UCI grant Discovery WC rights from 2023 to 2030

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exactly. the broadcast and its eyeballs are what they're selling to sponsors and subscribers. who wouldn't love to be in les gets with that electric atmosphere...

exactly. the broadcast and its eyeballs are what they're selling to sponsors and subscribers.

who wouldn't love to be in les gets with that electric atmosphere and thousands of passionate fans? les gets is basically the superbowl of world cup venues for in-person spectating and energy. did that translate into views on their platform?

i'd like to think they would then go back and watch the replay of their own coverage to see the gap between attending the event and what they broadcast. like you said that's the product they are selling, one would think/hope they have a vested interest in ensuring they are capturing it in a way that the fans (aka their customers) are expecting. 

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I think Ric is trying hard to find his own voice, phrasing and words. He is continually compared to Rob and rightfully so. He is coming up short, as his word choice is confusing and not what long time watchers are accustomed to. 
Was not a fan of his previous EWS preride videos. They were awkward like his current attempts. 
The trackside interview person this year has no clue what’s happening, who people are and drags out an already mediocre broadcast. 
the drone footage is neat but is ineffective of showing that section of track. Would be better with a longer fixed (or 2) camera setup. 
Only my opinion as a GCN subscriber only watching finals. It’s already long enough. Get rid of semis, go back to 60 or 50 qualifying, make the tracks more technical and less all out speed. 

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I think Ric is trying hard to find his own voice, phrasing and words. He is continually compared to Rob and rightfully so. He is coming...

I think Ric is trying hard to find his own voice, phrasing and words. He is continually compared to Rob and rightfully so. He is coming up short, as his word choice is confusing and not what long time watchers are accustomed to. 
Was not a fan of his previous EWS preride videos. They were awkward like his current attempts. 
The trackside interview person this year has no clue what’s happening, who people are and drags out an already mediocre broadcast. 
the drone footage is neat but is ineffective of showing that section of track. Would be better with a longer fixed (or 2) camera setup. 
Only my opinion as a GCN subscriber only watching finals. It’s already long enough. Get rid of semis, go back to 60 or 50 qualifying, make the tracks more technical and less all out speed. 

This year's have been quite "technical"... whatever that actually means 🤔

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Need more of this drone footage up high and less in the woods. Drone in the trees works for the xc but doesn’t seem to be able to keep up for dh

 

 

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The most recent Downtime Podcast post race recap from Les Gets, Olly mentioned that the heads from Discovery attended the week and loved the racing, crowds...

The most recent Downtime Podcast post race recap from Les Gets, Olly mentioned that the heads from Discovery attended the week and loved the racing, crowds, entertainment and passion. 

https://www.downtimepodcast.com/les-gets-2023-post/

jonkranked wrote:

but did they love the broadcast

sspomer wrote:
exactly. the broadcast and its eyeballs are what they're selling to sponsors and subscribers. who wouldn't love to be in les gets with that electric atmosphere...

exactly. the broadcast and its eyeballs are what they're selling to sponsors and subscribers.

who wouldn't love to be in les gets with that electric atmosphere and thousands of passionate fans? les gets is basically the superbowl of world cup venues for in-person spectating and energy. did that translate into views on their platform?

Only Discovery knows the viewer numbers (assume if you're an advertising prospect they would share the numbers to prove the value) so only they would know if they are happy. Redbull did not share their live telecast numbers either.

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I'm guessing this has to do with one thing and one thing only. Tour de France broadcast rights.

Everything else was just lumped in to the package. It would be such a win for them to move the broadcasts to Discovery+, sell off the remainder of GCN, and then have the people who bought GCN make content promoting the sport in which Discovery holds the broadcast rights. 

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I'm guessing this has to do with one thing and one thing only. Tour de France broadcast rights. Everything else was just lumped in to the...

I'm guessing this has to do with one thing and one thing only. Tour de France broadcast rights.

Everything else was just lumped in to the package. It would be such a win for them to move the broadcasts to Discovery+, sell off the remainder of GCN, and then have the people who bought GCN make content promoting the sport in which Discovery holds the broadcast rights. 

ASO promotes and sells rights to the grand tours, which is a different promotor to the mtb World Cup. 

The UCI provides the commissaire who enforce the rules, control the blood testing, uci ranking points etc but doesn’t control the broadcast rights to the grand tours. 

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ASO promotes and sells rights to the grand tours, which is a different promotor to the mtb World Cup.  The UCI provides the commissaire who enforce the...

ASO promotes and sells rights to the grand tours, which is a different promotor to the mtb World Cup. 

The UCI provides the commissaire who enforce the rules, control the blood testing, uci ranking points etc but doesn’t control the broadcast rights to the grand tours. 

Yes and Eurosport has bought those rights through 2025, so by Discovery buying Eurosport they also got the rights to the TDF in Europe for those years. I would also venture to guess that Eurosport also has some first right of refusal for extending their contract with ASO. Disco can now decouple those rights from Eurosport, put the Grand Tours on Disco+ and sell off what remains of Eurosport and GCN if they wish. 

I think we can all agree that TDF generates probably an order of magnitude more in revenue than the entire UCI MTB season, hence my comment. 

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email from mtb world series about enduro views/reach

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UCI Enduro World Cup enjoys record views and rider attendance 

More teams, riders & views than ever before

● 4,000 entries across 55 nationalities during the season
● Cumulative reach of 83.6m across UCI MTB World Series social media platforms
● 1.5m views of Enduro content on dedicated YouTube channel with subscribers doubling

As the dust settles on the first season of the UCI Enduro World Cup, Warner Bros. Discovery Sports is pleased to announce coverage of the sport reached more people than ever before.

The 2023 UCI Enduro and E-Enduro World Cup attracted more teams than ever, with no less than 46 professional teams competing, which translated to a total of nearly 2,000 individual entries across the year. Open racing was also on offer at six of the seven rounds, equating to nearly 2,000 amateur entries - giving a total of close to 4,000 entries from a record 55 nationalities racing enduro this season. 

The format also enjoyed record audiences engaging with the sport. The season to date has enjoyed a cumulative reach of 83.6 million across all the UCI Mountain Bike World Series social media accounts, thanks to a growing audience that now extends to over 755,000 fans across these channels. Enduro and e-enduro content benefitted from the UCI Mountain Bike World Series’ rapidly expanding YouTube audience, which is up over 100% on last year’s subscriber numbers - leading to 1.5 million views of enduro content on our YouTube channel alone. Enduro Highlight Shows are also shown on Global Cycling Network (GCN), GMBN, e-enduro on EMBN as well as on Eurosport.com.

Chris Ball, VP of Cycling Events at Warner Bros. Discovery Sports, said: “It’s fantastic to see the growth of enduro as it enjoys its first season as a UCI World Cup and part of Warner Bros. Discovery where we have been able to leverage our unmatched global scale and storytelling ability to bring the sport to new audiences.

“With the highest ever number of teams in 2023 and more riders out on track, it’s great to see participation in the sport continuing to grow and the level of competition getting even better. There’s never been more ways to watch enduro and we’re excited to see this continue into next year. The 2024 enduro calendar has some great new additions and we’re looking forward to sharing the full race calendar soon.”

The seven round season kicked off in Tasmania, Australia, before heading to France, Italy and Austria and concluded in the mountains of Chatel last weekend, where Richie Rude (Yeti/Fox Factory Racing) and Isabeau Courdurier (Lapierre Zipp Collective) were crowned the overall enduro series champions, whilst Florencia Espineira (Orbea Fox Enduro Team) and Fabien Barel (Canyon CLLCTV) took the e-enduro top honours.  

This season was the first in an eight-year partnership between Warner Bros. Discovery and the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) to advance and elevate mountain biking for a global audience by bringing new innovations to expanded competitions as part of a new era for the sport.

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Moimoi TV is the only reason I even remember enduro exists.

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Jesus H Christ.....how much money did they stuff into Ball's pockets for him to come out with this horsesh1t?

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Companies always have a way of manipulating data to make things seem better than ever before even if it's going to shit.

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sspomer wrote:
email from mtb world series about enduro views/reach ---------------------------------- UCI Enduro World Cup enjoys record views and rider attendance  More teams, riders & views than ever...

email from mtb world series about enduro views/reach

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UCI Enduro World Cup enjoys record views and rider attendance 

More teams, riders & views than ever before

● 4,000 entries across 55 nationalities during the season
● Cumulative reach of 83.6m across UCI MTB World Series social media platforms
● 1.5m views of Enduro content on dedicated YouTube channel with subscribers doubling

As the dust settles on the first season of the UCI Enduro World Cup, Warner Bros. Discovery Sports is pleased to announce coverage of the sport reached more people than ever before.

The 2023 UCI Enduro and E-Enduro World Cup attracted more teams than ever, with no less than 46 professional teams competing, which translated to a total of nearly 2,000 individual entries across the year. Open racing was also on offer at six of the seven rounds, equating to nearly 2,000 amateur entries - giving a total of close to 4,000 entries from a record 55 nationalities racing enduro this season. 

The format also enjoyed record audiences engaging with the sport. The season to date has enjoyed a cumulative reach of 83.6 million across all the UCI Mountain Bike World Series social media accounts, thanks to a growing audience that now extends to over 755,000 fans across these channels. Enduro and e-enduro content benefitted from the UCI Mountain Bike World Series’ rapidly expanding YouTube audience, which is up over 100% on last year’s subscriber numbers - leading to 1.5 million views of enduro content on our YouTube channel alone. Enduro Highlight Shows are also shown on Global Cycling Network (GCN), GMBN, e-enduro on EMBN as well as on Eurosport.com.

Chris Ball, VP of Cycling Events at Warner Bros. Discovery Sports, said: “It’s fantastic to see the growth of enduro as it enjoys its first season as a UCI World Cup and part of Warner Bros. Discovery where we have been able to leverage our unmatched global scale and storytelling ability to bring the sport to new audiences.

“With the highest ever number of teams in 2023 and more riders out on track, it’s great to see participation in the sport continuing to grow and the level of competition getting even better. There’s never been more ways to watch enduro and we’re excited to see this continue into next year. The 2024 enduro calendar has some great new additions and we’re looking forward to sharing the full race calendar soon.”

The seven round season kicked off in Tasmania, Australia, before heading to France, Italy and Austria and concluded in the mountains of Chatel last weekend, where Richie Rude (Yeti/Fox Factory Racing) and Isabeau Courdurier (Lapierre Zipp Collective) were crowned the overall enduro series champions, whilst Florencia Espineira (Orbea Fox Enduro Team) and Fabien Barel (Canyon CLLCTV) took the e-enduro top honours.  

This season was the first in an eight-year partnership between Warner Bros. Discovery and the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) to advance and elevate mountain biking for a global audience by bringing new innovations to expanded competitions as part of a new era for the sport.

both Enduro and DH UCI series lost our whole household this year...  got heaps of other stuff done, caught up on some results... thats about it...media companies will always find spin to say that their viewership is up, everything is up.. but it isnt, so many seasoned viewers are going, gone. the $$ go with them. While the media company gets some short term subs...when actual people drop off the rot sets in at a lower level, funnily enough where the actual dollars are spent... bye UCI..

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I commented on every UCI enduro post I saw on instagram this year, and that was about 4 comments in total. I had no idea who was even leading half way through which I usually know to the minute. I couldn't care less this year. DH I was a bit more involved in because they bothered to post anything.

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I commented on every UCI enduro post I saw on instagram this year, and that was about 4 comments in total. I had no idea who...

I commented on every UCI enduro post I saw on instagram this year, and that was about 4 comments in total. I had no idea who was even leading half way through which I usually know to the minute. I couldn't care less this year. DH I was a bit more involved in because they bothered to post anything.

They posted a bunch of feed posts for each round, and Stories on race days. 

Not being able to see those posts in your feed is a result of social media algorithms. If you go to their account/profile you can see all the clips they've been posting through the year. Spoiler alert: it's more than 4.

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both Enduro and DH UCI series lost our whole household this year...  got heaps of other stuff done, caught up on some results... thats about it...media...

both Enduro and DH UCI series lost our whole household this year...  got heaps of other stuff done, caught up on some results... thats about it...media companies will always find spin to say that their viewership is up, everything is up.. but it isnt, so many seasoned viewers are going, gone. the $$ go with them. While the media company gets some short term subs...when actual people drop off the rot sets in at a lower level, funnily enough where the actual dollars are spent... bye UCI..

Why though? Protest? The coverage has been better than Red bull's coverage at most venues. Missing Rob for sure, but there have been more cameras and more top to bottom full runs on screen and some amazing racing too, with big drama and lots of winners? A more exciting and interesting season than 2022 or 21 IMHO. So why not tune in?

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Why though? Protest? The coverage has been better than Red bull's coverage at most venues. Missing Rob for sure, but there have been more cameras and...

Why though? Protest? The coverage has been better than Red bull's coverage at most venues. Missing Rob for sure, but there have been more cameras and more top to bottom full runs on screen and some amazing racing too, with big drama and lots of winners? A more exciting and interesting season than 2022 or 21 IMHO. So why not tune in?

It's not a protest it's just the logistics of watching a now convuluted event with semi and final times for both men and women compared to before where you could set a reminder on red bull , turn up to your lounge room and watch... it was simple, quality and free..I'm definitely not a fan of the qualify then have a race that qualifies for another race. . P.s I'm not the only one. DH is dead to me , most things eventually get UCI'd if long enough 😁🤦‍♂️🤔

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sspomer wrote:
email from mtb world series about enduro views/reach ---------------------------------- UCI Enduro World Cup enjoys record views and rider attendance  More teams, riders & views than ever...

email from mtb world series about enduro views/reach

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UCI Enduro World Cup enjoys record views and rider attendance 

More teams, riders & views than ever before

● 4,000 entries across 55 nationalities during the season
● Cumulative reach of 83.6m across UCI MTB World Series social media platforms
● 1.5m views of Enduro content on dedicated YouTube channel with subscribers doubling

As the dust settles on the first season of the UCI Enduro World Cup, Warner Bros. Discovery Sports is pleased to announce coverage of the sport reached more people than ever before.

The 2023 UCI Enduro and E-Enduro World Cup attracted more teams than ever, with no less than 46 professional teams competing, which translated to a total of nearly 2,000 individual entries across the year. Open racing was also on offer at six of the seven rounds, equating to nearly 2,000 amateur entries - giving a total of close to 4,000 entries from a record 55 nationalities racing enduro this season. 

The format also enjoyed record audiences engaging with the sport. The season to date has enjoyed a cumulative reach of 83.6 million across all the UCI Mountain Bike World Series social media accounts, thanks to a growing audience that now extends to over 755,000 fans across these channels. Enduro and e-enduro content benefitted from the UCI Mountain Bike World Series’ rapidly expanding YouTube audience, which is up over 100% on last year’s subscriber numbers - leading to 1.5 million views of enduro content on our YouTube channel alone. Enduro Highlight Shows are also shown on Global Cycling Network (GCN), GMBN, e-enduro on EMBN as well as on Eurosport.com.

Chris Ball, VP of Cycling Events at Warner Bros. Discovery Sports, said: “It’s fantastic to see the growth of enduro as it enjoys its first season as a UCI World Cup and part of Warner Bros. Discovery where we have been able to leverage our unmatched global scale and storytelling ability to bring the sport to new audiences.

“With the highest ever number of teams in 2023 and more riders out on track, it’s great to see participation in the sport continuing to grow and the level of competition getting even better. There’s never been more ways to watch enduro and we’re excited to see this continue into next year. The 2024 enduro calendar has some great new additions and we’re looking forward to sharing the full race calendar soon.”

The seven round season kicked off in Tasmania, Australia, before heading to France, Italy and Austria and concluded in the mountains of Chatel last weekend, where Richie Rude (Yeti/Fox Factory Racing) and Isabeau Courdurier (Lapierre Zipp Collective) were crowned the overall enduro series champions, whilst Florencia Espineira (Orbea Fox Enduro Team) and Fabien Barel (Canyon CLLCTV) took the e-enduro top honours.  

This season was the first in an eight-year partnership between Warner Bros. Discovery and the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) to advance and elevate mountain biking for a global audience by bringing new innovations to expanded competitions as part of a new era for the sport.

The fact that they need to emphasize (and let's be real: probably embellish) the data this much, tells you more than the actual data.

They are going under and they know it.

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It's not a protest it's just the logistics of watching a now convuluted event with semi and final times for both men and women compared to...

It's not a protest it's just the logistics of watching a now convuluted event with semi and final times for both men and women compared to before where you could set a reminder on red bull , turn up to your lounge room and watch... it was simple, quality and free..I'm definitely not a fan of the qualify then have a race that qualifies for another race. . P.s I'm not the only one. DH is dead to me , most things eventually get UCI'd if long enough 😁🤦‍♂️🤔

That makes no sense. You can still set a reminder to go and watch finals (which you now see more of the runs/track). The live show lasts about as long as it used too on RB

 

You've no obligation to watch semis and it's on YouTube anyways. Not on GCN. 

 

Seems a lot of people are blow in fans who actually came for free entertainment? 

 

As per your last point uci are now less involved than before not more. Seems you are just making a scenario up in your head that doesn't exist in reality?

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Mr.Nally wrote:
That makes no sense. You can still set a reminder to go and watch finals (which you now see more of the runs/track). The live show...

That makes no sense. You can still set a reminder to go and watch finals (which you now see more of the runs/track). The live show lasts about as long as it used too on RB

 

You've no obligation to watch semis and it's on YouTube anyways. Not on GCN. 

 

Seems a lot of people are blow in fans who actually came for free entertainment? 

 

As per your last point uci are now less involved than before not more. Seems you are just making a scenario up in your head that doesn't exist in reality?

Geez what is wrong with kids these days youve got to try and convert me to your fairy land. My opinion and actual facts (that I care less about DH this year than in past)are just that. I don't care for the changes, why do I have to get on board with them I don't like it, happy to admit it. Getting heaps more shit done. But somehow I've just got to watch it cause .. 'your reply'.. thuck off. I'm not. Live with it you UCI/GMBN bunny boy ......

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both Enduro and DH UCI series lost our whole household this year...  got heaps of other stuff done, caught up on some results... thats about it...media...

both Enduro and DH UCI series lost our whole household this year...  got heaps of other stuff done, caught up on some results... thats about it...media companies will always find spin to say that their viewership is up, everything is up.. but it isnt, so many seasoned viewers are going, gone. the $$ go with them. While the media company gets some short term subs...when actual people drop off the rot sets in at a lower level, funnily enough where the actual dollars are spent... bye UCI..

Mr.Nally wrote:
Why though? Protest? The coverage has been better than Red bull's coverage at most venues. Missing Rob for sure, but there have been more cameras and...

Why though? Protest? The coverage has been better than Red bull's coverage at most venues. Missing Rob for sure, but there have been more cameras and more top to bottom full runs on screen and some amazing racing too, with big drama and lots of winners? A more exciting and interesting season than 2022 or 21 IMHO. So why not tune in?

While the racing has been amazing, the coverage has not been better. The coverage has been worse. More cameras does not necessarily mean better coverage--the drones are not a positive addition, and camera placement and operation has been less optimized than those heady RedBull days--and the commentary contributes less information and narrative to the event. It's a downgrade, and we're supposed to pay for it. 

I think what funktekk wrote above about the TdF makes a lot of sense. Perhaps mountain biking just got caught in the middle of a deal that has nothing to do with it... Disco/WillyBilly don't care about mountain biking at all. 

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While the racing has been amazing, the coverage has not been better. The coverage has been worse. More cameras does not necessarily mean better coverage--the drones...

While the racing has been amazing, the coverage has not been better. The coverage has been worse. More cameras does not necessarily mean better coverage--the drones are not a positive addition, and camera placement and operation has been less optimized than those heady RedBull days--and the commentary contributes less information and narrative to the event. It's a downgrade, and we're supposed to pay for it. 

I think what funktekk wrote above about the TdF makes a lot of sense. Perhaps mountain biking just got caught in the middle of a deal that has nothing to do with it... Disco/WillyBilly don't care about mountain biking at all. 

I don't entirely disagree with what you're saying but I'm pretty sure the camera guys are still the same camera guys from the RedBull days? Pic from 2023 world champs.IMG 2895 0

Edit: Note the high quality equipment all that WB cash has been spent on 🥲

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9/27/2023 10:23pm

You may or may not be right, but world champs is filmed/broadcast separately from world cups. Different teams and rights.

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You may or may not be right, but world champs is filmed/broadcast separately from world cups. Different teams and rights.

Correct, Eurovision Sport, a division of the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), is the host broadcaster who distributes the UCI World Championships in Europe while IMG distributes for the rest of the world.

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I know that the broadcasting rights are different for champs but I’m sure even back to the red bull days the actual camera guys and equipment that were there on the ground were sub contracted out to another production company?

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If someone told me that the cycle of DH coverage would go from pre-recorded "live" broadcasts of DH around the world by the Outdoor Life Network (OLN) then transition to MTV as we pushed into X-Games territory, then both...then nuked into oblivion & abandoned after the ripple effects of 9/11 then cobbled together via FreeCaster (can VitalMTB do the next podcast interview with the founder of it?) then grew thanks to clips of Warner going ape shlt to be bought and amplified by RedBull all while RedBull was being persecuted for crippling freeriders in the desert to now being an international commodity gobbled up by an international media company to be bundled with moped racing into a pay by the month online sports package with bad commentary and a garbage format....

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If someone told me that the cycle of DH coverage would go from pre-recorded "live" broadcasts of DH around the world by the Outdoor Life Network...

If someone told me that the cycle of DH coverage would go from pre-recorded "live" broadcasts of DH around the world by the Outdoor Life Network (OLN) then transition to MTV as we pushed into X-Games territory, then both...then nuked into oblivion & abandoned after the ripple effects of 9/11 then cobbled together via FreeCaster (can VitalMTB do the next podcast interview with the founder of it?) then grew thanks to clips of Warner going ape shlt to be bought and amplified by RedBull all while RedBull was being persecuted for crippling freeriders in the desert to now being an international commodity gobbled up by an international media company to be bundled with moped racing into a pay by the month online sports package with bad commentary and a garbage format....

Shoot man, I ran out of breath just reading that!

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putting this here b/c seems most appropriate. word on the street is that at MSA the elite team managers met w/ WBD and everyone attending had to sign an NDA before leaving. so it'd appear there is info about 2024, but only elite teams know and there could be legal action if it's shared. #mountainbikeracing

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putting this here b/c seems most appropriate. word on the street is that at MSA the elite team managers met w/ WBD and everyone attending had...

putting this here b/c seems most appropriate. word on the street is that at MSA the elite team managers met w/ WBD and everyone attending had to sign an NDA before leaving. so it'd appear there is info about 2024, but only elite teams know and there could be legal action if it's shared. #mountainbikeracing

Hopefully they bin the stupid semi.. final. Format. 🤔😔 it's a 💩🥪

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