Given stems cost more than $50 these days I think that would be an impossible target. Moto steering dampers start at around $350 and get up there...
Given stems cost more than $50 these days I think that would be an impossible target.
Moto steering dampers start at around $350 and get up there quite quick. Early MTB ones (Hopey is the only one I can think of) weren't approaching $650 but they were several hundred bucks 20 years ago. This seems to be quite a technical product with a lot of R&D so the price doesnt surprise me too much
Well,here’s one thing I can already say that is very positive about Padmelon. I placed my order yesterday but was hemming and hawing about whether to...
Well,here’s one thing I can already say that is very positive about Padmelon. I placed my order yesterday but was hemming and hawing about whether to order for my DH bike or enduro bike. I decided enduro and quickly ordered as I was late getting out the door. Apparently I had mistakenly added the mount for my DH bike instead of my enduro bike but had ordered the correct damper. The Padmelon team caught it, sent me an email and told me they would hold the order until I confirmed. This saved me a lot of time and money and was much appreciated. That kind of CS will go a long way and is awesome to see. I get $650 is a lot for this part and that it is unlikely to provide that level of value for a lot of people but they’re doing things the right way and I’m glad I am giving them a shot.
Showed up today. Will likely head to a bike park on 8/30 so that's probably when I'll try it out and will post a review in a separate thread when I do (sorry not a rumor but relevant to what we had discussed). Feels very solidly built and installation looks extremely straightforward.
Why all of a sudden is it despicable that Specialized sell bikes online? I'm sure they're not the only ones... In the UK if you buy from...
Why all of a sudden is it despicable that Specialized sell bikes online? I'm sure they're not the only ones...
In the UK if you buy from them, they can ship it to your door, or you can "click and collect" it from your dealer. You can however only click and collect it if it is instock at their warehouse or at the dealer itself.
If it's not in stock at the warehouse Specialized have select dealers (mostly their owned ones) can also ship it to you too. The owned retail shops also regularly move stock between them (via TNT/Fedex). So if you walk into a shop that doesn't have the bike you're going to buy, it can be shipped to that location to be prepped for you. It's a pretty good system from my experience... for the customer at least.
From the info I can see the Stumpy is in low supply at the UK warehouse (which could mean loads are sitting in shop windows) and new stock which comes from the EU warehouse is a couple of months... which means that their stock is low too. I don't believe they're flying out the doo, but it's not abysmal. Just like every other brands bikes that aren't E.
The UK shops that struggle with Spesh are generally the ones that have a massive portfolio of brands and don't order much, so why should Spesh be loyal to them when there are other shops that do better (work harder) for the brand. Again that's just standard business.
Without aiming to get the last word in on this installment of thread derailment, could I ask that we get back to tech rumours. Please
I know there's not much happening, so maybe we just don't post in this thread until something actually happens?
That's totally fine, I'm just pointing out that it could be affecting sales numbers as some people only want to purchase bikes from shops. It also means there are not as many on the sales floor for people to test ride or sit on, and with a new style of shock, many in the know will likely want to see it and feel it.
Re: that small batch steel frame first look on the other website:
The statement that the founder's priority is durability, being "less than impressed" with modern day full suspension mountain bikes nicely captions the opening photo of a bike with a Cane Creek air shock
Rumors say there are two new trek bikes in the pipeline coming soon. Any more infos here?
Heavy rumours of an updated rail with the gen 5 bosch.(carbon & alloy) (maybe release of full gen 4 rail in both carbon & alloy) & the gen 4 rail is really good but not made in alloy sadely.
I've also heard of a session & fuel exe update, being the exe getting the bigger TQ battery that the slash+ has
Slash 25' colour ways about to be released... so i assume that.
Given stems cost more than $50 these days I think that would be an impossible target. Moto steering dampers start at around $350 and get up there...
Given stems cost more than $50 these days I think that would be an impossible target.
Moto steering dampers start at around $350 and get up there quite quick. Early MTB ones (Hopey is the only one I can think of) weren't approaching $650 but they were several hundred bucks 20 years ago. This seems to be quite a technical product with a lot of R&D so the price doesnt surprise me too much
Well,here’s one thing I can already say that is very positive about Padmelon. I placed my order yesterday but was hemming and hawing about whether to...
Well,here’s one thing I can already say that is very positive about Padmelon. I placed my order yesterday but was hemming and hawing about whether to order for my DH bike or enduro bike. I decided enduro and quickly ordered as I was late getting out the door. Apparently I had mistakenly added the mount for my DH bike instead of my enduro bike but had ordered the correct damper. The Padmelon team caught it, sent me an email and told me they would hold the order until I confirmed. This saved me a lot of time and money and was much appreciated. That kind of CS will go a long way and is awesome to see. I get $650 is a lot for this part and that it is unlikely to provide that level of value for a lot of people but they’re doing things the right way and I’m glad I am giving them a shot.
Showed up today. Will likely head to a bike park on 8/30 so that's probably when I'll try it out and will post a review in...
Showed up today. Will likely head to a bike park on 8/30 so that's probably when I'll try it out and will post a review in a separate thread when I do (sorry not a rumor but relevant to what we had discussed). Feels very solidly built and installation looks extremely straightforward.
Pretty sure when I bought mine back in 2005?
They were close to $200-300 each. Lot of carefully finished machining and anodizing. In case nobody has noticed everything has skyrocketed in price since Brandon snuck in and started printing fiat currency. MTB’s are heading to snowski level where only rich people do it.
Why all of a sudden is it despicable that Specialized sell bikes online? I'm sure they're not the only ones... In the UK if you buy from...
Why all of a sudden is it despicable that Specialized sell bikes online? I'm sure they're not the only ones...
In the UK if you buy from them, they can ship it to your door, or you can "click and collect" it from your dealer. You can however only click and collect it if it is instock at their warehouse or at the dealer itself.
If it's not in stock at the warehouse Specialized have select dealers (mostly their owned ones) can also ship it to you too. The owned retail shops also regularly move stock between them (via TNT/Fedex). So if you walk into a shop that doesn't have the bike you're going to buy, it can be shipped to that location to be prepped for you. It's a pretty good system from my experience... for the customer at least.
From the info I can see the Stumpy is in low supply at the UK warehouse (which could mean loads are sitting in shop windows) and new stock which comes from the EU warehouse is a couple of months... which means that their stock is low too. I don't believe they're flying out the doo, but it's not abysmal. Just like every other brands bikes that aren't E.
The UK shops that struggle with Spesh are generally the ones that have a massive portfolio of brands and don't order much, so why should Spesh be loyal to them when there are other shops that do better (work harder) for the brand. Again that's just standard business.
Without aiming to get the last word in on this installment of thread derailment, could I ask that we get back to tech rumours. Please
I know there's not much happening, so maybe we just don't post in this thread until something actually happens?
There is nothing wrong with Specialized selling direct online. It's pretty crummy to delay dealer orders when the same bike is available online. Thats just crapping on the dealer network.
Pretty sure when I bought mine back in 2005?They were close to $200-300 each. Lot of carefully finished machining and anodizing. In case nobody has noticed...
Pretty sure when I bought mine back in 2005?
They were close to $200-300 each. Lot of carefully finished machining and anodizing. In case nobody has noticed everything has skyrocketed in price since Brandon snuck in and started printing fiat currency. MTB’s are heading to snowski level where only rich people do it.
Wow, that's crazy. I thought the U.S. has been off the gold standard since Nixon in '71. Oh wait, I don't think we're supposed to get into politics here.
Pretty sure when I bought mine back in 2005?They were close to $200-300 each. Lot of carefully finished machining and anodizing. In case nobody has noticed...
Pretty sure when I bought mine back in 2005?
They were close to $200-300 each. Lot of carefully finished machining and anodizing. In case nobody has noticed everything has skyrocketed in price since Brandon snuck in and started printing fiat currency. MTB’s are heading to snowski level where only rich people do it.
Wow, that's crazy. I thought the U.S. has been off the gold standard since Nixon in '71. Oh wait, I don't think we're supposed to get...
Wow, that's crazy. I thought the U.S. has been off the gold standard since Nixon in '71. Oh wait, I don't think we're supposed to get into politics here.
Nixon did, but it was dead and empty by then. Woodrow Wilson started the slide. Oshow and Brandon finished us off.
Heavy rumours of an updated rail with the gen 5 bosch.(carbon & alloy) (maybe release of full gen 4 rail in both carbon & alloy)& the...
Heavy rumours of an updated rail with the gen 5 bosch.(carbon & alloy) (maybe release of full gen 4 rail in both carbon & alloy) & the gen 4 rail is really good but not made in alloy sadely.
I've also heard of a session & fuel exe update, being the exe getting the bigger TQ battery that the slash+ has
Slash 25' colour ways about to be released... so i assume that.
Didn’t they release an update to the Session already? Something with the idler being changed a bit to improve suspension further? What new could they introduce? Also, what’s the point of an updated Rail when you have the e-Xe and the e-Slash? I wanna see an e-Session, but feel it would cannibalize e-Slash’s sales - if it ever existed, i’d never buy something else from the brand and think a lit more people think like me! 😁
Heavy rumours of an updated rail with the gen 5 bosch.(carbon & alloy) (maybe release of full gen 4 rail in both carbon & alloy)& the...
Heavy rumours of an updated rail with the gen 5 bosch.(carbon & alloy) (maybe release of full gen 4 rail in both carbon & alloy) & the gen 4 rail is really good but not made in alloy sadely.
I've also heard of a session & fuel exe update, being the exe getting the bigger TQ battery that the slash+ has
Slash 25' colour ways about to be released... so i assume that.
Didn’t they release an update to the Session already? Something with the idler being changed a bit to improve suspension further? What new could they introduce? Also...
Didn’t they release an update to the Session already? Something with the idler being changed a bit to improve suspension further? What new could they introduce? Also, what’s the point of an updated Rail when you have the e-Xe and the e-Slash? I wanna see an e-Session, but feel it would cannibalize e-Slash’s sales - if it ever existed, i’d never buy something else from the brand and think a lit more people think like me! 😁
I think Rail waits for the new CX system (October release?), anyone know anything more about this?
There is nothing wrong with Specialized selling direct online. It's pretty crummy to delay dealer orders when the same bike is available online. Thats just crapping...
There is nothing wrong with Specialized selling direct online. It's pretty crummy to delay dealer orders when the same bike is available online. Thats just crapping on the dealer network.
In the UK it might not be in stock at the warehouse, but could be at one of their concept stores or other selected dealers that can dispatch online orders.
In that case they will not allow that bike to be ordered by another dealer as its already owned by one. Specialized will (like ANY business) sell their stock on a first come first served basis. Unfortunately if you miss out it's then thats just how it is. But it is not crapping on dealers.
That's totally fine, I'm just pointing out that it could be affecting sales numbers as some people only want to purchase bikes from shops. It also...
That's totally fine, I'm just pointing out that it could be affecting sales numbers as some people only want to purchase bikes from shops. It also means there are not as many on the sales floor for people to test ride or sit on, and with a new style of shock, many in the know will likely want to see it and feel it.
Depends on the size of the sales floor.
Specialized UK have a large fleet of demo bike available (on request) to their dealers. Aside form that there are plenty of demo events to try them on proper trails as most shops won't be that close to decent trails for someone "in the know" to see and feel it properly.
That's totally fine, I'm just pointing out that it could be affecting sales numbers as some people only want to purchase bikes from shops. It also...
That's totally fine, I'm just pointing out that it could be affecting sales numbers as some people only want to purchase bikes from shops. It also means there are not as many on the sales floor for people to test ride or sit on, and with a new style of shock, many in the know will likely want to see it and feel it.
Depends on the size of the sales floor. Specialized UK have a large fleet of demo bike available (on request) to their dealers. Aside form that there...
Depends on the size of the sales floor.
Specialized UK have a large fleet of demo bike available (on request) to their dealers. Aside form that there are plenty of demo events to try them on proper trails as most shops won't be that close to decent trails for someone "in the know" to see and feel it properly.
Demo events!
I can't remember the last time a local dealer hosted a demo event here, what happened?
Heavy rumours of an updated rail with the gen 5 bosch.(carbon & alloy) (maybe release of full gen 4 rail in both carbon & alloy)& the...
Heavy rumours of an updated rail with the gen 5 bosch.(carbon & alloy) (maybe release of full gen 4 rail in both carbon & alloy) & the gen 4 rail is really good but not made in alloy sadely.
I've also heard of a session & fuel exe update, being the exe getting the bigger TQ battery that the slash+ has
Slash 25' colour ways about to be released... so i assume that.
Didn’t they release an update to the Session already? Something with the idler being changed a bit to improve suspension further? What new could they introduce? Also...
Didn’t they release an update to the Session already? Something with the idler being changed a bit to improve suspension further? What new could they introduce? Also, what’s the point of an updated Rail when you have the e-Xe and the e-Slash? I wanna see an e-Session, but feel it would cannibalize e-Slash’s sales - if it ever existed, i’d never buy something else from the brand and think a lit more people think like me! 😁
I could believe Session because DH is at the forefront of investment and media again now that Enduro has been axed at the international level.
The point of the Rail is that people out there do want full-power e-bikes. Another, perhaps more cynical thought, is that the Rail is what would be competitive for E-Duro, which (again leaning cynically) could be pushed to the forefront with the decline of 'traditional' enduro.
That's totally fine, I'm just pointing out that it could be affecting sales numbers as some people only want to purchase bikes from shops. It also...
That's totally fine, I'm just pointing out that it could be affecting sales numbers as some people only want to purchase bikes from shops. It also means there are not as many on the sales floor for people to test ride or sit on, and with a new style of shock, many in the know will likely want to see it and feel it.
Depends on the size of the sales floor. Specialized UK have a large fleet of demo bike available (on request) to their dealers. Aside form that there...
Depends on the size of the sales floor.
Specialized UK have a large fleet of demo bike available (on request) to their dealers. Aside form that there are plenty of demo events to try them on proper trails as most shops won't be that close to decent trails for someone "in the know" to see and feel it properly.
Depends on the size of the sales floor. Specialized UK have a large fleet of demo bike available (on request) to their dealers. Aside form that there...
Depends on the size of the sales floor.
Specialized UK have a large fleet of demo bike available (on request) to their dealers. Aside form that there are plenty of demo events to try them on proper trails as most shops won't be that close to decent trails for someone "in the know" to see and feel it properly.
Demos seem like a great thing to do with all that extra inventory right? Is the bottleneck getting van drivers? I'm just not going to commit thousands of dollars to a high pivot trail bike without taking one out for an actual ride first. I feel like this mentality also applies to "core" riders and ebikes.
Hey I have a (worthless) degree in Economics! Should we start another thread on Monetary Theory and why my house has tripled (literally, slightly over tripled) in value since I bought it in 2013? Since seems to be the Queen thread that births all other threads.
Pretty sure when I bought mine back in 2005?They were close to $200-300 each. Lot of carefully finished machining and anodizing. In case nobody has noticed...
Pretty sure when I bought mine back in 2005?
They were close to $200-300 each. Lot of carefully finished machining and anodizing. In case nobody has noticed everything has skyrocketed in price since Brandon snuck in and started printing fiat currency. MTB’s are heading to snowski level where only rich people do it.
Wow, that's crazy. I thought the U.S. has been off the gold standard since Nixon in '71. Oh wait, I don't think we're supposed to get...
Wow, that's crazy. I thought the U.S. has been off the gold standard since Nixon in '71. Oh wait, I don't think we're supposed to get into politics here.
Demos seem like a great thing to do with all that extra inventory right? Is the bottleneck getting van drivers? I'm just not going to commit...
Demos seem like a great thing to do with all that extra inventory right? Is the bottleneck getting van drivers? I'm just not going to commit thousands of dollars to a high pivot trail bike without taking one out for an actual ride first. I feel like this mentality also applies to "core" riders and ebikes.
Marketing (the department where demo programs live) is typically the first place to get their budget cut when sales slump. A friendly reminder that not all marketing is evil. Free demo programs are pretty great for customers.
Demos seem like a great thing to do with all that extra inventory right? Is the bottleneck getting van drivers? I'm just not going to commit...
Demos seem like a great thing to do with all that extra inventory right? Is the bottleneck getting van drivers? I'm just not going to commit thousands of dollars to a high pivot trail bike without taking one out for an actual ride first. I feel like this mentality also applies to "core" riders and ebikes.
Marketing (the department where demo programs live) is typically the first place to get their budget cut when sales slump. A friendly reminder that not all...
Marketing (the department where demo programs live) is typically the first place to get their budget cut when sales slump. A friendly reminder that not all marketing is evil. Free demo programs are pretty great for customers.
As a person who HATES marketing but had to work in it for a while as an advertising filmmaker (I made commercials and short form video; I loved telling stories) and currently does not work anywhere near the marketing world: Cutting marketing budget during a slowdown is very often a bad choice. Marketing doesn't have to be commercials. It's whatever your company does with the intention of making your target market feel more favorable about your brand.
So much of selling a product is about being the brand/offering a product that is recognized and trusted by your potential customers as something that will solve their problems (make them a better rider). What department do you think does the bulk of shaping the public's perception of your brand and products for you?
When everyone cuts marketing budget to save dollars, a brand reallocating some budget to be even more present with their marketing means they're seemingly the only predator in a blue ocean again. The only brands that can effectively cut marketing budget are brands that are already top of the pile when it comes to brand recognition and customer trust...and that's only a safely held position if the brands directly below them don't challenge that.
I'm looking to buy a short travel trail bike. I'm either going to pull the trigger on a bike from the company I trust the most that satisfies my self-theorized ideal requirements/specs while second-guessing myself the whole time OR I'm going to demo ride a great bike that fits well and performs well putting my mind at ease and making me more comfortable investing bigger into it.
New Schwalbe tire in 2.6
Presumably its name is "Spear" (which is German for "Spear")
It’s been known for a while, it’s an Albert Gravity, probably mid fall release
Which one is it? Spear or Albert? Or the secret third option Albert Speer?
Same tread as the new Albert trail/gravity whatever that’s been coming on new bikes for a bit
That's an Albert gravity. Saw on in person a few days ago. Same exact thing.
Showed up today. Will likely head to a bike park on 8/30 so that's probably when I'll try it out and will post a review in a separate thread when I do (sorry not a rumor but relevant to what we had discussed). Feels very solidly built and installation looks extremely straightforward.
That's totally fine, I'm just pointing out that it could be affecting sales numbers as some people only want to purchase bikes from shops. It also means there are not as many on the sales floor for people to test ride or sit on, and with a new style of shock, many in the know will likely want to see it and feel it.
Re: that small batch steel frame first look on the other website:
The statement that the founder's priority is durability, being "less than impressed" with modern day full suspension mountain bikes nicely captions the opening photo of a bike with a Cane Creek air shock
Rumors say there are two new trek bikes in the pipeline coming soon. Any more infos here?
Heavy rumours of an updated rail with the gen 5 bosch.(carbon & alloy) (maybe release of full gen 4 rail in both carbon & alloy)
& the gen 4 rail is really good but not made in alloy sadely.
I've also heard of a session & fuel exe update, being the exe getting the bigger TQ battery that the slash+ has
Slash 25' colour ways about to be released... so i assume that.
Pretty sure when I bought mine back in 2005?
They were close to $200-300 each. Lot of carefully finished machining and anodizing. In case nobody has noticed everything has skyrocketed in price since Brandon snuck in and started printing fiat currency. MTB’s are heading to snowski level where only rich people do it.
There is nothing wrong with Specialized selling direct online. It's pretty crummy to delay dealer orders when the same bike is available online. Thats just crapping on the dealer network.
Wow, that's crazy. I thought the U.S. has been off the gold standard since Nixon in '71. Oh wait, I don't think we're supposed to get into politics here.
Nixon did, but it was dead and empty by then. Woodrow Wilson started the slide. Oshow and Brandon finished us off.
Didn’t they release an update to the Session already? Something with the idler being changed a bit to improve suspension further? What new could they introduce?
Also, what’s the point of an updated Rail when you have the e-Xe and the e-Slash?
I wanna see an e-Session, but feel it would cannibalize e-Slash’s sales - if it ever existed, i’d never buy something else from the brand and think a lit more people think like me! 😁
I think Rail waits for the new CX system (October release?), anyone know anything more about this?
new checkpoint and procaliper in 2 weeks
In the UK it might not be in stock at the warehouse, but could be at one of their concept stores or other selected dealers that can dispatch online orders.
In that case they will not allow that bike to be ordered by another dealer as its already owned by one. Specialized will (like ANY business) sell their stock on a first come first served basis. Unfortunately if you miss out it's then thats just how it is. But it is not crapping on dealers.
Depends on the size of the sales floor.
Specialized UK have a large fleet of demo bike available (on request) to their dealers. Aside form that there are plenty of demo events to try them on proper trails as most shops won't be that close to decent trails for someone "in the know" to see and feel it properly.
Demo events!
I can't remember the last time a local dealer hosted a demo event here, what happened?
I could believe Session because DH is at the forefront of investment and media again now that Enduro has been axed at the international level.
The point of the Rail is that people out there do want full-power e-bikes. Another, perhaps more cynical thought, is that the Rail is what would be competitive for E-Duro, which (again leaning cynically) could be pushed to the forefront with the decline of 'traditional' enduro.
Covid and then the industry’s bubble bursting.
Demos seem like a great thing to do with all that extra inventory right? Is the bottleneck getting van drivers? I'm just not going to commit thousands of dollars to a high pivot trail bike without taking one out for an actual ride first. I feel like this mentality also applies to "core" riders and ebikes.
Hey I have a (worthless) degree in Economics! Should we start another thread on Monetary Theory and why my house has tripled (literally, slightly over tripled) in value since I bought it in 2013? Since seems to be the Queen thread that births all other threads.
Braindead
Marketing (the department where demo programs live) is typically the first place to get their budget cut when sales slump. A friendly reminder that not all marketing is evil. Free demo programs are pretty great for customers.
MTB = Monetary, Tariff, & Budget rumors
As a person who HATES marketing but had to work in it for a while as an advertising filmmaker (I made commercials and short form video; I loved telling stories) and currently does not work anywhere near the marketing world: Cutting marketing budget during a slowdown is very often a bad choice. Marketing doesn't have to be commercials. It's whatever your company does with the intention of making your target market feel more favorable about your brand.
So much of selling a product is about being the brand/offering a product that is recognized and trusted by your potential customers as something that will solve their problems (make them a better rider). What department do you think does the bulk of shaping the public's perception of your brand and products for you?
When everyone cuts marketing budget to save dollars, a brand reallocating some budget to be even more present with their marketing means they're seemingly the only predator in a blue ocean again. The only brands that can effectively cut marketing budget are brands that are already top of the pile when it comes to brand recognition and customer trust...and that's only a safely held position if the brands directly below them don't challenge that.
I'm looking to buy a short travel trail bike. I'm either going to pull the trigger on a bike from the company I trust the most that satisfies my self-theorized ideal requirements/specs while second-guessing myself the whole time OR I'm going to demo ride a great bike that fits well and performs well putting my mind at ease and making me more comfortable investing bigger into it.
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