2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes...
2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes rebound, which is very suboptimal.
In short, they reinvented the wheel, when the 2022 is a better product when it comes to compression and rebound damping, all to implement HBO, which wasn't needed that desperately.
Steve- changing HSC does nothing to your rebound setting (on either SDLX air or coil). I'll need to see your dyno graphs proving otherwise.
or because it's .*~aero~*.
Also likely that there is a chainring-based power meter option. The new SRAM Force AXS dropped today, and they are offering chainring-integrated...
or because it's .*~aero~*.
Also likely that there is a chainring-based power meter option. The new SRAM Force AXS dropped today, and they are offering chainring-integrated power meters AND crank-based power meters. Apparently chainring-based is more accurate and stiffer, but nice to see a crank option so your power meter doesn't die when your chainrings wear out.
I really find it silly that they are possibly bringing that integrated power meter to MTB. Just hoping they will make a T-Type 104 BCD chainring for us Quarq spider users. I guess if they don't then companies like Wolftooth etc will.
$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a...
$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a few days with a tuner to get a revalve for my speed and weight, and have a better performing shock overall.
Push shocks are valved for your weight and speed, plus they’ll re-valve it for you for shipping costs within 60 days if you’re not happy with the ride. I can’t fault anyone for not paying the $$$ for a Push, but if you’re going to spend the $$$ you might as well end up with a shock with a warranty.
$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a...
$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a few days with a tuner to get a revalve for my speed and weight, and have a better performing shock overall.
Push shocks are valved for your weight and speed, plus they’ll re-valve it for you for shipping costs within 60 days if you’re not happy with...
Push shocks are valved for your weight and speed, plus they’ll re-valve it for you for shipping costs within 60 days if you’re not happy with the ride. I can’t fault anyone for not paying the $$$ for a Push, but if you’re going to spend the $$$ you might as well end up with a shock with a warranty.
agreed that price is heavy and not for everyone/most riders. fwiw, if shock is sent in for service each year, warranty is reset for another year, not to mention if you get a new bike, they'll configure the shock to the new bike. when we were w/ darren, he said that shock #47 from 2016 (or some long-ass time ago), came in for service, still going strong. different ways to perceive "cost" or value.
$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a...
$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a few days with a tuner to get a revalve for my speed and weight, and have a better performing shock overall.
New (refreshed) Force AXS dropped today. I think the last time they had a load of stuff to release, it was pretty much weekly from the first one forward.
2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes...
2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes rebound, which is very suboptimal.
In short, they reinvented the wheel, when the 2022 is a better product when it comes to compression and rebound damping, all to implement HBO, which wasn't needed that desperately.
New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.
New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.
Interesting headset with obviously integrated cable routing but would it be possible to have some reach adjustment?
BTW, I'm shocked it's not standard on more bikes to have some reach and angleset adjustment. I would minimize the number of molds required: manufacturers could probably tackle 6 sizes with 2 front triangles. I think GG is doing something similar.
Yup, me too. That's how it was written in the manuals back in the day. However, most of the websites count from closed these days. Which it's stupid if you ask me, since fully closed means a completely inactive suspension, and ideally you'd like it to be as active as possible, without hindering control.
Yup, me too. That's how it was written in the manuals back in the day. However, most of the websites count from closed these days. Which...
Yup, me too. That's how it was written in the manuals back in the day. However, most of the websites count from closed these days. Which it's stupid if you ask me, since fully closed means a completely inactive suspension, and ideally you'd like it to be as active as possible, without hindering control.
It is because the open reference is not fixed, but the closed reference is fixed. It is due to tolerances. Count from closed - always.
Out of curiosity, when on a RS fork or shock, when it says +3 clicks of HSC, what does that mean to you?
Like where are...
Out of curiosity, when on a RS fork or shock, when it says +3 clicks of HSC, what does that mean to you?
Like where are YOU starting from, and which way are you turning the dial?
Just curious
Now that means +3 clicks from the middle- nominal- setting (on charger 3 and new shocks). That was a massive discussion and re-thought of how people should set up their suspension. We wanted people to use the knobs- making it the normal/default setting in the middle of the range was hoping to push people to actually use the damper.
Otherwise it's count out from closed as that is almost always a hard-stop of a valve being completely closed (and you can compare that to your buddy's fork/shock of the same type). Most of the time the open side has a few dead clicks that don't do anything measurable (tolerance eaters) so better to count from closed. I guess read the manual for your specific shock/fork and it should say where to count from.
Now that means +3 clicks from the middle- nominal- setting (on charger 3 and new shocks). That was a massive discussion and re-thought of how people...
Now that means +3 clicks from the middle- nominal- setting (on charger 3 and new shocks). That was a massive discussion and re-thought of how people should set up their suspension. We wanted people to use the knobs- making it the normal/default setting in the middle of the range was hoping to push people to actually use the damper.
Otherwise it's count out from closed as that is almost always a hard-stop of a valve being completely closed (and you can compare that to your buddy's fork/shock of the same type). Most of the time the open side has a few dead clicks that don't do anything measurable (tolerance eaters) so better to count from closed. I guess read the manual for your specific shock/fork and it should say where to count from.
Now that makes an excellent explanation on why I should change from counting from open to counting from closed. Thanks for the enlightingment!
Now that means +3 clicks from the middle- nominal- setting (on charger 3 and new shocks). That was a massive discussion and re-thought of how people...
Now that means +3 clicks from the middle- nominal- setting (on charger 3 and new shocks). That was a massive discussion and re-thought of how people should set up their suspension. We wanted people to use the knobs- making it the normal/default setting in the middle of the range was hoping to push people to actually use the damper.
Otherwise it's count out from closed as that is almost always a hard-stop of a valve being completely closed (and you can compare that to your buddy's fork/shock of the same type). Most of the time the open side has a few dead clicks that don't do anything measurable (tolerance eaters) so better to count from closed. I guess read the manual for your specific shock/fork and it should say where to count from.
I was aware of the change, just wanted to see if those that complain, had actually read the manual.
I find most people are bewildered by suspension setup, and struggle to correctly twiddle their knobs to even get to the factory recommended settings.
Appreciate the info dave, youre out here doing good work
inside line ride along w/ john hall, team robot, schroeder, simonetti and me is up now. tons of rad bike nerd stuff. it' only 3 hours 15 mins, so we couldn't cover everything : ) video or podcast channel
Steve- changing HSC does nothing to your rebound setting (on either SDLX air or coil). I'll need to see your dyno graphs proving otherwise.
I really find it silly that they are possibly bringing that integrated power meter to MTB. Just hoping they will make a T-Type 104 BCD chainring for us Quarq spider users. I guess if they don't then companies like Wolftooth etc will.
Push shocks are valved for your weight and speed, plus they’ll re-valve it for you for shipping costs within 60 days if you’re not happy with the ride. I can’t fault anyone for not paying the $$$ for a Push, but if you’re going to spend the $$$ you might as well end up with a shock with a warranty.
agreed that price is heavy and not for everyone/most riders. fwiw, if shock is sent in for service each year, warranty is reset for another year, not to mention if you get a new bike, they'll configure the shock to the new bike. when we were w/ darren, he said that shock #47 from 2016 (or some long-ass time ago), came in for service, still going strong. different ways to perceive "cost" or value.
I would rather buy a cane creek instead of rs
Looks good! Hopefully it will be 15k+$
Any day now…..
In the picture there's a bolt in the top tube, behind the shock near the seat tube, suggesting that there is a short link to drive the shock.
New (refreshed) Force AXS dropped today. I think the last time they had a load of stuff to release, it was pretty much weekly from the first one forward.
10/10 Noah
I did do some math and stared at a dyno for a long time. It's frustrating to read stuff stated as fact that is not correct.
Dat’s purdy
There are a lot of stupid people in the comments (me included) and mr. Camp is not one of them from my understanding.
That doesn't change the fact the HSC adjustment is bullshit on them though.
can you explain?
Interesting headset with obviously integrated cable routing but would it be possible to have some reach adjustment?
BTW, I'm shocked it's not standard on more bikes to have some reach and angleset adjustment. I would minimize the number of molds required: manufacturers could probably tackle 6 sizes with 2 front triangles. I think GG is doing something similar.
I think he wants MoAr sHiMZ…
Out of curiosity, when on a RS fork or shock, when it says +3 clicks of HSC, what does that mean to you?
Like where are YOU starting from, and which way are you turning the dial?
Just curious
Aww the Specialized Epicaliber were removed
from open
Yup, me too. That's how it was written in the manuals back in the day. However, most of the websites count from closed these days. Which it's stupid if you ask me, since fully closed means a completely inactive suspension, and ideally you'd like it to be as active as possible, without hindering control.
It is because the open reference is not fixed, but the closed reference is fixed. It is due to tolerances. Count from closed - always.
Have you tried Cyclinic?
Now that means +3 clicks from the middle- nominal- setting (on charger 3 and new shocks). That was a massive discussion and re-thought of how people should set up their suspension. We wanted people to use the knobs- making it the normal/default setting in the middle of the range was hoping to push people to actually use the damper.
Otherwise it's count out from closed as that is almost always a hard-stop of a valve being completely closed (and you can compare that to your buddy's fork/shock of the same type). Most of the time the open side has a few dead clicks that don't do anything measurable (tolerance eaters) so better to count from closed. I guess read the manual for your specific shock/fork and it should say where to count from.
Now that makes an excellent explanation on why I should change from counting from open to counting from closed. Thanks for the enlightingment!
I was aware of the change, just wanted to see if those that complain, had actually read the manual.
I find most people are bewildered by suspension setup, and struggle to correctly twiddle their knobs to even get to the factory recommended settings.
Appreciate the info dave, youre out here doing good work
inside line ride along w/ john hall, team robot, schroeder, simonetti and me is up now. tons of rad bike nerd stuff. it' only 3 hours 15 mins, so we couldn't cover everything : ) video or podcast channel
https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/john-hall-inside-line-ride-along-ep-2
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