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New Rocky Mountain Enduro?

New Rocky Mountain Enduro?

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metadave wrote:
The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it.  In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't...

The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it. 

In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't have Kashima. Sure it could be a performance elite with factory stickers, but maybe not...

 

Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on the other site with an image of the suspension design of the bike if you are wanting to go looking.

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hukriede wrote:
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on...

Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on the other site with an image of the suspension design of the bike if you are wanting to go looking.

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New Rocky Mountain Enduro?

New Rocky Mountain Enduro?

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metadave wrote:
The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it.  In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't...

The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it. 

In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't have Kashima. Sure it could be a performance elite with factory stickers, but maybe not...

 

hukriede wrote:
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on...

Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on the other site with an image of the suspension design of the bike if you are wanting to go looking.

But a tech rumor would be a factory fork with black stanchions Wink

I am super stoked about this one, mine should be arriving just before they release it. 

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metadave wrote:
But a tech rumor would be a factory fork with black stanchions ;) I am super stoked about this one, mine should be arriving just before...

But a tech rumor would be a factory fork with black stanchions Wink

I am super stoked about this one, mine should be arriving just before they release it. 

When’s that embargo date?? Dying to learn about this one 

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hukriede wrote:
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on...

Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on the other site with an image of the suspension design of the bike if you are wanting to go looking.

t.odd wrote:
 
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Suspension layout looks quite similar to Santa Cruz?

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metadave wrote:
The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it.  In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't...

The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it. 

In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't have Kashima. Sure it could be a performance elite with factory stickers, but maybe not...

 

hukriede wrote:
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on...

Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on the other site with an image of the suspension design of the bike if you are wanting to go looking.

metadave wrote:
But a tech rumor would be a factory fork with black stanchions ;) I am super stoked about this one, mine should be arriving just before...

But a tech rumor would be a factory fork with black stanchions Wink

I am super stoked about this one, mine should be arriving just before they release it. 

When fox initially dropped the 38 to factory riders it was all non-kash for testing until race season. Something new on the way?

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ahleic09 wrote:

When fox initially dropped the 38 to factory riders it was all non-kash for testing until race season. Something new on the way?

I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but Jordi is on the latest Downtime podcast and said they have "a bunch of cool projects" this year, so maybe?

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New Rocky Mountain Enduro?

New Rocky Mountain Enduro?

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metadave wrote:
The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it.  In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't...

The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it. 

In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't have Kashima. Sure it could be a performance elite with factory stickers, but maybe not...

 

It could just be the photo quality (or lack of it) but it also looks like the fork has the older style square lower leg arch as opposed to the current rounded arch Fox has going on. 

1/13/2024 8:35am
ahleic09 wrote:

When fox initially dropped the 38 to factory riders it was all non-kash for testing until race season. Something new on the way?

dolface wrote:
I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but Jordi is on the latest Downtime podcast and said they have "a bunch of cool projects" this...

I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but Jordi is on the latest Downtime podcast and said they have "a bunch of cool projects" this year, so maybe?

Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.

The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.

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IMG 3123 2.png?VersionId=l8RsUO8qEIs Swenson on a blur with a tall boy rear triangle?

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trey wrote:
Is Swenson on a blur with a tall boy rear triangle?

IMG 3123 2.png?VersionId=l8RsUO8qEIs Swenson on a blur with a tall boy rear triangle?

Definitely not the Blur rear end. But looks too big to be from a Tallboy.

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Edthorne wrote:
It could just be the photo quality (or lack of it) but it also looks like the fork has the older style square lower leg arch...

It could just be the photo quality (or lack of it) but it also looks like the fork has the older style square lower leg arch as opposed to the current rounded arch Fox has going on. 

Good catch, it also doesnt look to have the bleed valves.

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Mafflin wrote:

It's simply the old Blur 2018-2021.

Your are right, strava served me an old post. I didn’t look at the date… 

 

he posted some rides on a tall boy recently and I was trying to find a photo of that bike

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hukriede wrote:
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on...

Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on the other site with an image of the suspension design of the bike if you are wanting to go looking.

t.odd wrote:
 
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nsp234 wrote:

Suspension layout looks quite similar to Santa Cruz?

Close but not quite

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Hey team, great thread! 
 

Any more rumours/pics of the upcoming Spesh Enduro? I keep hearing it’s only a seatstay upgrade to UDH, but previous talk on here suggests a full redesign? 

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metadave wrote:
The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it.  In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't...

The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it. 

In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't have Kashima. Sure it could be a performance elite with factory stickers, but maybe not...

 

hukriede wrote:
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on...

Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on the other site with an image of the suspension design of the bike if you are wanting to go looking.

metadave wrote:
But a tech rumor would be a factory fork with black stanchions ;) I am super stoked about this one, mine should be arriving just before...

But a tech rumor would be a factory fork with black stanchions Wink

I am super stoked about this one, mine should be arriving just before they release it. 

ALN teasing the new bike?

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manny.bike wrote:
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal...

Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

samdaman1 wrote:
I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress...

I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress ones, which I wouldn't trust on any crank never mind a downhill spec crank like a Saint. I am assuming there is a reason why there are no good aftermarket options but I'd love to know why, because I know I would buy one if it existed!

Also does anyone have any updates on the upcoming SRAM Maven brakes? They've been out in the wild for ages now, and look to be relatively close to production

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there...

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there a reason why you would prefer a direct mount crank -> spider -> 104BCD chainring over a direct mount crank -> direct mount chainring?

If you smash the chainring, you don't end up bending a spider. Just replace the ring and carry on.

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Big Bird wrote:
Has anyone seen this?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6DUSKhbRU It's a whole new hub design that seems to have a lot of merits.

Has anyone seen this? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6DUSKhbRU

It's a whole new hub design that seems to have a lot of merits.

That’s pretty damn cool. Good video too. Bummer about the proprietary rotor, but not a huge deal...

I’ve been on Onyx hubs for a couple years now and it’s really cool to have a silent hub. A bit unnerving at first, but now I’m not sure I could go back to a ratchet style hub. I would’ve liked to have heard his comparisons on those types of designs.

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Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper. The updates to the...

Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.

The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.

Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add. 

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Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper. The updates to the...

Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.

The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.

ERGue wrote:
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want...

Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add. 

Vorsprung are a bunch of clahns, ride the grip 2, the Hsc works. Theory doesn’t always match reality.

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Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper. The updates to the...

Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.

The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.

ERGue wrote:
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want...

Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add. 

Vorsprung are a bunch of clahns, ride the grip 2, the Hsc works. Theory doesn’t always match reality.

Agreed, I can definitely feel a difference in the HSC settings on my 38. Too little and the front end will feel more knifey and oversteer in hard cornering. Too much HSC and the front end doesn't settle and  kind of understeers in hard cornering/ heavy load situations.

The point about rebound is moot IMO. My 38 even has the low rebound "traction tune" and I run it close to fully open. I have a factory 34 on a different bike, rebound is nearly fully open. I had a coil 40 on my old Glory, and I ran the rebound almost open on that too. Fox rebound damping is pretty heavy for the most part. As a bigger guy, I'm amazed that lighter riders can get their stuff to work good with stock tunes.

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Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper. The updates to the...

Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.

The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.

ERGue wrote:
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want...

Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add. 

Vorsprung are a bunch of clahns, ride the grip 2, the Hsc works. Theory doesn’t always match reality.

Vorsprung's Fox 38 commentary was based on dyno results.

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ERGue wrote:
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want...

Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add. 

Vorsprung are a bunch of clahns, ride the grip 2, the Hsc works. Theory doesn’t always match reality.

boozed wrote:

Vorsprung's Fox 38 commentary was based on dyno results.

Cuz dynos are the same as riding a fork, why would telemetry exist if everything could be modeled in a shop

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Big Bird wrote:
Has anyone seen this?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6DUSKhbRU It's a whole new hub design that seems to have a lot of merits.

Has anyone seen this? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6DUSKhbRU

It's a whole new hub design that seems to have a lot of merits.

Oh sweet - think that's the same guy who made that vid on Transmission that got linked in here when that came out. Looks promising

1/14/2024 1:46am

Cuz dynos are the same as riding a fork, why would telemetry exist if everything could be modeled in a shop

Bang on trend take for you. Cheers for the entertainment!

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1/14/2024 4:15am

Telemetry is just the dyno on exact track and weight load of the rider.

2glory831rider: you interchanged HSC and LSC :D

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