Just noticed in pinkbike's freeride fiesta article, Remy seems to be running some prototype sram pedals that wheelbased reported on a while ago
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[url=https://wheelbased.com/2021/11/19/pedal-for-a-cycle-by-sram/]https://wheelbased.com/2021/11/19/pedal-for-a-cycle-by-sram/[/url]
Just noticed in pinkbike's freeride fiesta article, Remy seems to be running some prototype sram pedals that wheelbased reported on a while ago
That edge on the outside is gonna be deadly if it contacts something and pedals have a tendency to come in contact with thing’s especially on the outside edge of the pedal. I don’t run pedals with too big of gaps on the inside like one up for similiar reasons. Much better to have a pedal that offers protection to the bottom of your foot and deflects predictably than looks cool in a bike check.
Went searching for more details on the chromag the other site reported on. Ended up finding a different bike altogether
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/25/11919/s1200_SmartSelect_20220125_075804_Chrome.jpg[/img]
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/25/11920/s1200_SmartSelect_20220125_075829_Chrome.jpg[/img]
No details other than...
Went searching for more details on the chromag the other site reported on. Ended up finding a different bike altogether
No details other than it's 120mm rear and can be run full 29 or mullet.
It's also called the Darco.
Damn! Depending on geometry that could be my perfect allround trail bike!
Now that both chromags have broken cover, yea sounds like a 120/130 bike and a 150/160 bike. Only one more new product from them left...
Also, gwins bike cooooould be an intense proto, nothing's keeping them from doing something other than VPP/JS, especially for testing. Could also be one of Niko's frames since they still seem be super tight
I've seen this bike now on PB and saw a video on GMBN about it. The thing that sticks out the most to me is the freewheeling chainring/crankset. Williams racing also has that amazing DH bike that does the same thing. My question is if the chain and drivetrain are moving the entire time the bike is moving which allows for the "shifting without pedaling" feature, will that eventually cause the chain and drivetrain to wear prematurely? I may be overthinking this, but if your chain is normally still while coasting but now it moves under coasting, how many more revolutions is that during a typical 1-hour trail ride? Maybe it's not an issue because it's not under load.
"Maybe it's not an issue because it's not under load."
Correct.
As for the benefits of it, I'd be afraid of the negatives. Imagine the chain jumping around a bit, going somewhere it shouldn't. On a normal drivetrain, you'll notice that when you'll want to start pedalling. With this system, it could crunch itself. Or am I wrong?
Plus it gives me the heebie jeebies knowing that the chain is 'pushed' forward (or being pulled around through the derailleur). I guess the stronger derailleur cage springs help here...
Its weird how Intense has ended up where they are at.
They put forth this image of being able to whip up these crazy exotic TIG'd prototype bikes. In reality, however cool it is to be able to do that, for a full blown factory team it is not out of the ordinary to have a team dedicated to that. They are just really in your face about it.
Then you have them chasing their tails in bike development. They have been and still are way behind the 8 ball. They lost it trying to play catch up with SC with the 29ers. Released a clearly less than perfect m29. And then totally redesigned the entire thing and have scrapped that one as well it looks like. Now they are even later to the high pivot party.
IFR is just chasing trends. Look at what Commencal is doing. Showing up with consistently different and very very fast bikes. If I was wanting to be at the podium I know who'd I'd go with at this point.
Don’t know how recent those photos are, but I remember Neko saying in a pod cast that towards the end at IFR, they got a whole bunch of other bikes from other companies to ride and assess strengths and weaknesses so they could give feedback to the engineers going forward.
He also said that The intense designers had restrictions that had to be worked around when he wanted to try stuff ( I assume the VPP vibe that intense has always pushed).
Although a dual link HP like the Jedi but with counter rotating links could still be an option…
Don’t know how recent those photos are, but I remember Neko saying in a pod cast that towards the end at IFR, they got a whole...
Don’t know how recent those photos are, but I remember Neko saying in a pod cast that towards the end at IFR, they got a whole bunch of other bikes from other companies to ride and assess strengths and weaknesses so they could give feedback to the engineers going forward.
He also said that The intense designers had restrictions that had to be worked around when he wanted to try stuff ( I assume the VPP vibe that intense has always pushed).
Although a dual link HP like the Jedi but with counter rotating links could still be an option…
Intense can quite literally use anything their minds come up with that isn't under 25 year patent, which I think are currently DW Link, Maestro, Delta Link, ABP & Split Pivot?
FSR, VPP & most all other linkage patents are open source now that their exclusivity has expired? Am I right?
Went searching for more details on the chromag the other site reported on. Ended up finding a different bike altogether
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/25/11919/s1200_SmartSelect_20220125_075804_Chrome.jpg[/img]
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/25/11920/s1200_SmartSelect_20220125_075829_Chrome.jpg[/img]
No details other than...
Went searching for more details on the chromag the other site reported on. Ended up finding a different bike altogether
No details other than it's 120mm rear and can be run full 29 or mullet.
It's also called the Darco.
Nice looking/sounding bike. Are those chainstays aluminum?
I think Jeff has a lot of pride in the VPP which is why it's taken Gwin a couple years of pressure and bad results to get Jeff to cave and make something new. Not that the VPP can't work (Santa Cruz)... but Jeff' "J-link/curve" or whatever he called it. Gwin was teasing a new bike before the start of last season. And then mentioned in another podcast it was taking so long. Now we finally see it. Well, covered up.
And wow, third tire company in 4 seasons for Gwin. Let's hope Vee is up to Maxxis level so we can know his tires aren't holding him back. .. The SNAP tire has always looked great and the compound is sticky. Very similar to the butcher which he loved. The Attack HPL is similar to Assegai. But they're missing a center braking block tire like the DHR II and a mud cut spike like the Shorty 2. Once again, he's developing tires. Hopefully they're in had already and good.
As someone else in this thread pointed out, Vee has a relationship with Intense (or did in the past)... I hope this wasn't the only reason he's on these tires. I hope he really really wants to be haha.
Don’t know how recent those photos are, but I remember Neko saying in a pod cast that towards the end at IFR, they got a whole...
Don’t know how recent those photos are, but I remember Neko saying in a pod cast that towards the end at IFR, they got a whole bunch of other bikes from other companies to ride and assess strengths and weaknesses so they could give feedback to the engineers going forward.
He also said that The intense designers had restrictions that had to be worked around when he wanted to try stuff ( I assume the VPP vibe that intense has always pushed).
Although a dual link HP like the Jedi but with counter rotating links could still be an option…
Its weird how Intense has ended up where they are at.
They put forth this image of being able to whip up these crazy exotic TIG'd...
Its weird how Intense has ended up where they are at.
They put forth this image of being able to whip up these crazy exotic TIG'd prototype bikes. In reality, however cool it is to be able to do that, for a full blown factory team it is not out of the ordinary to have a team dedicated to that. They are just really in your face about it.
Then you have them chasing their tails in bike development. They have been and still are way behind the 8 ball. They lost it trying to play catch up with SC with the 29ers. Released a clearly less than perfect m29. And then totally redesigned the entire thing and have scrapped that one as well it looks like. Now they are even later to the high pivot party.
IFR is just chasing trends. Look at what Commencal is doing. Showing up with consistently different and very very fast bikes. If I was wanting to be at the podium I know who'd I'd go with at this point.
To me it looks like Gwin's bike is definitely a session. Left side pivot, seat tube junction, and the dropouts are the same. The shape of the Session's dropouts can give the impression of an FSR pivot. Also, there are few proven race bikes, the Supreme, the Sender, the v10, the Session and maybe the Demo (albeit Bruni's one has custom geos). Seems natural to test the "competion" offerings. More importantly, will he ride the bike at WCs or will he switch back /develop a new bike? If it is the latter they are already behind in testing, everyone is in portugal/italy full on testing and training right now.
Its weird how Intense has ended up where they are at.
They put forth this image of being able to whip up these crazy exotic TIG'd...
Its weird how Intense has ended up where they are at.
They put forth this image of being able to whip up these crazy exotic TIG'd prototype bikes. In reality, however cool it is to be able to do that, for a full blown factory team it is not out of the ordinary to have a team dedicated to that. They are just really in your face about it.
Then you have them chasing their tails in bike development. They have been and still are way behind the 8 ball. They lost it trying to play catch up with SC with the 29ers. Released a clearly less than perfect m29. And then totally redesigned the entire thing and have scrapped that one as well it looks like. Now they are even later to the high pivot party.
IFR is just chasing trends. Look at what Commencal is doing. Showing up with consistently different and very very fast bikes. If I was wanting to be at the podium I know who'd I'd go with at this point.
I can't speak for the M29 itself, but Jack Moir said that he had good success on the M29 proto frame, but when Gwin joined the team and some of the sponsors changed, ie. tires and suspension etc. he said he didn't get along with some of the different components they were running and that's why he didn't perform in his last year on the team
Now I'm just not sure. The guides look pretty similar.
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/25/11928/s1200_Screenshot_20220125_214411.jpg[/img][img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/25/11926/s1200_Screenshot_20220125_214145.jpg[/img]
Now I'm just not sure. The guides look pretty similar.
I'm now 100% sure it's a session. Check out the other photo of the cut out in the chainstay on the non-drive side
Now I'm just not sure. The guides look pretty similar.
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/25/11928/s1200_Screenshot_20220125_214411.jpg[/img][img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/25/11926/s1200_Screenshot_20220125_214145.jpg[/img]
Now I'm just not sure. The guides look pretty similar.
I'm now 100% sure it's a session. Check out the other photo of the cut out in the chainstay on the non-drive side
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/26/11930/s1200_s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_01_25_at_10.14.43_AM.jpg[/img]
[img]https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb20383676/p5pb20383676.jpg[/img]
I'm now 100% sure it's a session. Check out the other photo of the cut out in the chainstay on the non-drive side
Carry on.
How much travel will the 'first' FS frame have? 150?
Also, gwins bike cooooould be an intense proto, nothing's keeping them from doing something other than VPP/JS, especially for testing. Could also be one of Niko's frames since they still seem be super tight
I've seen this bike now on PB and saw a video on GMBN about it. The thing that sticks out the most to me is the freewheeling chainring/crankset. Williams racing also has that amazing DH bike that does the same thing. My question is if the chain and drivetrain are moving the entire time the bike is moving which allows for the "shifting without pedaling" feature, will that eventually cause the chain and drivetrain to wear prematurely? I may be overthinking this, but if your chain is normally still while coasting but now it moves under coasting, how many more revolutions is that during a typical 1-hour trail ride? Maybe it's not an issue because it's not under load.
Also IFR running vee tires now 100% confirmed
Correct.
As for the benefits of it, I'd be afraid of the negatives. Imagine the chain jumping around a bit, going somewhere it shouldn't. On a normal drivetrain, you'll notice that when you'll want to start pedalling. With this system, it could crunch itself. Or am I wrong?
Plus it gives me the heebie jeebies knowing that the chain is 'pushed' forward (or being pulled around through the derailleur). I guess the stronger derailleur cage springs help here...
They put forth this image of being able to whip up these crazy exotic TIG'd prototype bikes. In reality, however cool it is to be able to do that, for a full blown factory team it is not out of the ordinary to have a team dedicated to that. They are just really in your face about it.
Then you have them chasing their tails in bike development. They have been and still are way behind the 8 ball. They lost it trying to play catch up with SC with the 29ers. Released a clearly less than perfect m29. And then totally redesigned the entire thing and have scrapped that one as well it looks like. Now they are even later to the high pivot party.
IFR is just chasing trends. Look at what Commencal is doing. Showing up with consistently different and very very fast bikes. If I was wanting to be at the podium I know who'd I'd go with at this point.
He also said that The intense designers had restrictions that had to be worked around when he wanted to try stuff ( I assume the VPP vibe that intense has always pushed).
Although a dual link HP like the Jedi but with counter rotating links could still be an option…
FSR, VPP & most all other linkage patents are open source now that their exclusivity has expired? Am I right?
And wow, third tire company in 4 seasons for Gwin. Let's hope Vee is up to Maxxis level so we can know his tires aren't holding him back. .. The SNAP tire has always looked great and the compound is sticky. Very similar to the butcher which he loved. The Attack HPL is similar to Assegai. But they're missing a center braking block tire like the DHR II and a mud cut spike like the Shorty 2. Once again, he's developing tires. Hopefully they're in had already and good.
As someone else in this thread pointed out, Vee has a relationship with Intense (or did in the past)... I hope this wasn't the only reason he's on these tires. I hope he really really wants to be haha.
Edit: Of course, there is always the possibility someone's just stickered their bike...
Edit: Looking at Chris Canfield's site https://suspension-formulas.com/ he has three more patents to be released
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