After just going through a Cushcore install, this would actually be magical. I wonder how long it will take to be available on AliExpress, if it's not already up there
Orange just launched a new enduro bike, mullet, 170mm and uses a linkage driven single pivot.
More details here: https://www.orangebikes.com/model/switch-7
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Orange just launched a new enduro bike, mullet, 170mm and uses a linkage driven single pivot.
Dang looks really cool and hopefully addresses the lack of progression from a single pivot design. Too bad they shortened the chainstays compared to the switch 6 though.
Dang looks really cool and hopefully addresses the lack of progression from a single pivot design. Too bad they shortened the chainstays compared to the switch...
Dang looks really cool and hopefully addresses the lack of progression from a single pivot design. Too bad they shortened the chainstays compared to the switch 6 though.
Orange just launched a new enduro bike, mullet, 170mm and uses a linkage driven single pivot.
More details here: https://www.orangebikes.com/model/switch-7
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/07/12361/s1200_Captura_de_pantalla_2022_04_07_202932.jpg[/img]
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Orange just launched a new enduro bike, mullet, 170mm and uses a linkage driven single pivot.
Dang looks really cool and hopefully addresses the lack of progression from a single pivot design. Too bad they shortened the chainstays compared to the switch...
Dang looks really cool and hopefully addresses the lack of progression from a single pivot design. Too bad they shortened the chainstays compared to the switch 6 though.
Well... that's good news for shorter riders, 467mm on a small and medium
Orange just launched a new enduro bike, mullet, 170mm and uses a linkage driven single pivot.
More details here: https://www.orangebikes.com/model/switch-7
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/07/12361/s1200_Captura_de_pantalla_2022_04_07_202932.jpg[/img]
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Orange just launched a new enduro bike, mullet, 170mm and uses a linkage driven single pivot.
Just an idea here... What if the big downtubes are to make room for a new generation of motors and batteries? Perhaps to a point where ebikes and regular bikes look mostly the same? Cedric Gracia is tinkering with such things and making his own motors and batteries over in Andora. And He used to ride for Santa Cruz. Why not collaborate? Just a thought...
Just an idea here... What if the big downtubes are to make room for a new generation of motors and batteries? Perhaps to a point where...
Just an idea here... What if the big downtubes are to make room for a new generation of motors and batteries? Perhaps to a point where ebikes and regular bikes look mostly the same? Cedric Gracia is tinkering with such things and making his own motors and batteries over in Andora. And He used to ride for Santa Cruz. Why not collaborate? Just a thought...
less engineering for different frames, makes sense for cost.
Just an idea here... What if the big downtubes are to make room for a new generation of motors and batteries? Perhaps to a point where...
Just an idea here... What if the big downtubes are to make room for a new generation of motors and batteries? Perhaps to a point where ebikes and regular bikes look mostly the same? Cedric Gracia is tinkering with such things and making his own motors and batteries over in Andora. And He used to ride for Santa Cruz. Why not collaborate? Just a thought...
[tinfoil hat on]
The Industry ™ is heavily trying to get as many ebikes as they can in the market. I still maintain the prices of the bikes we all know and love since always went up to make ebikes more appealing. I mean, if you're a noob, why would you get a bike if 200 bucks more gets you a battery, a motor and less effort? They're also trying to bridge the looks gap, enlarging the downtubes and the BB area. And ultimately, you find pieces like this:
There is no push by the industry. They literally can’t keep up with demand regardless how the core cycling fanboys feel about them. I get the short term access, maintenance, and etiquette issues but unless the bike companies order the available motors and build frames around them somebody else will do a shittier job and still sell them for the insane prices people are willing to pay for electric bikes in the current market. Cats out of the bag and it will never go back.
I will happily stereotype the average emtb guy as an old out of shape white guy who neuters trails with sloppy trailwork when armed with a shovel and has little to no etiquette towards community or government when on a bike. But those guys sucked when they were on pedal bikes too.
In terms of 'yuge downtubes' becoming a thing...
Might this be somewhat related to the relaxing of road bike frame design by the UCI? There used to be more limits on how deep, thin, and curved certain frame sections could be but that has opened up significantly now. While we have not had this limitation in MTB, maybe the engineering time/budget/direction/knowledge of big brands with significant road bike volume were optimized around these more limited geometries. The new rules dropped a couple of years ago but the specifications were announced before then, which sort of lines up with this timeline. E Bikes really exploded around the same time too though.
Anyways, what's wrong with a big downtube? Having one deeper doesn't limit frame geometry or get in the way of riding. It could be an engineering bonus to make these tubes bigger for stiffness and weight, until (at least for carbon) the wall thickness is too thin for rock strikes. I get it may not be your preference aesthetically, but I'm sure we will all get used to it just like we did with single ring drivetrains with big pie plate cassettes, dropper posts with extra cables, and bigger handlebar diameters.
Re Forestal, as far as I know CG is one of the investors. I might be shooting blanks here, but I do seem to have it rooted in my memory that some Russian money used to be thrown around as well? Don't quote me on that one as well (might be a PITA for the company these days if true). In any case, Forestal and Production Privee are part of the same group with designers stationed in the same building.
Regarding CG's tinkering, as far as I'm informed, it's a custom Bafang unit optimised for light weight, which makes the bikes sleeker through a smaller battery and through a less powerful motor the middrive unit can be a bit smaller too, if there were any changes done it ot of course.
As for the same frame (design) used for both types of bikes, I'd say that's a no. No way in hell are you going to compromise a bike with an open downtube unless strictly necessary (for battery mounting), removing the motor to remove the battery is very cumbersome (though Specialized does this...), the mounting geometry for the motor requires different requirements to pedal bikes, the suspension geometries can be optimised differently (different levels of antisquat and possibly leverage characteristics), etc.
The bike park edition dh 34 from Michelin is a good tire For the people who want a heavy casing tire that won’t wear out. Been...
The bike park edition dh 34 from Michelin is a good tire For the people who want a heavy casing tire that won’t wear out. Been rocking those since they came out and they’re still going strong
i just got a set of these, looking forward to it. i ran the race compound last season. really nice, but definitely wears quick. I'm also trying out 2 versions of the delium tires. although thus far one of them is frustratingly difficult to install.
anyone know when the full 22 TLD line goes official? i've seen a few pairs of '22 sprint pants and jerseys at some etailers, but not the full lineup - no shorts, and not the full size range. i figure it will be soon with sea otter and all
The interesting bit on it that I see here is the hex nut closing off the damper body as opposed to the pin-hole nut on the current designs - the end of a special tool to compress the countermeasure and assemble the shock? The end of countermeasure? A different bleeding procedure compared to the current shock?
WTB seem to be the exception by actually making high grip light casing tyres
More brands need to make light casing high grip/soft rubber.
Regarding WTB; their 'light' casing is still pretty burly. I think most put it between EXO+ and DD. I would say that's a fair assessment.
Re the big down downtubes I was wondering how long until we see ebike with a removable motor and a bolt in crank area. With a modular design you can sell one bike with an ebike kit. Especially with the low power applications.
More brands need to make light casing high grip/soft rubber.
Regarding WTB; their 'light' casing is still pretty burly. I think most put it between EXO+...
More brands need to make light casing high grip/soft rubber.
Regarding WTB; their 'light' casing is still pretty burly. I think most put it between EXO+ and DD. I would say that's a fair assessment.
dhf maxxgrip is available in exo. a tad bit over kilo
Re the big down downtubes I was wondering how long until we see ebike with a removable motor and a bolt in crank area. With a...
Re the big down downtubes I was wondering how long until we see ebike with a removable motor and a bolt in crank area. With a modular design you can sell one bike with an ebike kit. Especially with the low power applications.
Re the big down downtubes I was wondering how long until we see ebike with a removable motor and a bolt in crank area. With a...
Re the big down downtubes I was wondering how long until we see ebike with a removable motor and a bolt in crank area. With a modular design you can sell one bike with an ebike kit. Especially with the low power applications.
More brands need to make light casing high grip/soft rubber.
Regarding WTB; their 'light' casing is still pretty burly. I think most put it between EXO+...
More brands need to make light casing high grip/soft rubber.
Regarding WTB; their 'light' casing is still pretty burly. I think most put it between EXO+ and DD. I would say that's a fair assessment.
dhf maxxgrip is available in exo. a tad bit over kilo
[img]https://r2-bike.com/media/image/product/171400/lg/maxxis-tire-minion-dhf-29-x-250-wt-3c-maxxgrip-tr-exo~2.jpg[/img]
dhf maxxgrip is available in exo. a tad bit over kilo
And the Assegai EXO+ MaxxGrip I have on my shelf weighs 1180g.
I've noticed Dean Lucas is running an aluminium Gambler frame this year, or at least the front end.
It doesn't look too different from the stock one but there has to be a reason. New Scott proto or just testing custom geo?
More brands need to make light casing high grip/soft rubber.
Regarding WTB; their 'light' casing is still pretty burly. I think most put it between EXO+...
More brands need to make light casing high grip/soft rubber.
Regarding WTB; their 'light' casing is still pretty burly. I think most put it between EXO+ and DD. I would say that's a fair assessment.
dhf maxxgrip is available in exo. a tad bit over kilo
[img]https://r2-bike.com/media/image/product/171400/lg/maxxis-tire-minion-dhf-29-x-250-wt-3c-maxxgrip-tr-exo~2.jpg[/img]
dhf maxxgrip is available in exo. a tad bit over kilo
Also, linkage on an Orange, say whaaaaaaaaat?? :O
The Industry ™ is heavily trying to get as many ebikes as they can in the market. I still maintain the prices of the bikes we all know and love since always went up to make ebikes more appealing. I mean, if you're a noob, why would you get a bike if 200 bucks more gets you a battery, a motor and less effort? They're also trying to bridge the looks gap, enlarging the downtubes and the BB area. And ultimately, you find pieces like this:
https://www.singletracks.com/mtb-gear/what-should-riders-call-non-elect…
Where the renaming of MTBs gets thrown in the arena.
Ebikes might have their place, but this push by The Industry ™ is really sickening.
[tinfoil hat off]
I will happily stereotype the average emtb guy as an old out of shape white guy who neuters trails with sloppy trailwork when armed with a shovel and has little to no etiquette towards community or government when on a bike. But those guys sucked when they were on pedal bikes too.
Might this be somewhat related to the relaxing of road bike frame design by the UCI? There used to be more limits on how deep, thin, and curved certain frame sections could be but that has opened up significantly now. While we have not had this limitation in MTB, maybe the engineering time/budget/direction/knowledge of big brands with significant road bike volume were optimized around these more limited geometries. The new rules dropped a couple of years ago but the specifications were announced before then, which sort of lines up with this timeline. E Bikes really exploded around the same time too though.
Anyways, what's wrong with a big downtube? Having one deeper doesn't limit frame geometry or get in the way of riding. It could be an engineering bonus to make these tubes bigger for stiffness and weight, until (at least for carbon) the wall thickness is too thin for rock strikes. I get it may not be your preference aesthetically, but I'm sure we will all get used to it just like we did with single ring drivetrains with big pie plate cassettes, dropper posts with extra cables, and bigger handlebar diameters.
Regarding CG's tinkering, as far as I'm informed, it's a custom Bafang unit optimised for light weight, which makes the bikes sleeker through a smaller battery and through a less powerful motor the middrive unit can be a bit smaller too, if there were any changes done it ot of course.
As for the same frame (design) used for both types of bikes, I'd say that's a no. No way in hell are you going to compromise a bike with an open downtube unless strictly necessary (for battery mounting), removing the motor to remove the battery is very cumbersome (though Specialized does this...), the mounting geometry for the motor requires different requirements to pedal bikes, the suspension geometries can be optimised differently (different levels of antisquat and possibly leverage characteristics), etc.
Threshold, LSC, HSC and hydraulic bottom out?
The interesting bit on it that I see here is the hex nut closing off the damper body as opposed to the pin-hole nut on the current designs - the end of a special tool to compress the countermeasure and assemble the shock? The end of countermeasure? A different bleeding procedure compared to the current shock?
Regarding WTB; their 'light' casing is still pretty burly. I think most put it between EXO+ and DD. I would say that's a fair assessment.
It doesn't look too different from the stock one but there has to be a reason. New Scott proto or just testing custom geo?
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