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I’ve just noticed that Danny Hart is racing the production 215 in Andorra, while during the rest of the season he was riding the prototype. Does...

I’ve just noticed that Danny Hart is racing the production 215 in Andorra, while during the rest of the season he was riding the prototype. Does anyone know why he would do this?

 

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probably got lost at the airport lol

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Anyone have intel on when the new Maven brakes will be dropping?

I’d say guess year, spring at the earliest. 

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Can someone who's used these explain what they do and how?  Some of the terminology on the English version of the website is suffering from the...

Can someone who's used these explain what they do and how?  Some of the terminology on the English version of the website is suffering from the translation.

They do what spherical bearings do, reduce side loading of the shock. And they do this with standard 15mm eyelet size.

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cmaac wrote:

Could this in fact be a new remedy?

DonutMTB wrote:
Seen press info leaked from a buddy of mine, it is not the remedy, it's a new slash   170/170, high pivot, similar adjustments to the...

Seen press info leaked from a buddy of mine, it is not the remedy, it's a new slash

 

170/170, high pivot, similar adjustments to the fuel EX, can seemingly be run either mullet or full 29

And it’s also boost and single-crown only, right? 

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8/26/2023 8:41am
cmaac wrote:

Could this in fact be a new remedy?

DonutMTB wrote:
Seen press info leaked from a buddy of mine, it is not the remedy, it's a new slash   170/170, high pivot, similar adjustments to the...

Seen press info leaked from a buddy of mine, it is not the remedy, it's a new slash

 

170/170, high pivot, similar adjustments to the fuel EX, can seemingly be run either mullet or full 29

And it’s also boost and single-crown only, right? 

yes

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bike abuse vid from andorra

 

 

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Minnar (back?) on an unpainted/proto frame for Andorra. Clearly working well for him. Anyone know anything about it? Looks like one from the V10 development videos they did.

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Konda wrote:
Minnar (back?) on an unpainted/proto frame for Andorra. Clearly working well for him. Anyone know anything about it? Looks like one from the V10 development videos...

Minnar (back?) on an unpainted/proto frame for Andorra. Clearly working well for him. Anyone know anything about it? Looks like one from the V10 development videos they did.

He was on it from the second race of the season, Im the comments on instagram the Syndicate mentioned he asked for a lighter frame so they rushed it to him hence the reason not painted not sure how much truth is in this but maybe he went back to teh new frame for worlds and didn't like it again so is back on the raw carbon bike 

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8/28/2023 2:47am

V10s was one of the lightest frames out there, how much lighter does he need it to be? If i remember correctly, the last 26er V10 was 2.6kg without a shock… a 29er would be how much heavier???

8/28/2023 3:00am
V10s was one of the lightest frames out there, how much lighter does he need it to be? If i remember correctly, the last 26er V10...

V10s was one of the lightest frames out there, how much lighter does he need it to be? If i remember correctly, the last 26er V10 was 2.6kg without a shock… a 29er would be how much heavier???

Might be related to the fact that he is riding the XXL size that is potentially even custom sized larger for him???

Also did I see something about him getting a new mechanic mid season? I guess after all those punctures...

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8/28/2023 7:37am

i've heard grumblings of a new Spesh Enduro, has anyone seen anything yet? 

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i've heard grumblings of a new Spesh Enduro, has anyone seen anything yet? 

Nope, bout time for a new one tho, current ones been around for a hot minute. Have heard things about some spesh enduro racers getting along better with the stumpy evo for enduro which isn’t necessarily the look specialized would be wanting. 

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8/28/2023 9:34am

The reason most pros are running the stumpjumper over enduro is because the enduro isn't UDH and can't use sram transmission. 

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8/28/2023 9:56am

The reason most pros are running the stumpjumper over enduro is because the enduro isn't UDH and can't use sram transmission. 

Charlie Murray is the most notable Enduro athelete that I can think of on the Stumpy Evo. He did a head to head video between the Enduro and the Evo. The Stumpy won out on timed runs. It seems he thought the Enduro was more compliant but less predictable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtFKIZziUA4

 

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8/28/2023 12:31pm
For the 65mm stroke vivid, claimed weight is 670 grams. I just weighed my Cane Creek IL with a 450-550# coil on it, 63mm stroke. It...

For the 65mm stroke vivid, claimed weight is 670 grams. I just weighed my Cane Creek IL with a 450-550# coil on it, 63mm stroke. It is 720 grams. The EXT Storia is lighter for this size, but I don't remember off the top of my head the exact weight. Kinda kills the point of an air shock for me if I'm only saving 50 grams. 

Are you seriously worried about 50g difference in shock weight on a 63mm stroke shock? I could cut my hair and lose 50g 😂 In my...

Are you seriously worried about 50g difference in shock weight on a 63mm stroke shock? I could cut my hair and lose 50g 😂

In my case where in the total system, the bike is maybe 20% of the weight, 50g especially on a performance suspension component is a trade off I’m willing to take.

The point is I'm not worried about a 50g difference, so I'll take coil every single time. It better be at least a 200 gram difference...

The point is I'm not worried about a 50g difference, so I'll take coil every single time. It better be at least a 200 gram difference for me to consider air over a coil. My IL with a coil for my weight for my bike is barely heavier, and even tho it doesn't have a piggy back I'd say its still probably better than the vivid. The Vivid is $730, the IL can easily be found for half that, but The EXT Storia, also with a spring for my weight, is within spitting distance of the Vivid's weight and is only $999 that includes two coils, a custom tune, and excellent support (for north America). I don't see the benefit of this Vivid given the other options, since its so "heavy" for an air shock. 

The advantage of the Vivid would be clear on a more linear leverage bike frame, where coils just don't work well. Anything under 15% progression should be on air unless it also has 200mm of travel.

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8/28/2023 1:20pm
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The advantage of the Vivid would be clear on a more linear leverage bike frame, where coils just don't work well. Anything under 15% progression should...

The advantage of the Vivid would be clear on a more linear leverage bike frame, where coils just don't work well. Anything under 15% progression should be on air unless it also has 200mm of travel.

You are correct, assuming a budget compression tune, or just a bad compression tune. The beauty of the twin tube design is that all adjustments are external and a cane creek can be dialed in to whatever rider weight or frame kinematics without a factory tune. My current frame is a single pivot that has about 4% progression, but I prefer my cane creek coil over the air, and I prefer the EXT Storia over them both (a coil). The downside of the Storia is that it does require an internal adjustment per frame, but the USA distributor factors that into the sale price. It also has that hydraulic bottom out. 

But don't take my word for it- look at all the people (joes and pros) running coils on the Starling Murmur, another single pivot but with a slightly regressive curve!

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8/28/2023 2:29pm
You are correct, assuming a budget compression tune, or just a bad compression tune. The beauty of the twin tube design is that all adjustments are...

You are correct, assuming a budget compression tune, or just a bad compression tune. The beauty of the twin tube design is that all adjustments are external and a cane creek can be dialed in to whatever rider weight or frame kinematics without a factory tune. My current frame is a single pivot that has about 4% progression, but I prefer my cane creek coil over the air, and I prefer the EXT Storia over them both (a coil). The downside of the Storia is that it does require an internal adjustment per frame, but the USA distributor factors that into the sale price. It also has that hydraulic bottom out. 

But don't take my word for it- look at all the people (joes and pros) running coils on the Starling Murmur, another single pivot but with a slightly regressive curve!

Huh? that's a conceptual error. Twin Tubes give you more adjustability in the rebound circuit than a monotube, but the damping curves are still dictated by the internal valving. The clickers are only a low and a high speed bleed for the internal valving. In a twin tube you can have High and Low speed adjustments for both compression and rebound where as in a Monotube the rebound adjustments are limited to a non preloaded bleed. Cane Creek Double Barrel Inline mountain bike shock for 120mm to 150mm travel mountain bikesCane Creek Double Barrel Inline mountain bike shock for 120mm to 150mm travel mountain bikes

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8/28/2023 2:59pm
ERGue wrote:
Huh? that's a conceptual error. Twin Tubes give you more adjustability in the rebound circuit than a monotube, but the damping curves are still dictated by...

Huh? that's a conceptual error. Twin Tubes give you more adjustability in the rebound circuit than a monotube, but the damping curves are still dictated by the internal valving. The clickers are only a low and a high speed bleed for the internal valving. In a twin tube you can have High and Low speed adjustments for both compression and rebound where as in a Monotube the rebound adjustments are limited to a non preloaded bleed. Cane Creek Double Barrel Inline mountain bike shock for 120mm to 150mm travel mountain bikesCane Creek Double Barrel Inline mountain bike shock for 120mm to 150mm travel mountain bikes

Yes. This agrees with what I sad. A properly tuned shock (least for travel ranges at 160mm and below) can easily perform at the highest levels, even with a flat or slightly regressive suspension curve . External adjustments allows more easily for this. 

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You are correct, assuming a budget compression tune, or just a bad compression tune. The beauty of the twin tube design is that all adjustments are...

You are correct, assuming a budget compression tune, or just a bad compression tune. The beauty of the twin tube design is that all adjustments are external and a cane creek can be dialed in to whatever rider weight or frame kinematics without a factory tune. My current frame is a single pivot that has about 4% progression, but I prefer my cane creek coil over the air, and I prefer the EXT Storia over them both (a coil). The downside of the Storia is that it does require an internal adjustment per frame, but the USA distributor factors that into the sale price. It also has that hydraulic bottom out. 

But don't take my word for it- look at all the people (joes and pros) running coils on the Starling Murmur, another single pivot but with a slightly regressive curve!

Are there any Pro's racing Starlings at a high level? (On coil).

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8/29/2023 7:30pm Edited Date/Time 8/29/2023 7:30pm

New slash, confirmed as 170 170, High pivot, mullet gen 6 & std 170/160 29er gen 5 both be for sale.

lots of 9.9 options, 9.8, 9.7 as carbons.
ALLOY slash 8 & 9 gen 6, No slash 7.
Full range of gen 5 available for purchase still.

NOTE: not my image, was on facebook. 

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8/29/2023 10:24pm
New slash, confirmed as 170 170, High pivot, mullet gen 6 & std 170/160 29er gen 5 both be for sale. lots of 9.9 options, 9.8...

New slash, confirmed as 170 170, High pivot, mullet gen 6 & std 170/160 29er gen 5 both be for sale.

lots of 9.9 options, 9.8, 9.7 as carbons.
ALLOY slash 8 & 9 gen 6, No slash 7.
Full range of gen 5 available for purchase still.

NOTE: not my image, was on facebook. 

371091882 822351512955479 8131794133880530984 n.jpg?VersionId=Dq mUmr7baLgpLHfAgX

Selling both side-by side seems like a pretty good idea, especially for a big brand like Trek. Not everyone looking for an enduro bike needs a straight-line-eating machine, and rather than trying to pretend the new model is a perfect compromise, they can just sell the two different versions instead.

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8/29/2023 10:49pm Edited Date/Time 8/29/2023 11:09pm

I think the wait is near as it pops online already… that rear brake cable Dry

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bet it‘s gonna be a good junk heavier than the gen 5, frame looks massive.

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