https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/yt-mob-takes-enduro-uncaged-approach
If you throw in Kasper Woolley (who is injured), all 3 riders on the same team are running different brakes and so far I've seen...
If you throw in Kasper Woolley (who is injured), all 3 riders on the same team are running different brakes and so far I've seen Schwalbe, Maxxis and Continental tires on their bikes. Seems kind of strange for a "factory" team to have that many different components, probably makes keeping spares a pain.
One of the defining ideas behind this year's YT Enduro Mob was to let the rider choose their own parts.
Updated bike builds from The YT Mob, with some changes since early season testing, and of course featuring the new SRAM drivetrain. Details and pics:
Jack Moir...
Updated bike builds from The YT Mob, with some changes since early season testing, and of course featuring the new SRAM drivetrain. Details and pics:
Updated bike builds from The YT Mob, with some changes since early season testing, and of course featuring the new SRAM drivetrain. Details and pics:
Jack Moir...
Updated bike builds from The YT Mob, with some changes since early season testing, and of course featuring the new SRAM drivetrain. Details and pics:
Seeing the Avid levers brings back not so fond memories of siezed up lobster claw hands trying to survive silver mountain top to bottom runs because I couldn't afford Saints back in college.
What are we seeing? a sram transmission controller?
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and mountable on either side of the Handlebar. That way they only have to manufacture 1 controller. I also heard rumors that they are going to make the 2nd button on the dropper controller able to control the modes of Flight Attendant without taking your hands off the bars.
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and...
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and mountable on either side of the Handlebar. That way they only have to manufacture 1 controller. I also heard rumors that they are going to make the 2nd button on the dropper controller able to control the modes of Flight Attendant without taking your hands off the bars.
FYI, Multimatic has a patent on spool valves that covers use in all vehicles, if I remember correctly even bikes. If Ohlins is using it here...
FYI, Multimatic has a patent on spool valves that covers use in all vehicles, if I remember correctly even bikes. If Ohlins is using it here, they had to pay up.
A spool valve isn't much different to any other valve used in dampers when it comes to electronic control, anything can be locked out with an actuator, it's just a matter of finding the best kind of actuator and location. You can even have a solenoid poke into a channel to block it off and you're done. Supporting the spool valve with an actuator is actually a bad way of doing it as the forces required to hold it in place could be very high requiring a strong actuator.
Blister Podcast had a multi series interview with EXT founder Franco Fratton. He actually patented the spool valve design but sold it to Multimatic.
Fratton's argument...
Blister Podcast had a multi series interview with EXT founder Franco Fratton. He actually patented the spool valve design but sold it to Multimatic.
Fratton's argument against spool valves is that the extra level of precision they provide is not necessary for a bike and these valves are much more expensive to manufacture as they require more precise tolerances.
On a car, where you have weight at the front and rear distributed across two separate contact patches (left and right tires), having this precision/symmetry is very important. Car's weight distribution is also relatively static, especially compared to a MTB where the ride makes up a majority of the sprung weight and its constantly moving.
On a bike, there is only one contact patch per axel so this level symmetry is unnecessary. Shim stacks allow you to create a damping curve that is very close to ideal which you can make slight adjustments with external dials.
Push's HC97 damper uses a shameless spring setup so Ohlin's might have something similar or wildly different that doesn't infringe on Multimatic's patent if licensing isn't an option.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for spool valves. I believe they have a much longer operating lifespan than shims.
The pictures of spool valves do look like they are erosion wire cut, so yeah, jolly expensive.
Thanks for this info though, it's a good insight into things.
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's planning on running the super mega enduro downhill bike for the rest of the season. Especially odd because it seems like a lot of riders are underbiking for Maydena vs. a lot of the steep and deep Euro rounds and Whistler. Things to watch. If we're to believe those parts specs in his bike check, Jack is running for the first time:
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's...
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's planning on running the super mega enduro downhill bike for the rest of the season. Especially odd because it seems like a lot of riders are underbiking for Maydena vs. a lot of the steep and deep Euro rounds and Whistler. Things to watch. If we're to believe those parts specs in his bike check, Jack is running for the first time:
190mm fork
Cushcore front and rear, or at all
Coil shock
Longer reach frame
Was wondering the same. Perhaps it's steeper out there than people thought?
Or maybe with the hand he's doing a bit more plowing than finessing at the moment?
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and...
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and mountable on either side of the Handlebar. That way they only have to manufacture 1 controller. I also heard rumors that they are going to make the 2nd button on the dropper controller able to control the modes of Flight Attendant without taking your hands off the bars.
Of course it is. My post was in jest… I’m assuming there’s a less than 2% demand for fully automatic seat posts.
Please, pretty please, could you guys throw all the pictures in one page as you did here in the rest of the pit bits? It 1000 times better than the slideshow format, that sometimes stops working on mobile browsers and has glacial loading times.
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and...
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and mountable on either side of the Handlebar. That way they only have to manufacture 1 controller. I also heard rumors that they are going to make the 2nd button on the dropper controller able to control the modes of Flight Attendant without taking your hands off the bars.
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's...
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's planning on running the super mega enduro downhill bike for the rest of the season. Especially odd because it seems like a lot of riders are underbiking for Maydena vs. a lot of the steep and deep Euro rounds and Whistler. Things to watch. If we're to believe those parts specs in his bike check, Jack is running for the first time:
190mm fork
Cushcore front and rear, or at all
Coil shock
Longer reach frame
Its probably closer to 170 vertical travel at that head angle anyway
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and...
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and mountable on either side of the Handlebar. That way they only have to manufacture 1 controller. I also heard rumors that they are going to make the 2nd button on the dropper controller able to control the modes of Flight Attendant without taking your hands off the bars.
Of course it is. My post was in jest… I’m assuming there’s a less than 2% demand for fully automatic seat posts.
Of course it is. My post was in jest… I’m assuming there’s a less than 2% demand for fully automatic seat posts.
Funny enough, there have been more than a few companies that have tried to make droppers that drop on their own. I think they were intended for XC races so they wouldn't have to "exert" any energy to drop the post during races.
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's...
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's planning on running the super mega enduro downhill bike for the rest of the season. Especially odd because it seems like a lot of riders are underbiking for Maydena vs. a lot of the steep and deep Euro rounds and Whistler. Things to watch. If we're to believe those parts specs in his bike check, Jack is running for the first time:
190mm fork
Cushcore front and rear, or at all
Coil shock
Longer reach frame
A few of the riders are surprised that Maydena is steeper than they thought, most people hadn't ridden here (Jack obviously has) but its much steeper than Derby and a lot rougher over all. Maybe Jack has gone the "plush" setup for his hand?
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's...
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's planning on running the super mega enduro downhill bike for the rest of the season. Especially odd because it seems like a lot of riders are underbiking for Maydena vs. a lot of the steep and deep Euro rounds and Whistler. Things to watch. If we're to believe those parts specs in his bike check, Jack is running for the first time:
A few of the riders are surprised that Maydena is steeper than they thought, most people hadn't ridden here (Jack obviously has) but its much steeper...
A few of the riders are surprised that Maydena is steeper than they thought, most people hadn't ridden here (Jack obviously has) but its much steeper than Derby and a lot rougher over all. Maybe Jack has gone the "plush" setup for his hand?
Here's hoping the 38mm Boxxer does actually have the same Zeb casting and bolt pattern for the fenders, the front lip on that fender looks just right. Current Zeb fender is a bit weak.
One of the defining ideas behind this year's YT Enduro Mob was to let the rider choose their own parts.
They were all allowed to pick their own components. Kasper is running Shimano brakes for instance.
I can’t be the only dork on here that sees this, and wonders when we’re getting dropper posts that drop without sitting on them…?
so is Blackbox the official name of the new shock? curious to see if they can pull that design off without the reliability issues of X2
Blackbox is like "skunkworks".
Seeing the Avid levers brings back not so fond memories of siezed up lobster claw hands trying to survive silver mountain top to bottom runs because I couldn't afford Saints back in college.
Instead, the brakes seem to be routed through the handlebar. Worse?
What are we seeing? a sram transmission controller?
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and mountable on either side of the Handlebar. That way they only have to manufacture 1 controller. I also heard rumors that they are going to make the 2nd button on the dropper controller able to control the modes of Flight Attendant without taking your hands off the bars.
Yep...
correct, 1 axs pod for everything, left, right, post, gears, flight attendant, as stated in our transmission launch feature https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/new-wireless-mtb-shifting-sram-transm…
The pictures of spool valves do look like they are erosion wire cut, so yeah, jolly expensive.
Thanks for this info though, it's a good insight into things.
pit bits from TN national. not a ton of new stuff, but...
https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/pit-bits-tn-national-downhill-and-xc-…
Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's planning on running the super mega enduro downhill bike for the rest of the season. Especially odd because it seems like a lot of riders are underbiking for Maydena vs. a lot of the steep and deep Euro rounds and Whistler. Things to watch. If we're to believe those parts specs in his bike check, Jack is running for the first time:
190mm fork
Cushcore front and rear, or at all
Coil shock
Longer reach frame
Was wondering the same. Perhaps it's steeper out there than people thought?
Or maybe with the hand he's doing a bit more plowing than finessing at the moment?
Of course it is. My post was in jest… I’m assuming there’s a less than 2% demand for fully automatic seat posts.
Please, pretty please, could you guys throw all the pictures in one page as you did here in the rest of the pit bits? It 1000 times better than the slideshow format, that sometimes stops working on mobile browsers and has glacial loading times.
I'm guessing less than .2%
Its probably closer to 170 vertical travel at that head angle anyway
Funny enough, there have been more than a few companies that have tried to make droppers that drop on their own. I think they were intended for XC races so they wouldn't have to "exert" any energy to drop the post during races.
A few of the riders are surprised that Maydena is steeper than they thought, most people hadn't ridden here (Jack obviously has) but its much steeper than Derby and a lot rougher over all. Maybe Jack has gone the "plush" setup for his hand?
Well, maybe instead of SRAM developing a Time flat pedal, maybe they’ll just rebadge these?
You’re underestimating the amount of newbies I’ve seen come in to a shop and ask “Where is the button to make it go down?”
I watched the last Moi Moi TV and it sounded like that’s what his aim was. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zsePIYXipGE
around the 11:30 mark he discusses softer spring rate with his mechanic.
fyi, i was asked to nuke the photos of the calipers, so i did. sorry.
It's not a SRAM pedal, just badged for the race team.
Probably Nukeproof pedal with team laser etching
Here's hoping the 38mm Boxxer does actually have the same Zeb casting and bolt pattern for the fenders, the front lip on that fender looks just right. Current Zeb fender is a bit weak.
Good thing the new Calipers are around somewhere else on the internet as well haha
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