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But in all seriousness what is wrong with their name? Is it slang in another culture or something? In my head I just see it as...

But in all seriousness what is wrong with their name? Is it slang in another culture or something? In my head I just see it as another name like Italian car brands will name models. Ari just sounds like a name for an Ai application. *shrugs shoulders emoji*

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Off-topic: "Ari" is a common Hebrew and Scandinavian male name. I know a couple of guys who would love to get their hands on a bike...

Off-topic:

"Ari" is a common Hebrew and Scandinavian male name. I know a couple of guys who would love to get their hands on a bike with their name on it.

In the Philippines, however, "ari" means genitalia. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

'arry is also a popular name in England

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Sorry, but you've gone too far stating: "It's also already won Proving Grounds last year and best trick at Darkest this year." I'm pretty sure the...

Sorry, but you've gone too far stating: "It's also already won Proving Grounds last year and best trick at Darkest this year."

I'm pretty sure the athlete won...not the bike.

Calling it „superior peak“ and „the future of downhill“ might also be an exaggeration when it basically looks like a commencal FRS with a few frame adjustments built in. 

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boozed wrote:

'arry is also a popular name in England

Not since he got married

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Something new coming out at Spesh ?

Spesh

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Something new coming out at Spesh ?

Something new coming out at Spesh ?

Spesh

Man I hope there is news on a new turbo levo.

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boozed wrote:

'arry is also a popular name in England

TimBud wrote:

Not since he got married

Yeer a wizzard, 'arry!

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Sir HC wrote:
Something new coming out at Spesh ?

Something new coming out at Spesh ?

Spesh

A new Epic is coming out soon. A dealer told my friend about it when he was looking for an Epic Evo.

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Sir HC wrote:
Something new coming out at Spesh ?

Something new coming out at Spesh ?

Spesh

mtbAndy wrote:

A new Epic is coming out soon. A dealer told my friend about it when he was looking for an Epic Evo.

March 12th

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@sspomer Is there a reason my post about Fezzari was deleted?  It was one of the first ones after the link to their new website was posted.  I didn't say anything inflammatory, in fact, I commented about their bikes being good value and generally getting good reviews.  @Big Bird also quoted my post and commented, his post is also deleted.  Did we ruffle some feathers? 

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Sir HC wrote:
Something new coming out at Spesh ?

Something new coming out at Spesh ?

Spesh

mtbAndy wrote:

A new Epic is coming out soon. A dealer told my friend about it when he was looking for an Epic Evo.

therock911 wrote:

March 12th

Yep

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@sspomer Is there a reason my post about Fezzari was deleted?  It was one of the first ones after the link to their new website was...

@sspomer Is there a reason my post about Fezzari was deleted?  It was one of the first ones after the link to their new website was posted.  I didn't say anything inflammatory, in fact, I commented about their bikes being good value and generally getting good reviews.  @Big Bird also quoted my post and commented, his post is also deleted.  Did we ruffle some feathers? 

your posted wasn't nuked by me or any other vital staff. if you quoted a post and the original post was deleted by the author, your quote would be nuked too.

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@sspomer Is there a reason my post about Fezzari was deleted?  It was one of the first ones after the link to their new website was...

@sspomer Is there a reason my post about Fezzari was deleted?  It was one of the first ones after the link to their new website was posted.  I didn't say anything inflammatory, in fact, I commented about their bikes being good value and generally getting good reviews.  @Big Bird also quoted my post and commented, his post is also deleted.  Did we ruffle some feathers? 

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your posted wasn't nuked by me or any other vital staff. if you quoted a post and the original post was deleted by the author, your...

your posted wasn't nuked by me or any other vital staff. if you quoted a post and the original post was deleted by the author, your quote would be nuked too.

I didn't realize that.  Thanks for clarifying.  I think I quoted the "astroturfer".  I wonder why he deleted it.  

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All the info on the latest Rocky Instinct - https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/introducing-2024-rocky-mountain-instinct We've got a test bike under a contributor, so stay tuned for a review in the...

All the info on the latest Rocky Instinct - https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/introducing-2024-rocky-moun…

We've got a test bike under a contributor, so stay tuned for a review in the near future. 

The bike looks fantastic, with very sensible updates and features.  The frame-only $$$ is a kick in the nuts though, I realize it's in line with similar frames but it's still hard to believe frames have gotten this expensive.  I thought I was paying a lot a few years ago when I bought my Spur frame for $2900.   

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Bike diapers are the worst thing to have happened to MTB

counterpoint - i think it's less about hiding any potential IP, but more about building hype. because every time a bike shows up under wraps we immediately start discussing it and speculating. 

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Bike diapers are the worst thing to have happened to MTB

jonkranked wrote:
counterpoint - i think it's less about hiding any potential IP, but more about building hype. because every time a bike shows up under wraps we...

counterpoint - i think it's less about hiding any potential IP, but more about building hype. because every time a bike shows up under wraps we immediately start discussing it and speculating. 

I can appreciate they want to keep their secrets a secret until they can't and see the hype building as well. What I see happening eventually, mainly in DH, is a team saying it's to hide a secret but truth is, it's an aerodynamic fairing to squeeze out more speed. 

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@sspomer Is there a reason my post about Fezzari was deleted?  It was one of the first ones after the link to their new website was...

@sspomer Is there a reason my post about Fezzari was deleted?  It was one of the first ones after the link to their new website was posted.  I didn't say anything inflammatory, in fact, I commented about their bikes being good value and generally getting good reviews.  @Big Bird also quoted my post and commented, his post is also deleted.  Did we ruffle some feathers? 

Perhaps it was a masterful astroturfing technique? Make a seed post designed to attract all of the negative comments and then delete once they show up?

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@sspomer Is there a reason my post about Fezzari was deleted?  It was one of the first ones after the link to their new website was...

@sspomer Is there a reason my post about Fezzari was deleted?  It was one of the first ones after the link to their new website was posted.  I didn't say anything inflammatory, in fact, I commented about their bikes being good value and generally getting good reviews.  @Big Bird also quoted my post and commented, his post is also deleted.  Did we ruffle some feathers? 

Big Bird wrote:

Perhaps it was a masterful astroturfing technique? Make a seed post designed to attract all of the negative comments and then delete once they show up?

Im forever going to call their bikes, new and old brand, “astrobikes”. 

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I took Dale's bike for a lap yesterday to try the Mavens. He bled and massaged them and was running 200F/180R rotors. For reference, I run...

I took Dale's bike for a lap yesterday to try the Mavens. He bled and massaged them and was running 200F/180R rotors. For reference, I run TRP DHR Evos with 200mm rotors on my own bike which I find slightly underpowered although they make up for it with excellent modulation and a light lever feel.

My first thought riding the Mavens was that the power is insane. It felt like someone was throwing a stick in the spokes (not saying this is good or bad, just how it compares to my TRPs). My second thought was WHY IS THE LEVER SO STIFF. They felt the same if not worse than a Code RSC in that regard. That doesn't make them unrideable (I used Code RSCs for 3 seasons), but it's really disappointing that they didn't address the lever feel on this brand new product. It's like when they released the Code Stealth lever last season and only changed the hose routing angle. It was maddening to see them focus solely on an aesthetic change instead of making the brake perform better. Maybe the SRAM engineers prefers a stiffer lever feel or maybe it comes down to technical reasons. But when I see other brands producing brakes with a lighter lever feel, I wonder why doesn't/can't SRAM do the same? 

I would put my money on this coming down to pad retract. The amount of push back they would get if it was next to impossible...

I would put my money on this coming down to pad retract. The amount of push back they would get if it was next to impossible to get the rotors not to ping off the pads would be a lot more than a stiff lever feel. Throw in a cam with an aggressive motion ratio in the early stroke and it lets you get the pad retract in conjunction with a larger ratio of caliper piston area over master cylinder piston area at the expense of increased lever force early on in its range of motion. So I think it's one of those things where, assuming a particular lever throw, the options are pad retract, braking power, and initial lever force and you only get to pick two. 

Do magnetic pads help with pads pinging off the rotor? 

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Im forever going to call their bikes, new and old brand, “astrobikes”. 

With so many former KHS riders on Ari, that almost tracks.  

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Bike diapers are the worst thing to have happened to MTB

jonkranked wrote:
counterpoint - i think it's less about hiding any potential IP, but more about building hype. because every time a bike shows up under wraps we...

counterpoint - i think it's less about hiding any potential IP, but more about building hype. because every time a bike shows up under wraps we immediately start discussing it and speculating. 

It's only a matter of time until some brand screen prints "Do Not post on Vital" on their frame wrap.

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I took Dale's bike for a lap yesterday to try the Mavens. He bled and massaged them and was running 200F/180R rotors. For reference, I run...

I took Dale's bike for a lap yesterday to try the Mavens. He bled and massaged them and was running 200F/180R rotors. For reference, I run TRP DHR Evos with 200mm rotors on my own bike which I find slightly underpowered although they make up for it with excellent modulation and a light lever feel.

My first thought riding the Mavens was that the power is insane. It felt like someone was throwing a stick in the spokes (not saying this is good or bad, just how it compares to my TRPs). My second thought was WHY IS THE LEVER SO STIFF. They felt the same if not worse than a Code RSC in that regard. That doesn't make them unrideable (I used Code RSCs for 3 seasons), but it's really disappointing that they didn't address the lever feel on this brand new product. It's like when they released the Code Stealth lever last season and only changed the hose routing angle. It was maddening to see them focus solely on an aesthetic change instead of making the brake perform better. Maybe the SRAM engineers prefers a stiffer lever feel or maybe it comes down to technical reasons. But when I see other brands producing brakes with a lighter lever feel, I wonder why doesn't/can't SRAM do the same? 

On the actual topic of tech rumors and innovations, now that you and Dale are here it's a shame you can't tell us what he was...

On the actual topic of tech rumors and innovations, now that you and Dale are here it's a shame you can't tell us what he was riding WinkScreenshot 20240304-123011

ahleic09 wrote:

aLtITuDe

(the above statements are pure speculation)

The pixelated bike actually belongs to @DangerousDave though. Pretty sure that's Dale's Deviate with the Maven brakes that Dave is sitting on. Wink

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It's only a matter of time until some brand screen prints "Do Not post on Vital" on their frame wrap.

It has kinda been done (in general, not vital specific though)

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Charger 3.1 - photo from other site

Maybe new shim stack? Additionally red colour and bleed valves from Boxxer

 

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