It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked...
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked the components I have bought from the company.
Yeah I agree. I already have a set, and they are mounted to my bike. Huge fan of other OneUp stuff, and not a huge fan...
Yeah I agree. I already have a set, and they are mounted to my bike. Huge fan of other OneUp stuff, and not a huge fan of the saints - But I love the SPD standard, so I ordered a set as soon as the launched.
But I am looking for reviews or videos on them, to see how they actually perform out in the real world. About 3 feet of snow where I currently am, so not possible to ride and test them myself.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
You've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not make clipless pedals
and youre looking for/confused by lack of reviews online....in winter, for a product released essentially in winter
if you wanted to read reviews to help determine if it was the right product for you, would waiting to purchase them have been a better idea? Or is the desire to read reviews to help justify the purchase of these specific pedals.
As I read my comment it sounds Twuntyier than I actually mean, generally curious
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked...
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked the components I have bought from the company.
So a "buddy" of mine used to write reviews for MTB brands/apparel/components. He/they would not/hesitate/re-write negative reviews of things so as to help maintain the relationship they had with the companies they were dealing with. Sometimes, they just simply wouldnt publish a review for the product they were sent.
Think back to the last time you read a overly negative review of a product. Now I get that most products are really good nowadays, and most reviews are written in a way to highlight the favourable aspects of a product, or to highlight that a certain product might not be for everyone, but its great for this specific person, on this specific trail, at this specific hour of the day......etc.
The V1 OneUp dropper is a great example. Its a mediocre dropper at best, it requires a tonne of regular maintenance, and the original bushings would get chewed up by the brass keyways. All you could find was ring kissing, glowing reviews of that dropper, and those issues were noticeable after a couple months of use. There were far better droppers, for less money, but didnt have the same "cache" as OneUp did.
The V2 was better, and the V3 better still, but its longevity still remains to be seen.
My V2 Dreadnaught is prolly similar, its an incredible bike, I'm stoked to have it, but its "window" of optimal operating situations is narrower than I would have expected. When I bought the bike, there were very few reviews of it, and it had been "out" for months at that point.
Back to rumours,
Norco "Shore" series Sight and Optic come specd' with the new SRAM 1000 series gear......
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked...
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked the components I have bought from the company.
Yeah I agree. I already have a set, and they are mounted to my bike. Huge fan of other OneUp stuff, and not a huge fan...
Yeah I agree. I already have a set, and they are mounted to my bike. Huge fan of other OneUp stuff, and not a huge fan of the saints - But I love the SPD standard, so I ordered a set as soon as the launched.
But I am looking for reviews or videos on them, to see how they actually perform out in the real world. About 3 feet of snow where I currently am, so not possible to ride and test them myself.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding somethingYou've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not...
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
You've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not make clipless pedals
and youre looking for/confused by lack of reviews online....in winter, for a product released essentially in winter
if you wanted to read reviews to help determine if it was the right product for you, would waiting to purchase them have been a better idea? Or is the desire to read reviews to help justify the purchase of these specific pedals.
As I read my comment it sounds Twuntyier than I actually mean, generally curious
I'll just say from what i've heard from someone who got a set of the Oneups early, they don't feel like crankbrothers, still more like SPD but way more refined and feels like the best version of SPD out there. I don't really like SPD and prefer crankbrothers so I'll stick to the mallet dh
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked...
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked the components I have bought from the company.
So a "buddy" of mine used to write reviews for MTB brands/apparel/components. He/they would not/hesitate/re-write negative reviews of things so as to help maintain the relationship...
So a "buddy" of mine used to write reviews for MTB brands/apparel/components. He/they would not/hesitate/re-write negative reviews of things so as to help maintain the relationship they had with the companies they were dealing with. Sometimes, they just simply wouldnt publish a review for the product they were sent.
Think back to the last time you read a overly negative review of a product. Now I get that most products are really good nowadays, and most reviews are written in a way to highlight the favourable aspects of a product, or to highlight that a certain product might not be for everyone, but its great for this specific person, on this specific trail, at this specific hour of the day......etc.
The V1 OneUp dropper is a great example. Its a mediocre dropper at best, it requires a tonne of regular maintenance, and the original bushings would get chewed up by the brass keyways. All you could find was ring kissing, glowing reviews of that dropper, and those issues were noticeable after a couple months of use. There were far better droppers, for less money, but didnt have the same "cache" as OneUp did.
The V2 was better, and the V3 better still, but its longevity still remains to be seen.
My V2 Dreadnaught is prolly similar, its an incredible bike, I'm stoked to have it, but its "window" of optimal operating situations is narrower than I would have expected. When I bought the bike, there were very few reviews of it, and it had been "out" for months at that point.
Back to rumours,
Norco "Shore" series Sight and Optic come specd' with the new SRAM 1000 series gear......
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now their opinion is crap because its influenced. - This kinda stuff has quite an effect on site sponsors/advertisers aswell
I remember being on a german forum When they published the pre 24 Sentinel Review(pub 2nd jan 21 but its been edited a bit since first published) and Several Enduro-mtb guys were saying the bike was crap. - From my own experience it wasnt a great bike. terribly balanced and shoddy quality - atleast they(TR) listened to customers and fixed it in the next model.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding somethingYou've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not...
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
You've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not make clipless pedals
and youre looking for/confused by lack of reviews online....in winter, for a product released essentially in winter
if you wanted to read reviews to help determine if it was the right product for you, would waiting to purchase them have been a better idea? Or is the desire to read reviews to help justify the purchase of these specific pedals.
As I read my comment it sounds Twuntyier than I actually mean, generally curious
Since I dont have the chance to ride or test them myself. But bought them more on a whim, since they are from a company which products I like, using a clip standard that I like. The odds are pretty good that they are the pedals for me, hence the purchase.
I normally do a fair bit of research, and look for reviews or videos for most parts I buy, but because of the above mentioned, this time I didnt - Because there are no reviews.
So, yeah partly because I want to know more/hear other peoples thoughts about them, since I cant really ride them for another 2~ months myself, and partly to justify the purchase I guess?
I fully see the point that its winter, and they are released by a company located where its winter as well. But one would think that they would have had review samples out for a few months. But seems like that is not the case this time. Maybe pedals arent significant enough of a component to justify that kind of coverage
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now...
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now their opinion is crap because its influenced. - This kinda stuff has quite an effect on site sponsors/advertisers aswell
I remember being on a german forum When they published the pre 24 Sentinel Review(pub 2nd jan 21 but its been edited a bit since first published) and Several Enduro-mtb guys were saying the bike was crap. - From my own experience it wasnt a great bike. terribly balanced and shoddy quality - atleast they(TR) listened to customers and fixed it in the next model.
Enduro-MTB mag is in such a weird spot, and I don’t really trust their reviews.
They used to like very conservative geometry for a while, then a year or two years later when reviewing the same bike that they complained about being too long or too slack against a field of new competitors it was now fine.
They also used to complain about bikes being too heavy, then two sentences later the lighter tires are way too prone to puncture and every bike should come with DH casings.
Their test riders are good from what I’ve seen, but their reviews often differ from the consensus that other review sites have that I sometimes think there must be setup mistakes with the bikes or suspension somewhere.
Their reviews also have this weird hype-writing where they say sick! a lot, and anytime someone says that in relation to headset cable routing it takes away any credibility. There’s also the weird peddling of lifestyle items that I can’t imagine being anything else but undeclared product placements and other stuff like that completely out of place review of an e-motorbike on a bicycle/e-bike review site.
With pb/vital/nsmb you know you get mostly neutral reviews, and after a while you know the personal preferences and biases the reviewers might have so you can adjust for that. With the group-written ones on Enduro there’s no way to do so.
Might have gone on a bit of a tangent here, feel free to move it to a „mtb review site discussion forum“, but I think it’s important to talk about how brands influence some of the known mtb websites.
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now...
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now their opinion is crap because its influenced. - This kinda stuff has quite an effect on site sponsors/advertisers aswell
I remember being on a german forum When they published the pre 24 Sentinel Review(pub 2nd jan 21 but its been edited a bit since first published) and Several Enduro-mtb guys were saying the bike was crap. - From my own experience it wasnt a great bike. terribly balanced and shoddy quality - atleast they(TR) listened to customers and fixed it in the next model.
Enduro-MTB mag is in such a weird spot, and I don’t really trust their reviews. They used to like very conservative geometry for a while, then a...
Enduro-MTB mag is in such a weird spot, and I don’t really trust their reviews.
They used to like very conservative geometry for a while, then a year or two years later when reviewing the same bike that they complained about being too long or too slack against a field of new competitors it was now fine.
They also used to complain about bikes being too heavy, then two sentences later the lighter tires are way too prone to puncture and every bike should come with DH casings.
Their test riders are good from what I’ve seen, but their reviews often differ from the consensus that other review sites have that I sometimes think there must be setup mistakes with the bikes or suspension somewhere.
Their reviews also have this weird hype-writing where they say sick! a lot, and anytime someone says that in relation to headset cable routing it takes away any credibility. There’s also the weird peddling of lifestyle items that I can’t imagine being anything else but undeclared product placements and other stuff like that completely out of place review of an e-motorbike on a bicycle/e-bike review site.
With pb/vital/nsmb you know you get mostly neutral reviews, and after a while you know the personal preferences and biases the reviewers might have so you can adjust for that. With the group-written ones on Enduro there’s no way to do so.
Might have gone on a bit of a tangent here, feel free to move it to a „mtb review site discussion forum“, but I think it’s important to talk about how brands influence some of the known mtb websites.
also worth noting that I think they all write their reviews in German, which is then changed for the international version. So every article is a weird blend of the original reviewer's words translated, and the personal bias and style of the translator/english writer.
They also seem to speak in abolutes and exagerations, posisbly for the same reason. Is it really unrideable with a 180mm rear rotor? And if it truly was, does a mere 10% increase by upgrading to a 200mm really transform it to the best bike in test?
That aside, I appreciate the way that in general they do adequately explain the basic type of terrain and style of riding they are trying to do, and also make suggestions ("tuning tips") on how to improve the bike. While they might be a bit ridiculous, see above, at least it stops one poor component ruining the review and I think provides the right balance on the spectrum between "objectively reviewing the frame" and "reviewing the full build bike as sent to them"
damn would have thought that it would have had headset cable routing
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!
I was one click from ordering a Wild, but after seeing the heaset in the flesh and reading the horrendous reports on forums I just couldn't do it. They quite litterally have the worst headset routing implementation (knockblock that breaks and knocks your spacers out, dedicated spacers + dedicated stem, need to disconnect your brake hose to get rid of all that stuff and mount an adaptor for a regular stem, horrendous looking cable angles to get into the headset no matter what you do).
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!I was one click from ordering a Wild...
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!
I was one click from ordering a Wild, but after seeing the heaset in the flesh and reading the horrendous reports on forums I just couldn't do it. They quite litterally have the worst headset routing implementation (knockblock that breaks and knocks your spacers out, dedicated spacers + dedicated stem, need to disconnect your brake hose to get rid of all that stuff and mount an adaptor for a regular stem, horrendous looking cable angles to get into the headset no matter what you do).
They probably only avoided it to keep the race team mechanics sanity intact... Or more logically speaking: cable clearance issues with a dual crown.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
You've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not make clipless pedals
and youre looking for/confused by lack of reviews online....in winter, for a product released essentially in winter
if you wanted to read reviews to help determine if it was the right product for you, would waiting to purchase them have been a better idea? Or is the desire to read reviews to help justify the purchase of these specific pedals.
As I read my comment it sounds Twuntyier than I actually mean, generally curious
So a "buddy" of mine used to write reviews for MTB brands/apparel/components. He/they would not/hesitate/re-write negative reviews of things so as to help maintain the relationship they had with the companies they were dealing with. Sometimes, they just simply wouldnt publish a review for the product they were sent.
Think back to the last time you read a overly negative review of a product. Now I get that most products are really good nowadays, and most reviews are written in a way to highlight the favourable aspects of a product, or to highlight that a certain product might not be for everyone, but its great for this specific person, on this specific trail, at this specific hour of the day......etc.
The V1 OneUp dropper is a great example. Its a mediocre dropper at best, it requires a tonne of regular maintenance, and the original bushings would get chewed up by the brass keyways. All you could find was ring kissing, glowing reviews of that dropper, and those issues were noticeable after a couple months of use. There were far better droppers, for less money, but didnt have the same "cache" as OneUp did.
The V2 was better, and the V3 better still, but its longevity still remains to be seen.
My V2 Dreadnaught is prolly similar, its an incredible bike, I'm stoked to have it, but its "window" of optimal operating situations is narrower than I would have expected. When I bought the bike, there were very few reviews of it, and it had been "out" for months at that point.
Back to rumours,
Norco "Shore" series Sight and Optic come specd' with the new SRAM 1000 series gear......
I'll just say from what i've heard from someone who got a set of the Oneups early, they don't feel like crankbrothers, still more like SPD but way more refined and feels like the best version of SPD out there. I don't really like SPD and prefer crankbrothers so I'll stick to the mallet dh
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now their opinion is crap because its influenced. - This kinda stuff has quite an effect on site sponsors/advertisers aswell
I remember being on a german forum When they published the pre 24 Sentinel Review(pub 2nd jan 21 but its been edited a bit since first published) and Several Enduro-mtb guys were saying the bike was crap. - From my own experience it wasnt a great bike. terribly balanced and shoddy quality - atleast they(TR) listened to customers and fixed it in the next model.
Since I dont have the chance to ride or test them myself. But bought them more on a whim, since they are from a company which products I like, using a clip standard that I like. The odds are pretty good that they are the pedals for me, hence the purchase.
I normally do a fair bit of research, and look for reviews or videos for most parts I buy, but because of the above mentioned, this time I didnt - Because there are no reviews.
So, yeah partly because I want to know more/hear other peoples thoughts about them, since I cant really ride them for another 2~ months myself, and partly to justify the purchase I guess?
I fully see the point that its winter, and they are released by a company located where its winter as well. But one would think that they would have had review samples out for a few months. But seems like that is not the case this time. Maybe pedals arent significant enough of a component to justify that kind of coverage
Some very "Rotor" looking new cranks for road, gravel, mtb, from the founders of Rotor....
https://bikerumor.com/qo-carbon-cranks-launch-new-road-gravel-mtb-components-from-founders-of-rotor/
Favorite line from the press release/interview.
the arms feature ‘MaxStrength Slots’, essentially external ribs mid-way through the crankarms to increase stiffness.
Looks like a Haro to me
Enduro-MTB mag is in such a weird spot, and I don’t really trust their reviews.
They used to like very conservative geometry for a while, then a year or two years later when reviewing the same bike that they complained about being too long or too slack against a field of new competitors it was now fine.
They also used to complain about bikes being too heavy, then two sentences later the lighter tires are way too prone to puncture and every bike should come with DH casings.
Their test riders are good from what I’ve seen, but their reviews often differ from the consensus that other review sites have that I sometimes think there must be setup mistakes with the bikes or suspension somewhere.
Their reviews also have this weird hype-writing where they say sick! a lot, and anytime someone says that in relation to headset cable routing it takes away any credibility. There’s also the weird peddling of lifestyle items that I can’t imagine being anything else but undeclared product placements and other stuff like that completely out of place review of an e-motorbike on a bicycle/e-bike review site.
With pb/vital/nsmb you know you get mostly neutral reviews, and after a while you know the personal preferences and biases the reviewers might have so you can adjust for that. With the group-written ones on Enduro there’s no way to do so.
Might have gone on a bit of a tangent here, feel free to move it to a „mtb review site discussion forum“, but I think it’s important to talk about how brands influence some of the known mtb websites.
Whats old is new again
also worth noting that I think they all write their reviews in German, which is then changed for the international version. So every article is a weird blend of the original reviewer's words translated, and the personal bias and style of the translator/english writer.
They also seem to speak in abolutes and exagerations, posisbly for the same reason. Is it really unrideable with a 180mm rear rotor? And if it truly was, does a mere 10% increase by upgrading to a 200mm really transform it to the best bike in test?
That aside, I appreciate the way that in general they do adequately explain the basic type of terrain and style of riding they are trying to do, and also make suggestions ("tuning tips") on how to improve the bike. While they might be a bit ridiculous, see above, at least it stops one poor component ruining the review and I think provides the right balance on the spectrum between "objectively reviewing the frame" and "reviewing the full build bike as sent to them"
FMD/Orbea DH team with a new bike tease:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DFUwj0HtRVU/
damn would have thought that it would have had headset cable routing
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!
I was one click from ordering a Wild, but after seeing the heaset in the flesh and reading the horrendous reports on forums I just couldn't do it. They quite litterally have the worst headset routing implementation (knockblock that breaks and knocks your spacers out, dedicated spacers + dedicated stem, need to disconnect your brake hose to get rid of all that stuff and mount an adaptor for a regular stem, horrendous looking cable angles to get into the headset no matter what you do).
They probably only avoided it to keep the race team mechanics sanity intact... Or more logically speaking: cable clearance issues with a dual crown.
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