But the Nomad 6 is the exact same frame as the Nomad 5 with a 29 inch fork and wheel on the front, so really that...
But the Nomad 6 is the exact same frame as the Nomad 5 with a 29 inch fork and wheel on the front, so really that frame has been in circulation since 2021.
No, it's not. Geometry is different, has frame storage, shock sizing is different, kinematics are different, etc.
The N6 is great how it is. There's no need to update it. The only thing I'd change on mine would be the sag peek window for people not running a Vivid or X2. I certainly wouldn't give it the cushier suspension that the new Bronson has because the extra 20mm of travel gives you the same feeling.
No, it's not. Geometry is different, has frame storage, shock sizing is different, kinematics are different, etc.The N6 is great how it is. There's no need...
No, it's not. Geometry is different, has frame storage, shock sizing is different, kinematics are different, etc.
The N6 is great how it is. There's no need to update it. The only thing I'd change on mine would be the sag peek window for people not running a Vivid or X2. I certainly wouldn't give it the cushier suspension that the new Bronson has because the extra 20mm of travel gives you the same feeling.
You're right, I looked at the geo charts I was comparing again and I overlooked some portions. My mistake.
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full price for a frame from a brand new company who:
1. has no reason to be instilled with consumer confidence or trust other than marketing and a solid spokesperson/owner (i.e. limited info out there on the bike, no reviews, no history of other platforms, no history of customer relations, etc); and
2. has no real bespoke or novel tech, particularly progressive geometry, or other reason to try this before everyone else other than "Look, it's a 27.5 bike in 2025! Wow!" (why is it better than all the 27.5 freeride ish bikes released earlier? We don't know - see point 1, no reviews).
Sure, it could be really good but there's nothing there that is so compelling I'd be trying to guess a password so I can... give them money to try a bike. There's no brand history or credibility here other than the fact it's got Zink's name on it. I don't mean to be an abject hater but... if I wanted one, I'd wait and see that it was at least competent and they had good aftermarket support. Maybe I'm just getting cautious in my old age and I'm not down with the freeride kids anymore. Remember guys, your lifetime warranty is limited by the company's lifetime too!
Edit: oh it's the original name of the brand. Clever.
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full...
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full price for a frame from a brand new company who:
1. has no reason to be instilled with consumer confidence or trust other than marketing and a solid spokesperson/owner (i.e. limited info out there on the bike, no reviews, no history of other platforms, no history of customer relations, etc); and
2. has no real bespoke or novel tech, particularly progressive geometry, or other reason to try this before everyone else other than "Look, it's a 27.5 bike in 2025! Wow!" (why is it better than all the 27.5 freeride ish bikes released earlier? We don't know - see point 1, no reviews).
Sure, it could be really good but there's nothing there that is so compelling I'd be trying to guess a password so I can... give them money to try a bike. There's no brand history or credibility here other than the fact it's got Zink's name on it. I don't mean to be an abject hater but... if I wanted one, I'd wait and see that it was at least competent and they had good aftermarket support. Maybe I'm just getting cautious in my old age and I'm not down with the freeride kids anymore. Remember guys, your lifetime warranty is limited by the company's lifetime too!
Edit: oh it's the original name of the brand. Clever.
It is interesting the folks who have criticized what Cam is doing. Then adore what Neko is doing. I think what they are both doing is super cool and I am for it. Each are designing bikes they want to ride and want to offer that to others. Both have more hours on bikes and testing than any of us could dream to have. There is something to that.
Cam has successfully run Sensus for quite a long time. I'd say that alone gives consumer confidence in customer relations.
The pricing on the frames is pretty good considering what other frames go for these days.
To each there own. It seems like a fun bike. My favorite bike ever was the Bottlerocket, this seems kinda like a new gen version of that.
It is interesting the folks who have criticized what Cam is doing. Then adore what Neko is doing. I think what they are both doing is...
It is interesting the folks who have criticized what Cam is doing. Then adore what Neko is doing. I think what they are both doing is super cool and I am for it. Each are designing bikes they want to ride and want to offer that to others. Both have more hours on bikes and testing than any of us could dream to have. There is something to that.
Cam has successfully run Sensus for quite a long time. I'd say that alone gives consumer confidence in customer relations.
The pricing on the frames is pretty good considering what other frames go for these days.
To each there own. It seems like a fun bike. My favorite bike ever was the Bottlerocket, this seems kinda like a new gen version of that.
What Neko is doing is not comparable to what Zink is “doing”.
Neko has been open from conception whereas Zink has just turned up with a frame.
I’d wager most would buy a Frameworks if they could. A Zink, I’m not so sure… The dude can FreeSlope with the best, but “design” a bike…
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full...
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full price for a frame from a brand new company who:
1. has no reason to be instilled with consumer confidence or trust other than marketing and a solid spokesperson/owner (i.e. limited info out there on the bike, no reviews, no history of other platforms, no history of customer relations, etc); and
2. has no real bespoke or novel tech, particularly progressive geometry, or other reason to try this before everyone else other than "Look, it's a 27.5 bike in 2025! Wow!" (why is it better than all the 27.5 freeride ish bikes released earlier? We don't know - see point 1, no reviews).
Sure, it could be really good but there's nothing there that is so compelling I'd be trying to guess a password so I can... give them money to try a bike. There's no brand history or credibility here other than the fact it's got Zink's name on it. I don't mean to be an abject hater but... if I wanted one, I'd wait and see that it was at least competent and they had good aftermarket support. Maybe I'm just getting cautious in my old age and I'm not down with the freeride kids anymore. Remember guys, your lifetime warranty is limited by the company's lifetime too!
Edit: oh it's the original name of the brand. Clever.
It is interesting the folks who have criticized what Cam is doing. Then adore what Neko is doing. I think what they are both doing is...
It is interesting the folks who have criticized what Cam is doing. Then adore what Neko is doing. I think what they are both doing is super cool and I am for it. Each are designing bikes they want to ride and want to offer that to others. Both have more hours on bikes and testing than any of us could dream to have. There is something to that.
Cam has successfully run Sensus for quite a long time. I'd say that alone gives consumer confidence in customer relations.
The pricing on the frames is pretty good considering what other frames go for these days.
To each there own. It seems like a fun bike. My favorite bike ever was the Bottlerocket, this seems kinda like a new gen version of that.
They're not exactly comparable though. Neko has been developing the bike for a couple years with documentation on youtube at the highest level possible in world cup downhill, going through many iterations before he started doing a group buy for his bike. I'm not saying Zink can't make a good bike, but he just hasn't quite put himself out there like Neko had. So yeah...if I had the cash I would absolutely jump on Neko's bike, but Zink's bike? Gotta see what others say about it.
They're not exactly comparable though. Neko has been developing the bike for a couple years with documentation on youtube at the highest level possible in world...
They're not exactly comparable though. Neko has been developing the bike for a couple years with documentation on youtube at the highest level possible in world cup downhill, going through many iterations before he started doing a group buy for his bike. I'm not saying Zink can't make a good bike, but he just hasn't quite put himself out there like Neko had. So yeah...if I had the cash I would absolutely jump on Neko's bike, but Zink's bike? Gotta see what others say about it.
Exactly. Neko's whole MO was "let's show the entire process of bike development" where Zink's was "announce I'm starting a frame company, and it's all secret and exclusive". Zink's methods aren't exactly bad, exclusivity and mystery can drive interest really well, but Neko's openness really resonated with the bike community.
Having messed around on the website, my impression is that it probably is a great bike for its intended purpose, a small wheeled (at least out back) bike meant for fun and messing about. For $1650, I can see why someone would be into this thing. If it was me I'd still wait for some real world reviews and probably see what the aftermarket support was like.
That said, I thought this blurb was interesting: "With our Lift Technology, the 420/426 chainstays aren’t the only reason you will be manualing with ease; Lift Suspension Characteristics were implemented for everything from flat-drop-backflips, to simply lifting your front wheel over a log with ease". Particularly so because there appears to be no discussion on what "Lift Technology" actually is or what is special about the suspension design. We can make a number of assumptions (guessing it's not a rearward axle path...) but the info does leave something to be desired. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong though, maybe this bike wasn't designed to be ridden or liked by NERDS like those of us in this thread.
Having messed around on the website, my impression is that it probably is a great bike for its intended purpose, a small wheeled (at least out...
Having messed around on the website, my impression is that it probably is a great bike for its intended purpose, a small wheeled (at least out back) bike meant for fun and messing about. For $1650, I can see why someone would be into this thing. If it was me I'd still wait for some real world reviews and probably see what the aftermarket support was like.
That said, I thought this blurb was interesting: "With our Lift Technology, the 420/426 chainstays aren’t the only reason you will be manualing with ease; Lift Suspension Characteristics were implemented for everything from flat-drop-backflips, to simply lifting your front wheel over a log with ease". Particularly so because there appears to be no discussion on what "Lift Technology" actually is or what is special about the suspension design. We can make a number of assumptions (guessing it's not a rearward axle path...) but the info does leave something to be desired. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong though, maybe this bike wasn't designed to be ridden or liked by NERDS like those of us in this thread.
It depends if you’re a poll asked and I want to go fast nerd or if you’re a nerd and you wanna make an Enduro bike into a small wheeled free ride slayer. To me this is the Geo that I’ve been looking for and if you listen to some interviews with him, he specifically states that it’s going to be one of the most progressive poppy feeling bikes possible. I would love to see somebody much smarter than me like Cascade Componants jump in and tell me why zinc is either right or wrong but it’s nice to see the only company that’s going in the opposite direction. They want to steep up head, angles, short and reach more and more fun instead of trying to make the fastest bike.
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full...
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full price for a frame from a brand new company who:
1. has no reason to be instilled with consumer confidence or trust other than marketing and a solid spokesperson/owner (i.e. limited info out there on the bike, no reviews, no history of other platforms, no history of customer relations, etc); and
2. has no real bespoke or novel tech, particularly progressive geometry, or other reason to try this before everyone else other than "Look, it's a 27.5 bike in 2025! Wow!" (why is it better than all the 27.5 freeride ish bikes released earlier? We don't know - see point 1, no reviews).
Sure, it could be really good but there's nothing there that is so compelling I'd be trying to guess a password so I can... give them money to try a bike. There's no brand history or credibility here other than the fact it's got Zink's name on it. I don't mean to be an abject hater but... if I wanted one, I'd wait and see that it was at least competent and they had good aftermarket support. Maybe I'm just getting cautious in my old age and I'm not down with the freeride kids anymore. Remember guys, your lifetime warranty is limited by the company's lifetime too!
Edit: oh it's the original name of the brand. Clever.
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full...
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full price for a frame from a brand new company who:
1. has no reason to be instilled with consumer confidence or trust other than marketing and a solid spokesperson/owner (i.e. limited info out there on the bike, no reviews, no history of other platforms, no history of customer relations, etc); and
2. has no real bespoke or novel tech, particularly progressive geometry, or other reason to try this before everyone else other than "Look, it's a 27.5 bike in 2025! Wow!" (why is it better than all the 27.5 freeride ish bikes released earlier? We don't know - see point 1, no reviews).
Sure, it could be really good but there's nothing there that is so compelling I'd be trying to guess a password so I can... give them money to try a bike. There's no brand history or credibility here other than the fact it's got Zink's name on it. I don't mean to be an abject hater but... if I wanted one, I'd wait and see that it was at least competent and they had good aftermarket support. Maybe I'm just getting cautious in my old age and I'm not down with the freeride kids anymore. Remember guys, your lifetime warranty is limited by the company's lifetime too!
Edit: oh it's the original name of the brand. Clever.
Having messed around on the website, my impression is that it probably is a great bike for its intended purpose, a small wheeled (at least out...
Having messed around on the website, my impression is that it probably is a great bike for its intended purpose, a small wheeled (at least out back) bike meant for fun and messing about. For $1650, I can see why someone would be into this thing. If it was me I'd still wait for some real world reviews and probably see what the aftermarket support was like.
That said, I thought this blurb was interesting: "With our Lift Technology, the 420/426 chainstays aren’t the only reason you will be manualing with ease; Lift Suspension Characteristics were implemented for everything from flat-drop-backflips, to simply lifting your front wheel over a log with ease". Particularly so because there appears to be no discussion on what "Lift Technology" actually is or what is special about the suspension design. We can make a number of assumptions (guessing it's not a rearward axle path...) but the info does leave something to be desired. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong though, maybe this bike wasn't designed to be ridden or liked by NERDS like those of us in this thread.
It depends if you’re a poll asked and I want to go fast nerd or if you’re a nerd and you wanna make an Enduro bike...
It depends if you’re a poll asked and I want to go fast nerd or if you’re a nerd and you wanna make an Enduro bike into a small wheeled free ride slayer. To me this is the Geo that I’ve been looking for and if you listen to some interviews with him, he specifically states that it’s going to be one of the most progressive poppy feeling bikes possible. I would love to see somebody much smarter than me like Cascade Componants jump in and tell me why zinc is either right or wrong but it’s nice to see the only company that’s going in the opposite direction. They want to steep up head, angles, short and reach more and more fun instead of trying to make the fastest bike.
Specialized Status? Or more YT Jeffsy? It even looks like it 😎
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full...
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full price for a frame from a brand new company who:
1. has no reason to be instilled with consumer confidence or trust other than marketing and a solid spokesperson/owner (i.e. limited info out there on the bike, no reviews, no history of other platforms, no history of customer relations, etc); and
2. has no real bespoke or novel tech, particularly progressive geometry, or other reason to try this before everyone else other than "Look, it's a 27.5 bike in 2025! Wow!" (why is it better than all the 27.5 freeride ish bikes released earlier? We don't know - see point 1, no reviews).
Sure, it could be really good but there's nothing there that is so compelling I'd be trying to guess a password so I can... give them money to try a bike. There's no brand history or credibility here other than the fact it's got Zink's name on it. I don't mean to be an abject hater but... if I wanted one, I'd wait and see that it was at least competent and they had good aftermarket support. Maybe I'm just getting cautious in my old age and I'm not down with the freeride kids anymore. Remember guys, your lifetime warranty is limited by the company's lifetime too!
Edit: oh it's the original name of the brand. Clever.
Strange. The current (and just updated Range) is being carried forward in NA. If I had to guess that's actually the new VLT sight but with...
Strange. The current (and just updated Range) is being carried forward in NA. If I had to guess that's actually the new VLT sight but with a long travel treatment akin to the current one going 170/160 in some models for 2025.
Yeah, it looks just like the next gen Sight coming out next year. Would be strange for Norco to drop the Range in travel from 180/170...
Yeah, it looks just like the next gen Sight coming out next year. Would be strange for Norco to drop the Range in travel from 180/170 to 170/160. I love the big travel of the Range and would be bummed to miss out on it.
Not sure where I read, probably here LOL, it but it sounds like the Range is being phased out and they will go with two Sights...
Not sure where I read, probably here LOL, it but it sounds like the Range is being phased out and they will go with two Sights, regular and long-travel and the Range will be replaced by the new DH bike. Probably cheaper to keep the Sight covering two categories with the same frame with different shocks and bring the in-development DH bike for the >180mm travel folks.
I'd hope to see them increase the seat tube insertion on the 150 to be similar to the 170 with a straight tube.
I can't seem to find that IG post anymore but if I remember reading it right the S150 is going to be MX which would give them the ability to move the pivot point and make the seat tube straight like the 170 bikes.
No, it's not. Geometry is different, has frame storage, shock sizing is different, kinematics are different, etc.
The N6 is great how it is. There's no need to update it. The only thing I'd change on mine would be the sag peek window for people not running a Vivid or X2. I certainly wouldn't give it the cushier suspension that the new Bronson has because the extra 20mm of travel gives you the same feeling.
You're right, I looked at the geo charts I was comparing again and I overlooked some portions. My mistake.
Congratulations on releasing a Spectral, Cam! :D
I'm not sure why anyone would be chomping at the bit so much that they HAD to be first on the order books to pay full price for a frame from a brand new company who:
1. has no reason to be instilled with consumer confidence or trust other than marketing and a solid spokesperson/owner (i.e. limited info out there on the bike, no reviews, no history of other platforms, no history of customer relations, etc); and
2. has no real bespoke or novel tech, particularly progressive geometry, or other reason to try this before everyone else other than "Look, it's a 27.5 bike in 2025! Wow!" (why is it better than all the 27.5 freeride ish bikes released earlier? We don't know - see point 1, no reviews).
Sure, it could be really good but there's nothing there that is so compelling I'd be trying to guess a password so I can... give them money to try a bike. There's no brand history or credibility here other than the fact it's got Zink's name on it. I don't mean to be an abject hater but... if I wanted one, I'd wait and see that it was at least competent and they had good aftermarket support. Maybe I'm just getting cautious in my old age and I'm not down with the freeride kids anymore. Remember guys, your lifetime warranty is limited by the company's lifetime too!
Edit: oh it's the original name of the brand. Clever.
It is interesting the folks who have criticized what Cam is doing. Then adore what Neko is doing. I think what they are both doing is super cool and I am for it. Each are designing bikes they want to ride and want to offer that to others. Both have more hours on bikes and testing than any of us could dream to have. There is something to that.
Cam has successfully run Sensus for quite a long time. I'd say that alone gives consumer confidence in customer relations.
The pricing on the frames is pretty good considering what other frames go for these days.
To each there own. It seems like a fun bike. My favorite bike ever was the Bottlerocket, this seems kinda like a new gen version of that.
On the site the pricing looks very competitive. $1690 and includes push sv8? Hard to find details on the site if shock is included
Looks like shock is not included but available at a discounted price with the frame purchase
What Neko is doing is not comparable to what Zink is “doing”.
Neko has been open from conception whereas Zink has just turned up with a frame.
I’d wager most would buy a Frameworks if they could. A Zink, I’m not so sure… The dude can FreeSlope with the best, but “design” a bike…
They're not exactly comparable though. Neko has been developing the bike for a couple years with documentation on youtube at the highest level possible in world cup downhill, going through many iterations before he started doing a group buy for his bike. I'm not saying Zink can't make a good bike, but he just hasn't quite put himself out there like Neko had. So yeah...if I had the cash I would absolutely jump on Neko's bike, but Zink's bike? Gotta see what others say about it.
Exactly. Neko's whole MO was "let's show the entire process of bike development" where Zink's was "announce I'm starting a frame company, and it's all secret and exclusive". Zink's methods aren't exactly bad, exclusivity and mystery can drive interest really well, but Neko's openness really resonated with the bike community.
What was the password btw?
Having messed around on the website, my impression is that it probably is a great bike for its intended purpose, a small wheeled (at least out back) bike meant for fun and messing about. For $1650, I can see why someone would be into this thing. If it was me I'd still wait for some real world reviews and probably see what the aftermarket support was like.
That said, I thought this blurb was interesting: "With our Lift Technology, the 420/426 chainstays aren’t the only reason you will be manualing with ease; Lift Suspension Characteristics were implemented for everything from flat-drop-backflips, to simply lifting your front wheel over a log with ease". Particularly so because there appears to be no discussion on what "Lift Technology" actually is or what is special about the suspension design. We can make a number of assumptions (guessing it's not a rearward axle path...) but the info does leave something to be desired. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong though, maybe this bike wasn't designed to be ridden or liked by NERDS like those of us in this thread.
It depends if you’re a poll asked and I want to go fast nerd or if you’re a nerd and you wanna make an Enduro bike into a small wheeled free ride slayer. To me this is the Geo that I’ve been looking for and if you listen to some interviews with him, he specifically states that it’s going to be one of the most progressive poppy feeling bikes possible. I would love to see somebody much smarter than me like Cascade Componants jump in and tell me why zinc is either right or wrong but it’s nice to see the only company that’s going in the opposite direction. They want to steep up head, angles, short and reach more and more fun instead of trying to make the fastest bike.
So you weren't able to guess the password?
F1 tech but maybe one day it'll make it on our bikes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DCggPZxt1W3/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&ig…
It was very easy lol
I can't even begin to comprehend trying to clean mud out of that thing!
Looks utterly amazing though!
Vacay - the name of the bike.
Specialized Status? Or more YT Jeffsy? It even looks like it 😎
Atherton A150 and A200 “soon”
The first time I saw him on the vacay, not knowing he was off or soon to be off Devinci, I asked if it was an old Spartan prototype.
I guessed Hot Dogs. That isn’t it.
it's "vacay"
I'd hope to see them increase the seat tube insertion on the 150 to be similar to the 170 with a straight tube.
160/150 MX, 420 chainstays, 64-65 HA, 300mm seat tube insertion. That sounds like a radically fun bike Zink, stoked to hear more.
Yup, I've had one on order for a while.
They are up on the Norco website now.
https://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/all-mountain/sight/25-sight-C1-MX-…
Honestly I wish Zink lurked here and would have named his new company Crab Bikes and gave us a sick crab head tube badge.
I can't seem to find that IG post anymore but if I remember reading it right the S150 is going to be MX which would give them the ability to move the pivot point and make the seat tube straight like the 170 bikes.
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