That’s definitely a Motion Instruments cap with a Quarq decal - you can see the MI logo poking out on either side. Poor Jesse doesn’t even have Charger 3.1 yet. 😏
What suspension data acquisition does Jesse run? Anyone remember?
When they have a competing sponsor (Pirelli, Continental, Kenda, Vittoria) and they do not believe the product to be competitive or trust the tire yet. They run blacked out logos of Maxxis tires as to not offend their sponsors.
That’s definitely a Motion Instruments cap with a Quarq decal - you can see the MI logo poking out on either side. Poor Jesse doesn’t even...
That’s definitely a Motion Instruments cap with a Quarq decal - you can see the MI logo poking out on either side. Poor Jesse doesn’t even have Charger 3.1 yet. 😏
That’s definitely a Motion Instruments cap with a Quarq decal - you can see the MI logo poking out on either side. Poor Jesse doesn’t even...
That’s definitely a Motion Instruments cap with a Quarq decal - you can see the MI logo poking out on either side. Poor Jesse doesn’t even have Charger 3.1 yet. 😏
I'm just hoping I have it and they forgot to write it
Just got back from a day at Dyfi. This is the production-ready model, two were being tested by journalists in preparation for the official launch on the 12th.
In person it’s absolutely striking and looks like nothing else out there. If the frame only price is reasonable then I’ve never been more tempted by a bike.
(If anyone from Atherton bikes wants me to remove the photo I’m happy to, but as it’s been seen by upwards of 100 people today I’m sure it’s fine).
Just got back from a day at Dyfi. This is the production-ready model, two were being tested by journalists in preparation for the official launch...
Just got back from a day at Dyfi. This is the production-ready model, two were being tested by journalists in preparation for the official launch on the 12th.
In person it’s absolutely striking and looks like nothing else out there. If the frame only price is reasonable then I’ve never been more tempted by a bike.
(If anyone from Atherton bikes wants me to remove the photo I’m happy to, but as it’s been seen by upwards of 100 people today I’m sure it’s fine).
This might be the bike release I’ve been most excited about in a long time.
When they have a competing sponsor (Pirelli, Continental, Kenda, Vittoria) and they do not believe the product to be competitive or trust the tire yet. They...
When they have a competing sponsor (Pirelli, Continental, Kenda, Vittoria) and they do not believe the product to be competitive or trust the tire yet. They run blacked out logos of Maxxis tires as to not offend their sponsors.
Has anyone sharpied Contis lately and ran maxxis instead?
They possibly run quantities high enough to need more than one lowers tool over the lifetime of the fork and can thus justify a different shape for Marzocchi.
Just got back from a day at Dyfi. This is the production-ready model, two were being tested by journalists in preparation for the official launch...
Just got back from a day at Dyfi. This is the production-ready model, two were being tested by journalists in preparation for the official launch on the 12th.
In person it’s absolutely striking and looks like nothing else out there. If the frame only price is reasonable then I’ve never been more tempted by a bike.
(If anyone from Atherton bikes wants me to remove the photo I’m happy to, but as it’s been seen by upwards of 100 people today I’m sure it’s fine).
I hope they're a bit more transparent and release the suspension data/graphs with this frame.
Pretty disappointing with their DW6 bikes for the price they cost they don't release the leverage graphs etc.
When they have a competing sponsor (Pirelli, Continental, Kenda, Vittoria) and they do not believe the product to be competitive or trust the tire yet. They...
When they have a competing sponsor (Pirelli, Continental, Kenda, Vittoria) and they do not believe the product to be competitive or trust the tire yet. They run blacked out logos of Maxxis tires as to not offend their sponsors.
I hope they're a bit more transparent and release the suspension data/graphs with this frame.
Pretty disappointing with their DW6 bikes for the price they cost...
I hope they're a bit more transparent and release the suspension data/graphs with this frame.
Pretty disappointing with their DW6 bikes for the price they cost they don't release the leverage graphs etc.
I wonder about this. Any bike brand has had the opportunity to notice that the way the plots of leverage ratio, antisquat, and antirise are misunderstood in a lot of settings (reviews, forums) might not be a net benefit to them or their customers. Is it transparency if it’s going to be used to build some internet doofus’ imaginary narrative about the bike? Yes and no?
The most fundamental ideas at play when looking at the output of a program like linkage should include 1) it’s a model, and it’s a model of just some of the behavior of the bike suspension. 2) almost every bike company and hobbyist that posts the output uses a style of graph that is visually misleading, the consequence of which is that baseline literacy at interpreting the output is gonna be low. While leverage ratio X travel may be a line, antirise and antisquat have parameters that make them fat bands as the parameters are swept through their ranges. Looking at two thin, bright lines of the plot of bike A vs bike B with all the white space around them gives the impression of distinct difference between them that isn’t necessarily there in the model, let alone out on the trail.
And now we have a cohort of reviewers doing the first ride and then looking at the plots included in the product introduction and saying oh yeah bro this isn’t confirmation bias—i rode the bike and the plots totally match. I think it’s fantasy.
Different bridge though, unless the 38 is has the lowers bonded to the bridge.
Here's to hoping it comes with a Grip2, threw one in my...
Different bridge though, unless the 38 is has the lowers bonded to the bridge.
Here's to hoping it comes with a Grip2, threw one in my Z1 coil and it's honestly one of the best forks I've owned.
I would hope that too, but Fox would never release some thing Under the marzocchi name, that’s anywhere near as good as its fox, counterpart. Marzocchi is just a marketing scheme to sell older products. That doesn’t mean it’s bad. It just means that it’s old
That’s definitely a Motion Instruments cap with a Quarq decal - you can see the MI logo poking out on either side. Poor Jesse doesn’t even...
That’s definitely a Motion Instruments cap with a Quarq decal - you can see the MI logo poking out on either side. Poor Jesse doesn’t even have Charger 3.1 yet. 😏
Anyone knows when the new charger 3.1 will be released together with the red ZEBs?
When they have a competing sponsor (Pirelli, Continental, Kenda, Vittoria) and they do not believe the product to be competitive or trust the tire yet. They...
When they have a competing sponsor (Pirelli, Continental, Kenda, Vittoria) and they do not believe the product to be competitive or trust the tire yet. They run blacked out logos of Maxxis tires as to not offend their sponsors.
I wonder about this. Any bike brand has had the opportunity to notice that the way the plots of leverage ratio, antisquat, and antirise are misunderstood...
I wonder about this. Any bike brand has had the opportunity to notice that the way the plots of leverage ratio, antisquat, and antirise are misunderstood in a lot of settings (reviews, forums) might not be a net benefit to them or their customers. Is it transparency if it’s going to be used to build some internet doofus’ imaginary narrative about the bike? Yes and no?
The most fundamental ideas at play when looking at the output of a program like linkage should include 1) it’s a model, and it’s a model of just some of the behavior of the bike suspension. 2) almost every bike company and hobbyist that posts the output uses a style of graph that is visually misleading, the consequence of which is that baseline literacy at interpreting the output is gonna be low. While leverage ratio X travel may be a line, antirise and antisquat have parameters that make them fat bands as the parameters are swept through their ranges. Looking at two thin, bright lines of the plot of bike A vs bike B with all the white space around them gives the impression of distinct difference between them that isn’t necessarily there in the model, let alone out on the trail.
And now we have a cohort of reviewers doing the first ride and then looking at the plots included in the product introduction and saying oh yeah bro this isn’t confirmation bias—i rode the bike and the plots totally match. I think it’s fantasy.
Hear what you're saying but I respectfully disagree that the widespread adoption of public kinematic graphs has been a net negative impact on MTB or even on brands. Yes, there are tons of people who suffer from confirmation bias while bike shopping or bike testing. Most people, in fact. But I think public kinematic graphs have helped make bike design better. Suspension designs are converging in a big way in the last five or so years, corresponding to the same timeframe when graphs have become widespread in product launches. We're mostly in agreement that wild curves in a kinematic graph are bad. Regressive to progressive changes in the same leverage curve are bad, and vice versa. Anti-squat values over 140% start to get really harsh. Very low overall leverage ratios and very high overall leverage ratios are bad. And lastly, very low overall progression (10% or less) or very high overall progression (30%) or more has major downsides. I don't see a lot of variation from these norms anymore, but I saw A LOT of variation from these norms 10, 15, or 20 years ago.
Some of that convergence is a result of independent internal testing and research at the actual bike companies, but I think a lot of that is due to consistent public shaming of bad designs due to consistent bad feedback married to quantifiable data explaining the pattern, instead of just subjective feedback on its own. We are never, ever getting rid of confirmation bias in mountain biking. It's a gear-driven sport, and everyone wants to believe their gear is the answer to their problems, even at the highest levels of racing. So I think introducing data is a net positive.
I would hope that too, but Fox would never release some thing Under the marzocchi name, that’s anywhere near as good as its fox, counterpart. Marzocchi...
I would hope that too, but Fox would never release some thing Under the marzocchi name, that’s anywhere near as good as its fox, counterpart. Marzocchi is just a marketing scheme to sell older products. That doesn’t mean it’s bad. It just means that it’s old
I get what you say and i agree some sort. But as a bomber coil user i would say that this is probably the best product for the best price from all of fox/marzoo products ever.
I would hope that too, but Fox would never release some thing Under the marzocchi name, that’s anywhere near as good as its fox, counterpart. Marzocchi...
I would hope that too, but Fox would never release some thing Under the marzocchi name, that’s anywhere near as good as its fox, counterpart. Marzocchi is just a marketing scheme to sell older products. That doesn’t mean it’s bad. It just means that it’s old
I get what you say and i agree some sort. But as a bomber coil user i would say that this is probably the best product...
I get what you say and i agree some sort. But as a bomber coil user i would say that this is probably the best product for the best price from all of fox/marzoo products ever.
You were riding a shock that basically came out over 15 years ago at this point. I actually think the shock is totally fine, but it has a weird dead spot in the beginning that I felt on a few different frames. Keep in mind that for the price of a bomber coil, you could could get a used DHX to that is far superior and every single way get it rebuilt and basically have a brand new shock that is much better than whatever you’re going to get out of the box of the bomber coil. I love that there is pretty decent suspension from Marzocchi for relatively cheap but I’m not sure why you would buy that other than trying to fit into the niche cool guy free ride group that they’re trying to use a brand when you can buy used fox suspension and rebuild it exactly how you want for cheaper.
PS if you can’t tell by my username I’m a huge fanboy of their stuff
That’s definitely a Motion Instruments cap with a Quarq decal - you can see the MI logo poking out on either side. Poor Jesse doesn’t even have Charger 3.1 yet. 😏
When they have a competing sponsor (Pirelli, Continental, Kenda, Vittoria) and they do not believe the product to be competitive or trust the tire yet. They run blacked out logos of Maxxis tires as to not offend their sponsors.
It was a rhetorical question 🙂
Thanks @ZAKBROWN! And @wellbastardfast .
frame looks unpainted?
Jesse messin' with our heads again
Curious if its just a raw frame/links or if it has any relation to the split pivot layout of the new Sender
Most likely it’s just a firmer tune on a grip damper in a 38 with stickers. Marzocchi posed this at rampage twice as well.
I'm just hoping I have it and they forgot to write it
Love the positive attitude, Jesse
Just got back from a day at Dyfi. This is the production-ready model, two were being tested by journalists in preparation for the official launch on the 12th.
In person it’s absolutely striking and looks like nothing else out there. If the frame only price is reasonable then I’ve never been more tempted by a bike.
(If anyone from Atherton bikes wants me to remove the photo I’m happy to, but as it’s been seen by upwards of 100 people today I’m sure it’s fine).
This might be the bike release I’ve been most excited about in a long time.
Screen shot Fuzz 6HP from the non-drive side
Has anyone sharpied Contis lately and ran maxxis instead?
Different bridge though, unless the 38 is has the lowers bonded to the bridge.
Here's to hoping it comes with a Grip2, threw one in my Z1 coil and it's honestly one of the best forks I've owned.
What stem is that?
Looks like a Canyon OEM stem, G5 Enduro
Why does this exist? Surely with the industry under pressure having extra SKUs can't make sense for Fox 🤷🏻♂️
They possibly run quantities high enough to need more than one lowers tool over the lifetime of the fork and can thus justify a different shape for Marzocchi.
I hope they're a bit more transparent and release the suspension data/graphs with this frame.
Pretty disappointing with their DW6 bikes for the price they cost they don't release the leverage graphs etc.
Is its name Bomber Z5? 🤔
Bruni was riding Kryptotals in Snowshoe.
I wonder about this. Any bike brand has had the opportunity to notice that the way the plots of leverage ratio, antisquat, and antirise are misunderstood in a lot of settings (reviews, forums) might not be a net benefit to them or their customers. Is it transparency if it’s going to be used to build some internet doofus’ imaginary narrative about the bike? Yes and no?
The most fundamental ideas at play when looking at the output of a program like linkage should include 1) it’s a model, and it’s a model of just some of the behavior of the bike suspension. 2) almost every bike company and hobbyist that posts the output uses a style of graph that is visually misleading, the consequence of which is that baseline literacy at interpreting the output is gonna be low. While leverage ratio X travel may be a line, antirise and antisquat have parameters that make them fat bands as the parameters are swept through their ranges. Looking at two thin, bright lines of the plot of bike A vs bike B with all the white space around them gives the impression of distinct difference between them that isn’t necessarily there in the model, let alone out on the trail.
And now we have a cohort of reviewers doing the first ride and then looking at the plots included in the product introduction and saying oh yeah bro this isn’t confirmation bias—i rode the bike and the plots totally match. I think it’s fantasy.
Username checks out.
I would hope that too, but Fox would never release some thing Under the marzocchi name, that’s anywhere near as good as its fox, counterpart. Marzocchi is just a marketing scheme to sell older products. That doesn’t mean it’s bad. It just means that it’s old
Anyone knows when the new charger 3.1 will be released together with the red ZEBs?
More than bruni was. infact a heap of riders were using Blacked out Conti's not just at Snowshoe but other events aswell.
Hear what you're saying but I respectfully disagree that the widespread adoption of public kinematic graphs has been a net negative impact on MTB or even on brands. Yes, there are tons of people who suffer from confirmation bias while bike shopping or bike testing. Most people, in fact. But I think public kinematic graphs have helped make bike design better. Suspension designs are converging in a big way in the last five or so years, corresponding to the same timeframe when graphs have become widespread in product launches. We're mostly in agreement that wild curves in a kinematic graph are bad. Regressive to progressive changes in the same leverage curve are bad, and vice versa. Anti-squat values over 140% start to get really harsh. Very low overall leverage ratios and very high overall leverage ratios are bad. And lastly, very low overall progression (10% or less) or very high overall progression (30%) or more has major downsides. I don't see a lot of variation from these norms anymore, but I saw A LOT of variation from these norms 10, 15, or 20 years ago.
Some of that convergence is a result of independent internal testing and research at the actual bike companies, but I think a lot of that is due to consistent public shaming of bad designs due to consistent bad feedback married to quantifiable data explaining the pattern, instead of just subjective feedback on its own. We are never, ever getting rid of confirmation bias in mountain biking. It's a gear-driven sport, and everyone wants to believe their gear is the answer to their problems, even at the highest levels of racing. So I think introducing data is a net positive.
I get what you say and i agree some sort. But as a bomber coil user i would say that this is probably the best product for the best price from all of fox/marzoo products ever.
You were riding a shock that basically came out over 15 years ago at this point. I actually think the shock is totally fine, but it has a weird dead spot in the beginning that I felt on a few different frames. Keep in mind that for the price of a bomber coil, you could could get a used DHX to that is far superior and every single way get it rebuilt and basically have a brand new shock that is much better than whatever you’re going to get out of the box of the bomber coil. I love that there is pretty decent suspension from Marzocchi for relatively cheap but I’m not sure why you would buy that other than trying to fit into the niche cool guy free ride group that they’re trying to use a brand when you can buy used fox suspension and rebuild it exactly how you want for cheaper.
PS if you can’t tell by my username I’m a huge fanboy of their stuff
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