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New clip in pedal from Crankbrothers

Primoz
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Eagle only in March, Sid and Boxxer have their own release dates down the road

XX/XO is March.

GX is June.

unsure on suspension releases.

Source: the back of a weet-bix packet.

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

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2/28/2023 10:57am
sspomer wrote:
push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elevensix-mountain-bike-shock mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for...

push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elev…

mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for $160. shock price is $1600.

R (left) vs S (right) visual comparison

elevensixRvselevensixS

 

price is insane....  better to pickup a used one and have it modded for $160.  Or just buy the new RS and save yourself 1k.

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2/28/2023 11:53am
Primoz wrote:

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

XX/X0 almost certainly only wireless 
GX will likely have a cable actuated option

Price tiers: 
XX
X0
GX (AXS)
GX (Cable) 

 

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2/28/2023 1:24pm
Primoz wrote:

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

XX/X0 almost certainly only wireless 
GX will likely have a cable actuated option

Price tiers: 
XX
X0
GX (AXS)
GX (Cable) 

 

This coupled with the suggested timeline sure sounds like I'll be riding a shimano drivetrain after 15 years... 

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2/28/2023 2:58pm
sspomer wrote:
push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elevensix-mountain-bike-shock mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for...

push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elev…

mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for $160. shock price is $1600.

R (left) vs S (right) visual comparison

elevensixRvselevensixS

 

price is insane....  better to pickup a used one and have it modded for $160.  Or just buy the new RS and save yourself 1k.

If RockShox was machining their high end shocks stateside at push’s standards they’d be a hell of a lot more expensive even disregarding volume.

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Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

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26aintdead
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2/28/2023 3:26pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

don't think that's a flexstay, looks like a gap behind the bb and a pivot point

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Masjo
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2/28/2023 3:33pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

26aintdead wrote:

don't think that's a flexstay, looks like a gap behind the bb and a pivot point

The bike does not have a pivot at the rear axle, and I don't think there is a pivot at the BB, I can't see there being enough room behind the crank and the non-drive side looks solidly attached. 

2/28/2023 3:57pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

26aintdead wrote:

don't think that's a flexstay, looks like a gap behind the bb and a pivot point

It's a point at the seatstay (or chainstay in the place of a Horst pivot in the Cannondale Scalpel) that flexes. There's a regular pivot above the BB.

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2/28/2023 6:02pm

At least it looks potentially slightly easier to service the shock than the Trek Supercaliber which is HORRENDOUS.

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2/28/2023 6:18pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

Point taken, but I also wonder if it could be something with the new flat-top chain? I wouldn't be too surprised to see a new X-Sync profile since the second version debuted with Eagle almost exactly 7 years ago. Whatever it is I'm sure the guide is just there for the extra security like you said.

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2/28/2023 6:26pm
sspomer wrote:
push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elevensix-mountain-bike-shock mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for...

push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elev…

mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for $160. shock price is $1600.

R (left) vs S (right) visual comparison

elevensixRvselevensixS

 

price is insane....  better to pickup a used one and have it modded for $160.  Or just buy the new RS and save yourself 1k.

is the 2023 Super Deluxe that good? When this DHX2 blows up again (inevitable) I'd consider one, stock in Aus is nil however. Rocking horse shit.

2/28/2023 7:13pm
brash wrote:

is the 2023 Super Deluxe that good? When this DHX2 blows up again (inevitable) I'd consider one, stock in Aus is nil however. Rocking horse shit.

I certainly haven't heard anything to the contrary. Even if it might not be quite as soft as the DHX2, the reliability (so far) and HBO are measurable improvements, plus it's cheaper.

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2/28/2023 8:29pm

Eagle only in March, Sid and Boxxer have their own release dates down the road

XX/XO is March.

GX is June.

unsure on suspension releases.

Source: the back of a weet-bix packet.

Primoz wrote:

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

Man,

You can literally go out today and buy all the XX1 components your little heart desires that are still cable actuated, Canadian online parts suppliers have it all in stock (TBS bike parts) except the crankset.  Please, just go buy it, and ride yer bike, and stop worrying about it.  Its not that big a deal, you'll be just fine.

Maybe chill out on your obsession with new SRAM highest tier only being AXS, which is only speculation. 

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2/28/2023 11:11pm
brash wrote:

is the 2023 Super Deluxe that good? When this DHX2 blows up again (inevitable) I'd consider one, stock in Aus is nil however. Rocking horse shit.

2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes rebound, which is very suboptimal.

 

In short, they reinvented the wheel, when the 2022 is a better product when it comes to compression and rebound damping, all to implement HBO, which wasn't needed that desperately. 

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2/28/2023 11:37pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

All it proves is how bad Sram clutch systems are. I have been running Shimano Deore 12s for the last 3 seasons on my enduro which spends a lot of time in the Park as well, and on my agressive HT, and haven't experienced any chain drop during that time, not even once. Meanwhile a good friend that has XO Eagle has been dropping chains all the time even on mellow enough trails. Get a Shimano derailleur and you won't need a chain guide. It's has other issues but chain dropping isn't one.

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2/28/2023 11:42pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

All it proves is how bad Sram clutch systems are. I have been running Shimano Deore 12s for the last 3 seasons on my enduro which...

All it proves is how bad Sram clutch systems are. I have been running Shimano Deore 12s for the last 3 seasons on my enduro which spends a lot of time in the Park as well, and on my agressive HT, and haven't experienced any chain drop during that time, not even once. Meanwhile a good friend that has XO Eagle has been dropping chains all the time even on mellow enough trails. Get a Shimano derailleur and you won't need a chain guide. It's has other issues but chain dropping isn't one.

Sample size of one. I’ve run X01 AXS and GX AXS for the last 3 seasons with precisely one dropped chain that I recall, from a crash. 

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2/28/2023 11:56pm
brash wrote:

is the 2023 Super Deluxe that good? When this DHX2 blows up again (inevitable) I'd consider one, stock in Aus is nil however. Rocking horse shit.

2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes...

2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes rebound, which is very suboptimal.

 

In short, they reinvented the wheel, when the 2022 is a better product when it comes to compression and rebound damping, all to implement HBO, which wasn't needed that desperately. 

Same situation here. My dhx2 works good but blows up after 15-20 rides. I want to ride a shock without be affraid to have problem.

That was the same problem with the CC double barrel coil cs

 

Rockshox will be the next one

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3/1/2023 12:02am
Primoz wrote:

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

Nothing. Sorry.

even bought a new box today to see if that one had an update. Nothing.

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3/1/2023 2:56am

$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a few days with a tuner to get a revalve for my speed and weight, and have a better performing shock overall. 

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3/1/2023 6:43am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2023 6:47am

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 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

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3/1/2023 7:00am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2023 7:02am
 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

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 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral rigidity

SRAM still keeping that new crank a secret??? Besides the hole in it what am I missing? A power meter or something?

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3/1/2023 7:29am
 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

331720157 892082015396393 73591918638295602 n

 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral...

I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral rigidity

SRAM still keeping that new crank a secret??? Besides the hole in it what am I missing? A power meter or something?

or because it's .*~aero~*.

Also likely that there is a chainring-based power meter option. The new SRAM Force AXS dropped today, and they are offering chainring-integrated power meters AND crank-based power meters. Apparently chainring-based is more accurate and stiffer, but nice to see a crank option so your power meter doesn't die when your chainrings wear out. 

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