly depends on what the chainstay (or seatstay) is doing rotation wise as the suspension is moving through the travel. With a multi-link suspension system nothing is a given.

Any info on the Schwalbe “Tacky Chan” rear tire on Austin Dooley’s commencal this weekend?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cr_knEgOPus/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Maybe the top shock mount has to be further forward for the frame to clear an embiggened air can? Or maybe…something sneakier?

Aircans were usually about as bit as springs were, I'm guessing precisely for the frame fitment reasons... It could be quite a wrench in the works if this Aircan was bigger... The Gambler wouldn't be the only bike with fitment issues if that was the case, I'm guessing. 

Its a google pixel 6. Instead of actial zooming it works woth AI. Gosh are you guys annoying 🤣

I was thinking eyelet to rocker issue.  Or maybe they are tweaking leverage Or geometry 

Everyone on here thinks you're a moron, and nobody values your opinion.

GT didn't even read your email, they didn't get a single idea from you or your silly cartoon bikes.

Go and spend your parent's money on fursuits and leave us cyclists in peace.

STFU You Little Tropical Beach, probably you can't draw a simple straight line... !?

How 'bout you two little boys go out for a ride on your bikes and quit being rude or I'll delete all of your posts. M'kuy?

And now more Tech Rumors!...

This PB???

Could be lots of different factors - geometry, suspension tuning, leverage rate, axle path could all affect that sort of thing. The Trek has a much more consistent anti-rise curve (decreasing from around 78% to 63%) whereas the Supreme's values (while I don't have an actual reference) are definitely faster decreasing. This should in theory lead to an increase in wheel rate based on Hugh McLeay's claims (I went to look them up but unfortunately it seems like he took them down from i-Track's site), which could made the suspension feel firmer under braking and therefore less balanced, but AFAIK nobody's really tested this. If I had to guess it's more geometry than anything else, but again there are so many factors involved it's hard to delineate.

Sorry when I said 'flipped' I meant it's still a six-bar; just a different configuration. Really wish I could get on Linkage and test it out because I really don't want to do it by hand 

All new from the ground up more like the made it almost exactly the same and put an extra hole in the frame, 50/50 overlay i made from the other site 

It all has to do with axle path and CS extension. I was riding the Suprem V4.0 when it got released, that bike was great for many things but had a tendency to pitch you forward on hard landing and this was exacerbated in the steeper the landing. Thing is, that bike had a very short reach, combined with a lot of CS growth through the travel It makes your front to rear center ratio change a lot through travel, which make the balance point of your bike change a lot too. I didn't get to try a longer version (2017 and onwards) as I moved to a Fury 2017 which never had the problem and then a Fury 2019 with what could be called a mid pivot and never displayed the same problematic behavior. I remember that I read a few review of HP bikes (might be the Druid, Dreadnought, or something else) that were also complaining of strange behavior in hard landing for instance, last year a friend that was riding a Dreadnought moved to a Giga, when I asked why his answer was along the same lines. 95% of the time my V4 was a great bike, but once I had experienced those 5% it made me very weary of the bike and confidence in the consistency of your bike is key for me to ride the way I want.

To answer your question, and maybe the difference of feel from the Session and the V5, it might be the same answer. The Session is a mid pivot so the CS don't grow that much, a low pivot bike usually grow a few mm before decreasing, sometimes by a lot. Either way your front center gets shortened by a lot when your fork goes into its travel. If you front gets shorter and your back also, the balance point remains roughly in the same spot, but if your rear center grows a few centimeter while your front center shortens then your whole balance point moves backward. That is what happens when you bottom out for instance and if your body stays at the same place all of a sudden you go from centered to very front heavy, very likely to get pitched overboard.