I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top 30 with more rooting interest and give those riders closer to mean reason to push harder.
Martin's proposed structure makes all the sense in the world too. What's crazy, would simply require
I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top...
I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top 30 with more rooting interest and give those riders closer to mean reason to push harder.
Martin's proposed structure makes all the sense in the world too. What's crazy, would simply require
Some papering restructure.
There are team points, currently used to award the team standings for the day and the overall but they're not well-known or understood (or worth much).
Either way, Nekos done an impressive job with promotion and sponsorship, since 100 bikes haven’t even yet been sold. But somehow he’s pulling in a million...
Either way, Nekos done an impressive job with promotion and sponsorship, since 100 bikes haven’t even yet been sold. But somehow he’s pulling in a million dollars to run three riders on the WC circuit.
Three riders, probably two mechanics, paying Martin Whiteley, travel, salary, taxes - surely this venture requires a cool mil.
I would be surprised to hear the frameworks team has a million dollar budget. Teams with consistent podium riders can cost less than that… junior salaries like Asa are nowhere near that of a top elite rider. It seems like there was hints at the riders getting a share in the company as part of their contract compensation too.
I would be surprised to hear the frameworks team has a million dollar budget. Teams with consistent podium riders can cost less than that… junior salaries...
I would be surprised to hear the frameworks team has a million dollar budget. Teams with consistent podium riders can cost less than that… junior salaries like Asa are nowhere near that of a top elite rider. It seems like there was hints at the riders getting a share in the company as part of their contract compensation too.
There maybe funding streams for the team that are not necessarily just made on a business decision. Sometimes people with money want to see their friends succeed at what they are doing and are willing to support that without seeing a direct monetary benefit.
I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top...
I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top 30 with more rooting interest and give those riders closer to mean reason to push harder.
Martin's proposed structure makes all the sense in the world too. What's crazy, would simply require
There are team points, currently used to award the team standings for the day and the overall but they're not well-known or understood (or worth much).
There maybe funding streams for the team that are not necessarily just made on a business decision. Sometimes people with money want to see their friends succeed...
There maybe funding streams for the team that are not necessarily just made on a business decision. Sometimes people with money want to see their friends succeed at what they are doing and are willing to support that without seeing a direct monetary benefit.
There maybe funding streams for the team that are not necessarily just made on a business decision. Sometimes people with money want to see their friends succeed...
There maybe funding streams for the team that are not necessarily just made on a business decision. Sometimes people with money want to see their friends succeed at what they are doing and are willing to support that without seeing a direct monetary benefit.
I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top...
I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top 30 with more rooting interest and give those riders closer to mean reason to push harder.
Martin's proposed structure makes all the sense in the world too. What's crazy, would simply require
Some papering restructure.
There is a maximum of ten riders for uci elite teams at world cup mtb and there is an overall team ranking for all disciplines.
There maybe funding streams for the team that are not necessarily just made on a business decision. Sometimes people with money want to see their friends succeed...
There maybe funding streams for the team that are not necessarily just made on a business decision. Sometimes people with money want to see their friends succeed at what they are doing and are willing to support that without seeing a direct monetary benefit.
If you’ve got $10k for a quarter panel when the tier 1 team’s quarter panel goes for $150k, Rick Ware will put your name on it. He’s a hustler. On the SX side, he’s not the fastest paying boss from what I know.
I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top...
I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top 30 with more rooting interest and give those riders closer to mean reason to push harder.
Martin's proposed structure makes all the sense in the world too. What's crazy, would simply require
I would be surprised to hear the frameworks team has a million dollar budget. Teams with consistent podium riders can cost less than that… junior salaries...
I would be surprised to hear the frameworks team has a million dollar budget. Teams with consistent podium riders can cost less than that… junior salaries like Asa are nowhere near that of a top elite rider. It seems like there was hints at the riders getting a share in the company as part of their contract compensation too.
Neko, Asa, mystery rider, Anxo, Logan, probably one other mechanic/support person. At a minimum average of $50k salary per person per year you’re already at $300k. Then Martin Whiteley’s management cost ($25-50k). Add on travel (bare minimum $5k per race per person, so $25-30k per race x 8 WC races, then domestic races. There’s another $300k at a minimum. Tack on insurance, taxes and other stuff. So $600k on a tight budget, and the whole reason riders get Martin Whiteley involved is so they aren’t on a shoestring budget.
I sure hope Neko’s salary is at least $150k though. Hence the round number of a cool mil
I think the team points should be your top 2 men, top women, top junior (men or women).
And you should be required to have them start in order to qualify. If there are going to be less teams then then they should be slightly larger. 10 is a little too much, that might be taken from the original road rules and never adjusted? not sure.
If you’ve got $10k for a quarter panel when the tier 1 team’s quarter panel goes for $150k, Rick Ware will put your name on it...
If you’ve got $10k for a quarter panel when the tier 1 team’s quarter panel goes for $150k, Rick Ware will put your name on it. He’s a hustler. On the SX side, he’s not the fastest paying boss from what I know.
Is he faster paying than the team that vaporized under McElrath and others last year?
That was a horrid situation. Come out of 250s as title holder, jacked his back up, missed half the year, showed up for his first 450 qualifier and got 7th....then the season flipped him off & he rolled into that new team and POOF! No team. No money.
We talk about DH having some quick flip circumstances but SX is just evil.
Granted, it's not like DH where you have to travel the world to get to the big events if a team folds. You can at least drive yourself across the US for SX season in a pickup.
Which is why we really need a big money backer for a US National series like Hendrick Auto.
Vali Höll said in Snowshoe she is sad because she won't work with some brands anylonger. I thought she meant Rockshox/Sram. Maybe it's uncaged in 2024 and she can ride RS/Sram stuff.
I wonder how exactly the uncaged setup works because there’s no way Jack Moir isn’t getting paid to run sram. I wonder if they just use it as an excuse to pay riders less because they’re “free” to pursue personal deals?
I wonder how exactly the uncaged setup works because there’s no way Jack Moir isn’t getting paid to run sram. I wonder if they just use...
I wonder how exactly the uncaged setup works because there’s no way Jack Moir isn’t getting paid to run sram. I wonder if they just use it as an excuse to pay riders less because they’re “free” to pursue personal deals?
Think Jack is on the SRAM Blackbox program. Think YT just pay for all there other components they decide to use, this way they aren’t getting stuck using stuff they don’t like, ie: Tyres…. And they can bounce around and try new stuff throughout the year with out infringing on contract that might be put in place like other teams. ie: Kade Edward’s getting nailed for wearing a fox helmet when the Trek team was sponsored by 100%.
If you’ve got $10k for a quarter panel when the tier 1 team’s quarter panel goes for $150k, Rick Ware will put your name on it...
If you’ve got $10k for a quarter panel when the tier 1 team’s quarter panel goes for $150k, Rick Ware will put your name on it. He’s a hustler. On the SX side, he’s not the fastest paying boss from what I know.
Is he faster paying than the team that vaporized under McElrath and others last year?
That was a horrid situation. Come out of 250s as title...
Is he faster paying than the team that vaporized under McElrath and others last year?
That was a horrid situation. Come out of 250s as title holder, jacked his back up, missed half the year, showed up for his first 450 qualifier and got 7th....then the season flipped him off & he rolled into that new team and POOF! No team. No money.
We talk about DH having some quick flip circumstances but SX is just evil.
Granted, it's not like DH where you have to travel the world to get to the big events if a team folds. You can at least drive yourself across the US for SX season in a pickup.
Which is why we really need a big money backer for a US National series like Hendrick Auto.
Shane with MDK or Ware? Both are interesting characters. However, MDK is a legit billionaire. He also owed Travis Preston a lot of money when he owned the Jagermeister SX/MX team. Had to take Kvamme to court for it.
Think Jack is on the SRAM Blackbox program. Think YT just pay for all there other components they decide to use, this way they aren’t getting...
Think Jack is on the SRAM Blackbox program. Think YT just pay for all there other components they decide to use, this way they aren’t getting stuck using stuff they don’t like, ie: Tyres…. And they can bounce around and try new stuff throughout the year with out infringing on contract that might be put in place like other teams. ie: Kade Edward’s getting nailed for wearing a fox helmet when the Trek team was sponsored by 100%.
I was thinking more on the financial side. Surely YT aren’t just footing the bill out of the goodness of their own hearts?
This could be a hint… anyone seen Angel in the US or Logan in Europe this fall? Charlie has been on the bike and nearby Logan and folks…
I wish teams could only be of a certain number and there were team points. It would provide a reason to watch riders outside the top 30 with more rooting interest and give those riders closer to mean reason to push harder.
Martin's proposed structure makes all the sense in the world too. What's crazy, would simply require
Some papering restructure.
There are team points, currently used to award the team standings for the day and the overall but they're not well-known or understood (or worth much).
I would be surprised to hear the frameworks team has a million dollar budget. Teams with consistent podium riders can cost less than that… junior salaries like Asa are nowhere near that of a top elite rider. It seems like there was hints at the riders getting a share in the company as part of their contract compensation too.
There maybe funding streams for the team that are not necessarily just made on a business decision. Sometimes people with money want to see their friends succeed at what they are doing and are willing to support that without seeing a direct monetary benefit.
Yeah, but it's super fun as currently is.
Charity sponsorship? Damn, that sounds nice!
In DH, there's a Team known as MS Racing.
In SX, there's a team called Rick Ware Racing.
MCR Bullfrog spas. Team Tedder. Every local AX/SX privateer with a construction company sponsor lol.
There is a maximum of ten riders for uci elite teams at world cup mtb and there is an overall team ranking for all disciplines.
It's been like that for many years
If you’ve got $10k for a quarter panel when the tier 1 team’s quarter panel goes for $150k, Rick Ware will put your name on it. He’s a hustler. On the SX side, he’s not the fastest paying boss from what I know.
This is obvious...but it's not a good set up. To be in the "team" competition the teams should be of equal number.
Anyway, I accidentally hijacked this thread.
Back to rumors! Let's go Angel!
I agree 👍
Neko, Asa, mystery rider, Anxo, Logan, probably one other mechanic/support person. At a minimum average of $50k salary per person per year you’re already at $300k. Then Martin Whiteley’s management cost ($25-50k). Add on travel (bare minimum $5k per race per person, so $25-30k per race x 8 WC races, then domestic races. There’s another $300k at a minimum. Tack on insurance, taxes and other stuff. So $600k on a tight budget, and the whole reason riders get Martin Whiteley involved is so they aren’t on a shoestring budget.
I sure hope Neko’s salary is at least $150k though. Hence the round number of a cool mil
I saw that he has been at home for the last couple months so…
I think the team points should be your top 2 men, top women, top junior (men or women).
And you should be required to have them start in order to qualify. If there are going to be less teams then then they should be slightly larger. 10 is a little too much, that might be taken from the original road rules and never adjusted? not sure.
You sure?
Is he faster paying than the team that vaporized under McElrath and others last year?
That was a horrid situation. Come out of 250s as title holder, jacked his back up, missed half the year, showed up for his first 450 qualifier and got 7th....then the season flipped him off & he rolled into that new team and POOF! No team. No money.
We talk about DH having some quick flip circumstances but SX is just evil.
Granted, it's not like DH where you have to travel the world to get to the big events if a team folds. You can at least drive yourself across the US for SX season in a pickup.
Which is why we really need a big money backer for a US National series like Hendrick Auto.
YAY, even more SX comparisons! Just what we all come here for, in an MTB forum of all places....
Thomas Genon off Canyon. Thomas Lemoine was already known. Interesting to see where they're heading...
Looks that way.. just saw this..
https://www.instagram.com/p/C1Kv_VBNN5B/?igsh=N2o5YXEyYXA1OTdu
I wonder how exactly the uncaged setup works because there’s no way Jack Moir isn’t getting paid to run sram. I wonder if they just use it as an excuse to pay riders less because they’re “free” to pursue personal deals?
Antoine Pierron off join the union too
It was pointed out a ways back, but Intense is going HARD with their history posts. That tells me that they're gearing up for a new team launch?
Think Jack is on the SRAM Blackbox program. Think YT just pay for all there other components they decide to use, this way they aren’t getting stuck using stuff they don’t like, ie: Tyres…. And they can bounce around and try new stuff throughout the year with out infringing on contract that might be put in place like other teams. ie: Kade Edward’s getting nailed for wearing a fox helmet when the Trek team was sponsored by 100%.
Shane with MDK or Ware? Both are interesting characters. However, MDK is a legit billionaire. He also owed Travis Preston a lot of money when he owned the Jagermeister SX/MX team. Had to take Kvamme to court for it.
Two different disciplines but one could learn from the other.
Meg Whyte on Forbidden
I was thinking more on the financial side. Surely YT aren’t just footing the bill out of the goodness of their own hearts?
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