Quick scroll though and I didn’t see this yet. Bottom of semis right now and noticed yet another new addition to Myriam’s commencal.Edit: Amaury on it...
Quick scroll though and I didn’t see this yet. Bottom of semis right now and noticed yet another new addition to Myriam’s commencal.
Quick scroll though and I didn’t see this yet. Bottom of semis right now and noticed yet another new addition to Myriam’s commencal.Edit: Amaury on it...
Quick scroll though and I didn’t see this yet. Bottom of semis right now and noticed yet another new addition to Myriam’s commencal.
Quick scroll though and I didn’t see this yet. Bottom of semis right now and noticed yet another new addition to Myriam’s commencal.Edit: Amaury on it...
Quick scroll though and I didn’t see this yet. Bottom of semis right now and noticed yet another new addition to Myriam’s commencal.
Isn't this now two semi-independent six bar linkages?
Kind of, a floating brake arm effectively makes a separate linkage arrangement for the brake which is why it can have completely different anti rise ccharacteristics
Kind of, a floating brake arm effectively makes a separate linkage arrangement for the brake which is why it can have completely different anti rise ccharacteristics
Yeah, no effect on axle path and chain tension. I understand the application but what I haven't seen before (in my very limited experience) is its use on a true six-bar?
Anyway I can't decide whether that "eight bar" comment on Pinkbike was even intended to be serious.
Pedalling wise it's a 6 bar. Braking wise it's an 8 bar.
There are 2 bars connecting the main triangle and the rear axle. Rear axle path is defined by a 6bar linkage. 6+2 defines the movement/rotation of the brake link.
This is the exact reason why split pivots are single pivot pedalling wise but 4 bar braking wise.
So as was sort of pointed out a bit earlier in this thread... Dak's interview confirms that the High Roller 3 (at least DH version) is...
So as was sort of pointed out a bit earlier in this thread... Dak's interview confirms that the High Roller 3 (at least DH version) is on the new un-announced Maxxis casing that they've been developing for a while. I'm sure partially or wholly in response to Continental. Neko mentioned that Maxxis was working on casings for a while but they weren't going to be ready for the 2024 season so they went to Continental for the higher performance envelope of their tires. I'm assuming Maxxis is tooling up to get the DHR2 and Assegai ready to ship with this new casing before coming out with the news. Sounds official launch is still ~2 months away though. The tire casing wars heating up lately!
After my friend @jeff231 made a comment about the Highroller 3 being sturdier than his DHR2 at the Snow Summit Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series and Jason making a similar comment on B Practice I went down to a bike shop yesterday to see if there was a difference in the sidewalls. Sure enough, the Highroller 3 has what feels like one of those anti-thorn strips running from the bead to about 3/5th up the sidewall under the rubber. I'm assuming it's primarily pinch flat protection but Jason and @jeff231 both indicate that it offers more support in the tire as well. This is probably that "breaker" casing which we've seen at the world cup for a couple years now.
Shop staff Said the Hightower is coming in about 2 weeks.
Same thing goes for the new Troy from devinci.
Both bikes will only come in AXS for now, since the release of GX and NX t-type has been delayed to spring 25. They will have another release then with lower speed models.
Supposedly this is what's is pushing the release of the aluminum Stump jumper as well.
So as was sort of pointed out a bit earlier in this thread... Dak's interview confirms that the High Roller 3 (at least DH version) is...
So as was sort of pointed out a bit earlier in this thread... Dak's interview confirms that the High Roller 3 (at least DH version) is on the new un-announced Maxxis casing that they've been developing for a while. I'm sure partially or wholly in response to Continental. Neko mentioned that Maxxis was working on casings for a while but they weren't going to be ready for the 2024 season so they went to Continental for the higher performance envelope of their tires. I'm assuming Maxxis is tooling up to get the DHR2 and Assegai ready to ship with this new casing before coming out with the news. Sounds official launch is still ~2 months away though. The tire casing wars heating up lately!
After my friend @jeff231 made a comment about the Highroller 3 being sturdier than his DHR2 at the Snow Summit Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series and...
After my friend @jeff231 made a comment about the Highroller 3 being sturdier than his DHR2 at the Snow Summit Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series and Jason making a similar comment on B Practice I went down to a bike shop yesterday to see if there was a difference in the sidewalls. Sure enough, the Highroller 3 has what feels like one of those anti-thorn strips running from the bead to about 3/5th up the sidewall under the rubber. I'm assuming it's primarily pinch flat protection but Jason and @jeff231 both indicate that it offers more support in the tire as well. This is probably that "breaker" casing which we've seen at the world cup for a couple years now.
I got a set in the mail yesterday, the sidewalls definitely seem stiffer than the used Assegais I have sitting in the garage. 2800g+ for an MX set.
Kudos to Maxxis for finally dumping the plastic hang tags for cardboard too.
HAHA! I'm dumb and wrong. @ewebster noticed it was his Giant Reign E+. False alarm. Go watch the video anyway because I want to go to Montana to ride stuff like that and I can't.
HAHA! I'm dumb and wrong. @ewebster noticed it was his Giant Reign E+. False alarm. Go watch the video anyway because I want to go to Montana to ride stuff like that and I can't.
From the camera angle that logo looks like it could be a Forbidden logo (nevermind that upside down thing...brains do weird stuff) but I had half a hunch I had seen that top tube display before. Turns out I had!
Well, I'm leaving that post up because I want to go ride those trails in Montana and Brian seems like a good dude and deserves some more views.
So as was sort of pointed out a bit earlier in this thread... Dak's interview confirms that the High Roller 3 (at least DH version) is...
So as was sort of pointed out a bit earlier in this thread... Dak's interview confirms that the High Roller 3 (at least DH version) is on the new un-announced Maxxis casing that they've been developing for a while. I'm sure partially or wholly in response to Continental. Neko mentioned that Maxxis was working on casings for a while but they weren't going to be ready for the 2024 season so they went to Continental for the higher performance envelope of their tires. I'm assuming Maxxis is tooling up to get the DHR2 and Assegai ready to ship with this new casing before coming out with the news. Sounds official launch is still ~2 months away though. The tire casing wars heating up lately!
After my friend @jeff231 made a comment about the Highroller 3 being sturdier than his DHR2 at the Snow Summit Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series and...
After my friend @jeff231 made a comment about the Highroller 3 being sturdier than his DHR2 at the Snow Summit Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series and Jason making a similar comment on B Practice I went down to a bike shop yesterday to see if there was a difference in the sidewalls. Sure enough, the Highroller 3 has what feels like one of those anti-thorn strips running from the bead to about 3/5th up the sidewall under the rubber. I'm assuming it's primarily pinch flat protection but Jason and @jeff231 both indicate that it offers more support in the tire as well. This is probably that "breaker" casing which we've seen at the world cup for a couple years now.
The WC exclusive casing was the ZK casing, I'd say kevlar reinforced with tech coming from the road side of things.
So as was sort of pointed out a bit earlier in this thread... Dak's interview confirms that the High Roller 3 (at least DH version) is...
So as was sort of pointed out a bit earlier in this thread... Dak's interview confirms that the High Roller 3 (at least DH version) is on the new un-announced Maxxis casing that they've been developing for a while. I'm sure partially or wholly in response to Continental. Neko mentioned that Maxxis was working on casings for a while but they weren't going to be ready for the 2024 season so they went to Continental for the higher performance envelope of their tires. I'm assuming Maxxis is tooling up to get the DHR2 and Assegai ready to ship with this new casing before coming out with the news. Sounds official launch is still ~2 months away though. The tire casing wars heating up lately!
After my friend @jeff231 made a comment about the Highroller 3 being sturdier than his DHR2 at the Snow Summit Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series and...
After my friend @jeff231 made a comment about the Highroller 3 being sturdier than his DHR2 at the Snow Summit Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series and Jason making a similar comment on B Practice I went down to a bike shop yesterday to see if there was a difference in the sidewalls. Sure enough, the Highroller 3 has what feels like one of those anti-thorn strips running from the bead to about 3/5th up the sidewall under the rubber. I'm assuming it's primarily pinch flat protection but Jason and @jeff231 both indicate that it offers more support in the tire as well. This is probably that "breaker" casing which we've seen at the world cup for a couple years now.
The WC exclusive casing was the ZK casing, I'd say kevlar reinforced with tech coming from the road side of things.
The new HR uses a different butyl sidewall insert than the rest of the current DH line with the goal of creating a more stable and damped (dampened) casing.
The WC exclusive casing was the ZK casing, I'd say kevlar reinforced with tech coming from the road side of things.
ZK is a super tough, light, and flexible material originally used on our road tires. For the team spec DH casings it's used as a breaker layer underneath the tread for puncture protection.
Frameworks Enduro rig is officially official and open to the public. Death knell of the X2? They didn't even try to sell it with one and just went straight float x or vivid.
Frameworks Enduro rig is officially official and open to the public. Death knell of the X2? They didn't even try to sell it with one and...
Frameworks Enduro rig is officially official and open to the public. Death knell of the X2? They didn't even try to sell it with one and just went straight float x or vivid.
Im not sure if its the death of the x2. They also use the dhx on the downhill bike instead of the dhx2. Seems they like the way they can tune those shocks to the bike better than the x2 and dhx2
Yeah, I got the impression it was a price point, not a performance thing
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would add over a float x? Looks like a 100 dollar price difference. Theres gotta be more of a reason to it than making the frame 4000 vs 4100. I really think they wanted to keep the float x and tuned specifically for their frame for it being a simpler shock with less adjustments to keep it easier for the end user to get the bike feeling good. He also said something about that in the video too.
Heres what it has on the frameworks site but for dhx vs dhx2 :
Working closely with Fox, we were able to develop a custom tune for our kinematics that gave us the numbers we were looking for in the simpler monotube shock. The adjustment range is smaller than the DHX2, but still gives us a wider window of adjustment than we have used. Neko and Asa raced with this shock the second half of the season.
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would...
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would add over a float x? Looks like a 100 dollar price difference. Theres gotta be more of a reason to it than making the frame 4000 vs 4100. I really think they wanted to keep the float x and tuned specifically for their frame for it being a simpler shock with less adjustments to keep it easier for the end user to get the bike feeling good. He also said something about that in the video too.
Heres what it has on the frameworks site but for dhx vs dhx2 :
Working closely with Fox, we were able to develop a custom tune for our kinematics that gave us the numbers we were looking for in the simpler monotube shock. The adjustment range is smaller than the DHX2, but still gives us a wider window of adjustment than we have used. Neko and Asa raced with this shock the second half of the season.
Yeah, I got the impression it was a price point, not a performance thing
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot of riders who don’t see any benefit to running a vivid over an sdu. When you look at how people are running the big shocks it seems like they have to stuff them full of tokens, which then defeats the point of running a big shock. I guess you can get a little more control through the real rough sections but I don’t know first hand because I can’t fit an x2 on my bike. Hoping to try a vivid to see how much of a difference it makes…
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would...
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would add over a float x? Looks like a 100 dollar price difference. Theres gotta be more of a reason to it than making the frame 4000 vs 4100. I really think they wanted to keep the float x and tuned specifically for their frame for it being a simpler shock with less adjustments to keep it easier for the end user to get the bike feeling good. He also said something about that in the video too.
Heres what it has on the frameworks site but for dhx vs dhx2 :
Working closely with Fox, we were able to develop a custom tune for our kinematics that gave us the numbers we were looking for in the simpler monotube shock. The adjustment range is smaller than the DHX2, but still gives us a wider window of adjustment than we have used. Neko and Asa raced with this shock the second half of the season.
I did notice he was running the x2 on the dh bike for the last 2 races. I messaged them and asked about that and they actually changed the linkage to make it a bit less progressive so he could run the x2 instead of the coil. They said the main reason he did that was because he wanted more bottom out resistance and more support than the dhx. They changed the linkage so that he would still get the sensitivity off the top but with the extra bottom out of the air shock. I dont know how many volume spacers hes running in it though or what they changed the progression ratio to
Found these pics from Ft. William and they're painted there too: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/even-more-tech-randoms-fort-william-world-cup.html
Guess I haven't been paying close enough attention...
Good spot. 👍
Pinkbike says 8th bar anti-rise mod.
Engineer: "How many points of articulation should the rear suspension have?"
Max Commencal: "Yes."
The true n+1, where n is the number of bars
He must own stocks in a ball bearing company.
Also wouldn’t this just be 7 bar?
I’d call it a 7 bar design.
The 8th bar is the part the brake is bolted to, which rotates independently from the seatstay where it's usually mounted.
Isn't this now two semi-independent six bar linkages?
Kind of, a floating brake arm effectively makes a separate linkage arrangement for the brake which is why it can have completely different anti rise ccharacteristics
Yeah, no effect on axle path and chain tension. I understand the application but what I haven't seen before (in my very limited experience) is its use on a true six-bar?
Anyway I can't decide whether that "eight bar" comment on Pinkbike was even intended to be serious.
Pedalling wise it's a 6 bar. Braking wise it's an 8 bar.
There are 2 bars connecting the main triangle and the rear axle. Rear axle path is defined by a 6bar linkage. 6+2 defines the movement/rotation of the brake link.
This is the exact reason why split pivots are single pivot pedalling wise but 4 bar braking wise.
After my friend @jeff231 made a comment about the Highroller 3 being sturdier than his DHR2 at the Snow Summit Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series and Jason making a similar comment on B Practice I went down to a bike shop yesterday to see if there was a difference in the sidewalls. Sure enough, the Highroller 3 has what feels like one of those anti-thorn strips running from the bead to about 3/5th up the sidewall under the rubber. I'm assuming it's primarily pinch flat protection but Jason and @jeff231 both indicate that it offers more support in the tire as well. This is probably that "breaker" casing which we've seen at the world cup for a couple years now.
Shop staff Said the Hightower is coming in about 2 weeks.
Same thing goes for the new Troy from devinci.
Both bikes will only come in AXS for now, since the release of GX and NX t-type has been delayed to spring 25. They will have another release then with lower speed models.
Supposedly this is what's is pushing the release of the aluminum Stump jumper as well.
I got a set in the mail yesterday, the sidewalls definitely seem stiffer than the used Assegais I have sitting in the garage. 2800g+ for an MX set.
Kudos to Maxxis for finally dumping the plastic hang tags for cardboard too.
I think Brian Cahal on YouTube is riding a Forbidden ebike.
Just after https://youtu.be/i1Qln-KXKOc?si=j1u77CQDJy13Ophs&t=115 you see a display on the top tube and hear him being assisted while pedaling. What a weird way to have to form that sentence.
HAHA! I'm dumb and wrong. @ewebster noticed it was his Giant Reign E+. False alarm. Go watch the video anyway because I want to go to Montana to ride stuff like that and I can't.
He's on a Giant Reign E+. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuNLJ3wQ1Rc&ab_channel=BrianCahal
Yep. That's 100% it. Good spot!
From the camera angle that logo looks like it could be a Forbidden logo (nevermind that upside down thing...brains do weird stuff) but I had half a hunch I had seen that top tube display before. Turns out I had!
Well, I'm leaving that post up because I want to go ride those trails in Montana and Brian seems like a good dude and deserves some more views.
The WC exclusive casing was the ZK casing, I'd say kevlar reinforced with tech coming from the road side of things.
The new HR uses a different butyl sidewall insert than the rest of the current DH line with the goal of creating a more stable and damped (dampened) casing.
Forbidden E-bike is coming end of this year / early 2025. Possibly SRAM motor.
ZK is a super tough, light, and flexible material originally used on our road tires. For the team spec DH casings it's used as a breaker layer underneath the tread for puncture protection.
Frameworks Enduro rig is officially official and open to the public. Death knell of the X2? They didn't even try to sell it with one and just went straight float x or vivid.
Im not sure if its the death of the x2. They also use the dhx on the downhill bike instead of the dhx2. Seems they like the way they can tune those shocks to the bike better than the x2 and dhx2
Yeah, I got the impression it was a price point, not a performance thing
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would add over a float x? Looks like a 100 dollar price difference. Theres gotta be more of a reason to it than making the frame 4000 vs 4100. I really think they wanted to keep the float x and tuned specifically for their frame for it being a simpler shock with less adjustments to keep it easier for the end user to get the bike feeling good. He also said something about that in the video too.
Heres what it has on the frameworks site but for dhx vs dhx2 :
Working closely with Fox, we were able to develop a custom tune for our kinematics that gave us the numbers we were looking for in the simpler monotube shock. The adjustment range is smaller than the DHX2, but still gives us a wider window of adjustment than we have used. Neko and Asa raced with this shock the second half of the season.
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot of riders who don’t see any benefit to running a vivid over an sdu. When you look at how people are running the big shocks it seems like they have to stuff them full of tokens, which then defeats the point of running a big shock. I guess you can get a little more control through the real rough sections but I don’t know first hand because I can’t fit an x2 on my bike. Hoping to try a vivid to see how much of a difference it makes…
I did notice he was running the x2 on the dh bike for the last 2 races. I messaged them and asked about that and they actually changed the linkage to make it a bit less progressive so he could run the x2 instead of the coil. They said the main reason he did that was because he wanted more bottom out resistance and more support than the dhx. They changed the linkage so that he would still get the sensitivity off the top but with the extra bottom out of the air shock. I dont know how many volume spacers hes running in it though or what they changed the progression ratio to
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