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6/21/2024 10:54am

I’m loving the increased difficulty in XCO. If you can’t handle it as top-level racer; swap the xc bike for a trail bike, wear an actual MTB helmet and back protection, or go race gravel or XC marathon instead.

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6/21/2024 12:54pm
dolface wrote:

And looks like the log drops to log-rounds drop might be out? Not in Puck's preview or Tempier's either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzwf2XQR6Bk

gibbon wrote:
She says they've been taken out in the video. They added a D-line on the rock drops too.

She says they've been taken out in the video. They added a D-line on the rock drops too.

Isn't there supposed to be some oversight/consulting w/ the technical delegates on course construction, including site visits, leading up to the race or is that just for DHI?

Seems like removing and routing around major technical features because weather wasn't factored in (in the Alps!!) is a pretty big fail...

6/21/2024 6:07pm

Sad they are closing the features, there are already  B and C lines for whoever is not up to the challenge. It's removing opportunities for the most skilled riders. What's about adding a chairlift section in the climbs to help the racers with less stamina?
Racers are adults (for the elite) and can choose the amount of risk they want to take even if they might have to crash a couple times to find their limit. Honestly, the track doesn't look different than what you would find in a public bike park. Any kids from Whistler would shred these features with ease... 

Maybe not the smartest to have wood features on a wet track but nothing that could not be fixed with some chicken wire..;-p

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6/21/2024 8:29pm
LePigPen wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8ew6EasTqG/

I hate to laugh but... This looks straight outta cinema. The slo mo really seals it. I need to re-edit this to dramatic music.

I'd vote for Yakety Sax or Flight of the Bumblebee but that's just me (and props to Blevs for keeping it upright!)

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6/21/2024 8:34pm
LePigPen wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8ew6EasTqG/

I hate to laugh but... This looks straight outta cinema. The slo mo really seals it. I need to re-edit this to dramatic music.

dolface wrote:

I'd vote for Yakety Sax or Flight of the Bumblebee but that's just me (and props to Blevs for keeping it upright!)

Step Brothers scene prodives: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a0Jr8PvVXAQ

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6/22/2024 5:11am
dolface wrote:
Isn't there supposed to be some oversight/consulting w/ the technical delegates on course construction, including site visits, leading up to the race or is that just...

Isn't there supposed to be some oversight/consulting w/ the technical delegates on course construction, including site visits, leading up to the race or is that just for DHI?

Seems like removing and routing around major technical features because weather wasn't factored in (in the Alps!!) is a pretty big fail...

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6/22/2024 11:26am

Dirt roadies is a joke. I’m assuming everyone here knows how good they all are at riding mountain bikes!

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6/24/2024 6:39am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2024 6:40am

Any word on whether the top 10 rider at the 36 minute mark of the men's Elite race did indeed shatter his jaw as Carlson yells whoa and turns around to keep the stoke going as he's signaling directly to Josh that "I need help!!!" as he lies broken on the dividing line/boulder wall between A & B line?  

That was awful looking.  Heal up sir!

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6/24/2024 7:43am

https://www.instagram.com/thebikemax/p/C8kFGwLocO_/?hl=en&img_index=1

https://videos.mtb-news.de/56547/030050b_630150_img_0051

def lost a tooth. i think its tough when he wishes to raise legitimate concerns about the course in terms of the precedent. but... despite the precedent, the other riders are making those sections. not sure if he was the only 'serious' injury of the week.

and it also ties into the B line thing, which I believe there was one for this. If you chose to ride that to save time cuz it was needed to win and weren't capable when everyone else was... Thems the breaks.

I'm also blown away Pidcock, the guy most made fun of for being a roadie, stomped everyone? And technical wizards like Nino and Blevins fell behind a bit. Almost makes the case even worse for 'the course being too hard'. Not sure. Again not saying he doesn't have a legit claim, particularly if backed by 50+% of the field, but if we changed DH courses every time a rider got injured on a section we would end up riding a fire road down...

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6/24/2024 8:09am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2024 8:10am
LePigPen wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/thebikemax/p/C8kFGwLocO_/?hl=en&img_index=1 https://videos.mtb-news.de/56547/030050b_630150_img_0051 def lost a tooth. i think its tough when he wishes to raise legitimate concerns about the course in terms of the precedent. but...

https://www.instagram.com/thebikemax/p/C8kFGwLocO_/?hl=en&img_index=1

https://videos.mtb-news.de/56547/030050b_630150_img_0051

def lost a tooth. i think its tough when he wishes to raise legitimate concerns about the course in terms of the precedent. but... despite the precedent, the other riders are making those sections. not sure if he was the only 'serious' injury of the week.

and it also ties into the B line thing, which I believe there was one for this. If you chose to ride that to save time cuz it was needed to win and weren't capable when everyone else was... Thems the breaks.

I'm also blown away Pidcock, the guy most made fun of for being a roadie, stomped everyone? And technical wizards like Nino and Blevins fell behind a bit. Almost makes the case even worse for 'the course being too hard'. Not sure. Again not saying he doesn't have a legit claim, particularly if backed by 50+% of the field, but if we changed DH courses every time a rider got injured on a section we would end up riding a fire road down...

I dont think the course was too technical, i just dont think they should line those sections with rock walls. Theyd have more line options if they left that boulder field open without the rock barriers. The technicality would still be there, which is great in mtb, but those inbedded rock walls are unnecessary hazards, excessive consequences

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6/24/2024 8:22am
LePigPen wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/thebikemax/p/C8kFGwLocO_/?hl=en&img_index=1 https://videos.mtb-news.de/56547/030050b_630150_img_0051 def lost a tooth. i think its tough when he wishes to raise legitimate concerns about the course in terms of the precedent. but...

https://www.instagram.com/thebikemax/p/C8kFGwLocO_/?hl=en&img_index=1

https://videos.mtb-news.de/56547/030050b_630150_img_0051

def lost a tooth. i think its tough when he wishes to raise legitimate concerns about the course in terms of the precedent. but... despite the precedent, the other riders are making those sections. not sure if he was the only 'serious' injury of the week.

and it also ties into the B line thing, which I believe there was one for this. If you chose to ride that to save time cuz it was needed to win and weren't capable when everyone else was... Thems the breaks.

I'm also blown away Pidcock, the guy most made fun of for being a roadie, stomped everyone? And technical wizards like Nino and Blevins fell behind a bit. Almost makes the case even worse for 'the course being too hard'. Not sure. Again not saying he doesn't have a legit claim, particularly if backed by 50+% of the field, but if we changed DH courses every time a rider got injured on a section we would end up riding a fire road down...

Pidcock (reigning Cx and Olympic xc champion) is widely regarded as the best decender in the peleton and an incredible bike handler. Not sure anyone is making fun of him.
They took the road gap out at Vallnord where Camille wrecked herself.They cancelled the entire Junior race at Loudenville.
I think the point is that penalty for failure shouldn't be an injury caused by a badly designed feature.Max's front wheel slipped and sent him offline......in a narrow runout lined by massive boulders.......which he hit with his face. Did the boulders add to the technical difficulty of the section or just make it more dangerous?

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6/24/2024 8:33am

the Carlson clip is gnarly, and a perfect encapsulation of the WB Discovery era

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6/24/2024 10:09am

The Carlson clip was cringe watching it live. I commented somewhere that the boulder walls were gonna catch someone but no pleasure in being right about it. 
Grinch is right about the punji walls of stone not needing to be there. Could simply have left it a free for all like the one descent.

Not even DH racers want to sprint uphill, lungs in your eyeballs and huck a peaked rock slab w/ no back side at 2mph. Oh…and do it 7 times getting progressively more tired and the rocks getting more peanut buttery.

That was Hard Enduro 

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6/24/2024 10:13am
LePigPen wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/thebikemax/p/C8kFGwLocO_/?hl=en&img_index=1 https://videos.mtb-news.de/56547/030050b_630150_img_0051 def lost a tooth. i think its tough when he wishes to raise legitimate concerns about the course in terms of the precedent. but...

https://www.instagram.com/thebikemax/p/C8kFGwLocO_/?hl=en&img_index=1

https://videos.mtb-news.de/56547/030050b_630150_img_0051

def lost a tooth. i think its tough when he wishes to raise legitimate concerns about the course in terms of the precedent. but... despite the precedent, the other riders are making those sections. not sure if he was the only 'serious' injury of the week.

and it also ties into the B line thing, which I believe there was one for this. If you chose to ride that to save time cuz it was needed to win and weren't capable when everyone else was... Thems the breaks.

I'm also blown away Pidcock, the guy most made fun of for being a roadie, stomped everyone? And technical wizards like Nino and Blevins fell behind a bit. Almost makes the case even worse for 'the course being too hard'. Not sure. Again not saying he doesn't have a legit claim, particularly if backed by 50+% of the field, but if we changed DH courses every time a rider got injured on a section we would end up riding a fire road down...

Wonder who the trapped rider was on last lap that forced the whole section to be shut down. Looked to be a victim of the boulder punji wall too 

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6/24/2024 7:40pm

Just found out Italian moto doesn’t allow tear offs so guys run this cable that the tear off is supposed to stay attached to and dangle off the back. Can you imagine if you have to do this on a DH race?

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6/24/2024 10:56pm

Good, the sooner tear offs are banned all round the better. And when a company gets round to making a remote roll off system loic can have an extra button on his bar

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6/25/2024 12:18am

Just had a look at the upcoming Combloux EDR schedule and absolutely can't understand why they did plan the EDR and open EDR races on Friday?!?
Why not racing on Saturday since it's not a shared disciplines event and there absolutely noting on schedule that day and e-EDR races on Sunday.
The only explanation i can see is to give a rest day to EDR racers so they would race e-EDR on Sunday so e-EDR could have the focus they hope instead of EDR.

6/25/2024 12:36am
ArchiRaph wrote:
Just had a look at the upcoming Combloux EDR schedule and absolutely can't understand why they did plan the EDR and open EDR races on Friday...

Just had a look at the upcoming Combloux EDR schedule and absolutely can't understand why they did plan the EDR and open EDR races on Friday?!?
Why not racing on Saturday since it's not a shared disciplines event and there absolutely noting on schedule that day and e-EDR races on Sunday.
The only explanation i can see is to give a rest day to EDR racers so they would race e-EDR on Sunday so e-EDR could have the focus they hope instead of EDR.

I don't have any precise details but my guess is that the MB Race is planned on the same week-end, nearly at the same place (Megève). Some infrastructures seem to be shared by both events organizers.

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6/25/2024 12:52am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2024 12:52am

You're right, Saturday will see the marathon races including the UCI Marathon World Cup round. So that's why.

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6/25/2024 6:07am

Hope we sew some E edr coverage. I think itd be cool to see a ghost timing vid of head to head riders on the power stage like Cathro does on dh sections for dhi

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6/25/2024 8:52am
 

IXS Maribor was just cancelled for "financial reasons"

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6/25/2024 8:56am

Tourism…more profitable than bicycle races 

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6/25/2024 11:43am

doesn’t seem like a good omen for future feeder series…

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6/25/2024 2:07pm

Quick comment from the uci on that.   "meh"

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6/26/2024 4:46am
owl-x wrote:

doesn’t seem like a good omen for future feeder series…

choose venues with secure finances?

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