Alloy stumpy Evo is happening, looks like a carryover of the carbon models geometry and features. So yes, it has a Swat box. Comp and Elite...
Alloy stumpy Evo is happening, looks like a carryover of the carbon models geometry and features. So yes, it has a Swat box. Comp and Elite builds as well as a frame only.
FWIW regarding the Pole, I vote grass with the funky lighting around it (making it look like a crack) is caused by light reflections from the yoke. You can see the reflection on the seattube as well (it's lit up from the yoke).
The reason for that is that if there was a crack there and it was shaped like that, it would be opened outwards and really wide. That would mean something would have to puncture the frame from the inside (something flat) or the frame would have to be opened up. If the crack was there from riding, the only way the crack opened up that much was if the seat tube was snapped in half. It clearly isn't.
Cracks in frames are usually relatively hard to see, as they are closed up when not under load. And fatigue cracks grow for a long while - QED, a friend sent me pics of his chainstay broken literally one hour ago, where 2/3 of the broken weld are smooth and shiny (crack growing and the crack opening and closing back up massaged it to a nicer finish) with the remaining 1/3 being matte - the part that held until the end, when the forces were too high and the chainstay snapped.
I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your bike is broken... can you please take a video so we can make them shut up?"
[url=https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633]https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633[/url]
Joe showing an un-cracked seat tube.
I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your...
I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your bike is broken... can you please take a video so we can make them shut up?"
stupid (untrue) rumours can ruin product lines pretty quick, especially this kinda thing, well done on Pole for keeping on an eye on these kinda threads etc.
[url=https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633]https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633[/url]
Joe showing an un-cracked seat tube.
I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your...
I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your bike is broken... can you please take a video so we can make them shut up?"
The problem isn’t that it wasn’t, it’s that being cracked is the first conclusion drawn. If it was many other brands I would have wondered if it was first but with pole I am more surprised it isn’t.
The problem isn’t that it wasn’t, it’s that being cracked is the first conclusion drawn. If it was many other brands I would have wondered if...
The problem isn’t that it wasn’t, it’s that being cracked is the first conclusion drawn. If it was many other brands I would have wondered if it was first but with pole I am more surprised it isn’t.
Agree. I will never ever buy a pole. Don’t know why anyone else would either based on their reputation. Kind of like going to a crackhouse to buy pot when a dispensary is around the corner.
Pole have added more materials to their bikes and their production process has matured. A friend of mine swapped a Machine to a Stamina 160. The frames were the same weight despite the Machine had lots of steel screws in it to hold the two halves together. But the Stamina 160 was apparently much more playful and poppy.
Their customer support doesn't seem to be humble, though. My friend had some issues with tolerences on the seat tube, which was not a problem with the frame apparently. It was the seat post. New seat post and still no good fit... I had a bit too tight seat tube when I got my Starling last year. Joe at Starling checked his tooling and found out the go-nogo seat post and sest tube reamer were worn out. Everything was solved, and Starling got their production line fixed. Problem solved.
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Meta Power SX already leaked in my Pinkbike Dashboard a few days ago.
Meta Power SX already leaked in my Pinkbike Dashboard a few days ago.
Pretty sure the Power SX was released last year, that post above is a separate thing for a non E-bike
Pole have added more materials to their bikes and their production process has matured. A friend of mine swapped a Machine to a Stamina 160. The...
Pole have added more materials to their bikes and their production process has matured. A friend of mine swapped a Machine to a Stamina 160. The frames were the same weight despite the Machine had lots of steel screws in it to hold the two halves together. But the Stamina 160 was apparently much more playful and poppy.
Their customer support doesn't seem to be humble, though. My friend had some issues with tolerences on the seat tube, which was not a problem with the frame apparently. It was the seat post. New seat post and still no good fit... I had a bit too tight seat tube when I got my Starling last year. Joe at Starling checked his tooling and found out the go-nogo seat post and sest tube reamer were worn out. Everything was solved, and Starling got their production line fixed. Problem solved.
Your second paragraph sums up the difference between the type of small business i want to support and the type of small business I want to stay away from with an xxl pole. Every mtb brand (or really the production of anything) is going to have production issues on some scale. But it seems pole has more than average issues reach customers and as well as more than average dissatisfied customers that have an issues because how the company and Leo handle those issues when they arise. While brands always need to find a balance between customer support and staying in the green there are other brands who seem to really really care about their customers and pole seems to me to take them for granted.
I’ve had to warranty a frame recently. The experience was shockingly easy and time effecient. I was already planning on my next bike also being a transition but now it definitely will be. And my riding buddies all also know about the experience and are more likely to buy transitions too. Showing loyalty to customers is a two way street.
Your second paragraph sums up the difference between the type of small business i want to support and the type of small business I want to...
Your second paragraph sums up the difference between the type of small business i want to support and the type of small business I want to stay away from with an xxl pole. Every mtb brand (or really the production of anything) is going to have production issues on some scale. But it seems pole has more than average issues reach customers and as well as more than average dissatisfied customers that have an issues because how the company and Leo handle those issues when they arise. While brands always need to find a balance between customer support and staying in the green there are other brands who seem to really really care about their customers and pole seems to me to take them for granted.
I’ve had to warranty a frame recently. The experience was shockingly easy and time effecient. I was already planning on my next bike also being a transition but now it definitely will be. And my riding buddies all also know about the experience and are more likely to buy transitions too. Showing loyalty to customers is a two way street.
its not uncommon for any manufacturing process to make out of spec parts. its the job of the QE / QC to make sure any out of spec parts don't reach the customer.
After all these years and so many blown embargoes, they still can't fix their leaks. It's almost as if having those leaks on your site might actually be great for clicks and getting a jump on SEO...
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or something), Float X2 style piggyback and different adjusters to what it is labelled as.
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or...
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or something), Float X2 style piggyback and different adjusters to what it is labelled as.
Rebound adjuster seems to be inline at the top of the shock while compression adjuster is similar to the X2 style.
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or...
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or something), Float X2 style piggyback and different adjusters to what it is labelled as.
The reason for that is that if there was a crack there and it was shaped like that, it would be opened outwards and really wide. That would mean something would have to puncture the frame from the inside (something flat) or the frame would have to be opened up. If the crack was there from riding, the only way the crack opened up that much was if the seat tube was snapped in half. It clearly isn't.
Cracks in frames are usually relatively hard to see, as they are closed up when not under load. And fatigue cracks grow for a long while - QED, a friend sent me pics of his chainstay broken literally one hour ago, where 2/3 of the broken weld are smooth and shiny (crack growing and the crack opening and closing back up massaged it to a nicer finish) with the remaining 1/3 being matte - the part that held until the end, when the forces were too high and the chainstay snapped.
This kind of surface finish is crack growth 101.
Joe showing an un-cracked seat tube.
I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your bike is broken... can you please take a video so we can make them shut up?"
Their customer support doesn't seem to be humble, though. My friend had some issues with tolerences on the seat tube, which was not a problem with the frame apparently. It was the seat post. New seat post and still no good fit... I had a bit too tight seat tube when I got my Starling last year. Joe at Starling checked his tooling and found out the go-nogo seat post and sest tube reamer were worn out. Everything was solved, and Starling got their production line fixed. Problem solved.
Meta Power SX already leaked in my Pinkbike Dashboard a few days ago.
I’ve had to warranty a frame recently. The experience was shockingly easy and time effecient. I was already planning on my next bike also being a transition but now it definitely will be. And my riding buddies all also know about the experience and are more likely to buy transitions too. Showing loyalty to customers is a two way street.
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