Doubt it. The block is unsprung on the rear but sprung on the front. It would also have to be a tuned mass damper to achieve this functionality and I think a tuned mass damper might be quite heavy to do anything, depending on the frequencies that were intended to be filtered out.
To be completely honest, not thinking it through completely, I don't see much of a use for an interter-type unit on a mountainbike, except for pedalling performance. In F1 (and prototypes) Inerters were used to take off the spikes in forces in suspension to ensure as constant force as possible on the tyre patch as that gave the most grip. And I think one of the effects was it made the car seem much heavier to the suspension than it actually was, effectively improving the sprung/unsprung ratio.
Considering it's being run on existing levers, kinda doubt this one. But if true, I guess it's time to stock up on current (old?) Codes
Code levers could probably run mineral oil just fine. Worst case they'd have to change material of some of the rubber parts. So they could be mineral and look the same.
Code levers could probably run mineral oil just fine. Worst case they'd have to change material of some of the rubber parts. So they could be...
Code levers could probably run mineral oil just fine. Worst case they'd have to change material of some of the rubber parts. So they could be mineral and look the same.
The only issue would be the rubber- EPDM for DOT fluid, buna for mineral oil.
But the reservoir membrane would require a new tool for it. That's why I find it kinda unlikely. It's not a problem as long as we're talking about O-rings, but when custom seals come into play it becomes a bit different. Not impossible, a new tool (to cover different molding characteristics of a different material) is a few grand at most and most prototypes cost more than that, but still...
But the reservoir membrane would require a new tool for it. That's why I find it kinda unlikely. It's not a problem as long as we're...
But the reservoir membrane would require a new tool for it. That's why I find it kinda unlikely. It's not a problem as long as we're talking about O-rings, but when custom seals come into play it becomes a bit different. Not impossible, a new tool (to cover different molding characteristics of a different material) is a few grand at most and most prototypes cost more than that, but still...
I guess we'll find out sooner than later.
They could be using the same internal soft parts as the DB8. The outer body is similar to the Code.
I looked it up. That hub weighs 2kilos! (4 1/2 pounds.) Holy unsprung weight Batman!
48% heavier than a Transmission setup using my napkin math. Would you really notice on an ebike though? If you go through a cassette per year with a transmission setup you would potentially be saving quite a few bucks annually with the no maintenance claim on the 3x3.
48% heavier than a Transmission setup using my napkin math. Would you really notice on an ebike though? If you go through a cassette per year...
48% heavier than a Transmission setup using my napkin math. Would you really notice on an ebike though? If you go through a cassette per year with a transmission setup you would potentially be saving quite a few bucks annually with the no maintenance claim on the 3x3.
If you’re talking about the overall weight of the bike? No.
Unsprung weight on the rear wheel? That’s an extra 2 pounds the rear shock has to contend with…
But the reservoir membrane would require a new tool for it. That's why I find it kinda unlikely. It's not a problem as long as we're...
But the reservoir membrane would require a new tool for it. That's why I find it kinda unlikely. It's not a problem as long as we're talking about O-rings, but when custom seals come into play it becomes a bit different. Not impossible, a new tool (to cover different molding characteristics of a different material) is a few grand at most and most prototypes cost more than that, but still...
They could be using the same internal soft parts as the DB8. The outer body is similar to the Code.
Perhaps something was introduced in the stealth update that facilitates mineral oil/uses DB8 bladder?
Anyway, can't wait to quote all of the hyperbole back to them from that extremely expensive video about why DOT is best once they come out sporting the superior fluid.
Any common sense with that front pulley under BB ,lasting time any bets get smashed and in firing line for water and mud prune be on the way for a Thule car rack too
Doubt it. The block is unsprung on the rear but sprung on the front. It would also have to be a tuned mass damper to achieve...
Doubt it. The block is unsprung on the rear but sprung on the front. It would also have to be a tuned mass damper to achieve this functionality and I think a tuned mass damper might be quite heavy to do anything, depending on the frequencies that were intended to be filtered out.
To be completely honest, not thinking it through completely, I don't see much of a use for an interter-type unit on a mountainbike, except for pedalling performance. In F1 (and prototypes) Inerters were used to take off the spikes in forces in suspension to ensure as constant force as possible on the tyre patch as that gave the most grip. And I think one of the effects was it made the car seem much heavier to the suspension than it actually was, effectively improving the sprung/unsprung ratio.
I doubt its an inerter, its not connect to the lower legs, so only way it could be if its a oil based j-damper (McLarens code for their original oil based inerter) running of the airpsring shaft somehow, way too complicated.
I think it could be there to monitor the airspring pressures for telemetry (explains why its bolted to air spring side.
Inerters aren't needed on a MTB, its what arms and legs are for.
Long time listener, first time caller. Happened to stumble across this (cannot link directly as the posts gets deemed as spam)
weight is said to be...
Long time listener, first time caller. Happened to stumble across this (cannot link directly as the posts gets deemed as spam)
weight is said to be 16.35kg
I wonder why they chose the DHF MaxxTerra Exo+ over the much better Assegai MaxxGrip Exo+. Note that the rear tire they chose is a DHR MaxxGrip. I can't imagine the price going significantly higher if they chose the Assegai over the DHF (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).
16.35kg OOTB is pretty good these days for a solid aluminum bruiser bike. A few key upgrades down the line can easily shave this down to about 15kg.
My guess would be an inertia damper
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Mountian-bikes-and-interters,…
Do you think they are simple tube "counter weights"? Would certainly take a few runs to get used to the technology.
Why are quotes generated around counter weights? Do I now need to go to the other, other-site to obtain cavalier use of AI?
Formula is teasing new product launch on Friday. Is this the elusive Selva XL dual crown enduro fork? If so, I am tempted - very tempted.
Oh… I certainly hope so. Dual crowns just make an awful lot of sense for >160mm forks.
speaking of product that's yet to materialize on sale for the public..... anybody know what's going on with the box stealth hubs?
Read in the pinkbike comments that the new SRAM Maven brakes will be mineral oil. Interesting
April Lawyer had her own little clothing brand called MAVEN back in the day.
Doubt it. The block is unsprung on the rear but sprung on the front. It would also have to be a tuned mass damper to achieve this functionality and I think a tuned mass damper might be quite heavy to do anything, depending on the frequencies that were intended to be filtered out.
To be completely honest, not thinking it through completely, I don't see much of a use for an interter-type unit on a mountainbike, except for pedalling performance. In F1 (and prototypes) Inerters were used to take off the spikes in forces in suspension to ensure as constant force as possible on the tyre patch as that gave the most grip. And I think one of the effects was it made the car seem much heavier to the suspension than it actually was, effectively improving the sprung/unsprung ratio.
For what it's worth, they were banned in the new 2022 set of rules: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-tuesday-how-2022s-suspe…
https://hayesbicycle.com/pages/purple-hayes
Considering it's being run on existing levers, kinda doubt this one. But if true, I guess it's time to stock up on current (old?) Codes
Code levers could probably run mineral oil just fine. Worst case they'd have to change material of some of the rubber parts. So they could be mineral and look the same.
The only issue would be the rubber- EPDM for DOT fluid, buna for mineral oil.
But the reservoir membrane would require a new tool for it. That's why I find it kinda unlikely. It's not a problem as long as we're talking about O-rings, but when custom seals come into play it becomes a bit different. Not impossible, a new tool (to cover different molding characteristics of a different material) is a few grand at most and most prototypes cost more than that, but still...
I guess we'll find out sooner than later.
They could be using the same internal soft parts as the DB8. The outer body is similar to the Code.
told you so
I don't think this has already been posted in here but this is some pretty cool tech: https://en.nicolai-bicycles.com/custom-bike-gt1-eboxx-3x3-miracle-topaz/
Personally I'm pretty excited about gearbox and belt drives rather than expensive new chains and derailleurs.
I looked it up. That hub weighs 2kilos! (4 1/2 pounds.) Holy unsprung weight Batman!
48% heavier than a Transmission setup using my napkin math. Would you really notice on an ebike though? If you go through a cassette per year with a transmission setup you would potentially be saving quite a few bucks annually with the no maintenance claim on the 3x3.
If you’re talking about the overall weight of the bike? No.
Unsprung weight on the rear wheel? That’s an extra 2 pounds the rear shock has to contend with…
Perhaps something was introduced in the stealth update that facilitates mineral oil/uses DB8 bladder?
Anyway, can't wait to quote all of the hyperbole back to them from that extremely expensive video about why DOT is best once they come out sporting the superior fluid.
Unsprung. The wheels are unsprung.
You talk what I’m knowin’ about…
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Any common sense with that front pulley under BB ,lasting time any bets get smashed and in firing line for water and mud prune be on the way for a Thule car rack too
Which existing lever is this? None I’ve seen
Another photo
I doubt its an inerter, its not connect to the lower legs, so only way it could be if its a oil based j-damper (McLarens code for their original oil based inerter) running of the airpsring shaft somehow, way too complicated.
I think it could be there to monitor the airspring pressures for telemetry (explains why its bolted to air spring side.
Inerters aren't needed on a MTB, its what arms and legs are for.
EXT Aria air shock coming 4 April 2023.
Long time listener, first time caller. Happened to stumble across this (cannot link directly as the posts gets deemed as spam)
weight is said to be 16.35kg
I wonder why they chose the DHF MaxxTerra Exo+ over the much better Assegai MaxxGrip Exo+. Note that the rear tire they chose is a DHR MaxxGrip. I can't imagine the price going significantly higher if they chose the Assegai over the DHF (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).
16.35kg OOTB is pretty good these days for a solid aluminum bruiser bike. A few key upgrades down the line can easily shave this down to about 15kg.
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