Think that's just the angle. The current spire seatpost area doesn't look far off from that at all. Link, chainstays, shockmount/bb area all look pretty prototype...
Think that's just the angle. The current spire seatpost area doesn't look far off from that at all. Link, chainstays, shockmount/bb area all look pretty prototype while a lot of the rest of the frame looks pretty similar to the current frame.
Definitely Transitions hardware but others use the same and Transition makes it easy to order.
If the rumors of a upcoming sentinel release are true the spire/patrol I believe are the next models due an update. Not that transition needs to update them honestly. But what are they supposed to do just push the same bikes till someone invents something interesting again?
Seat tube insertion looks super super short but yeah maybe it is the angle? Definitely transition though. The current sentinel looks like you could run a seat tube to damn near the bottom bracket, so unless the angle of this pic is doing all sorts of weird stuff I feel like it would be a big step backwards.
The word on the streets is frame storage for the new bikes so it's either only for carbon ones or its a new tr11.
The one thing that makes me think it isnt a tr11 is the tapered head tube. The tr11 now is a straight 56 56 and they use their own reach adjust headset. I doubt they would move away from that for a new downhill bike but for the spire a tapered head tube makes more sense than it does for a dh bike.
Also the current tr11 has the cable port in the front of the head tube. Judging by that pic it has cable ports on both sides of the frame. Possibly for dropper post routing also making me think new spire or possibly patrol. I cant tell if thats a 29 or 27.5 rear
Also the current tr11 has the cable port in the front of the head tube. Judging by that pic it has cable ports on both sides...
Also the current tr11 has the cable port in the front of the head tube. Judging by that pic it has cable ports on both sides of the frame. Possibly for dropper post routing also making me think new spire or possibly patrol. I cant tell if thats a 29 or 27.5 rear
Cable ports may be for those in countries who run their brakes on opposite sides without mangling the cable to make it fit the standard routing.
That has already happened. Scott and Transition went 4 bar to name two (there are others I can't remember right now) while YT and Canyon expanded...
That has already happened. Scott and Transition went 4 bar to name two (there are others I can't remember right now) while YT and Canyon expanded into the North American market after the patent ran out.
On the suspension acronym/patent issue, curious for thoughts of people on the front lines of the industry dealing with customers. My perception may be clouded by...
On the suspension acronym/patent issue, curious for thoughts of people on the front lines of the industry dealing with customers. My perception may be clouded by the evolution of my personal knowledge, but it seems to me that
- the consumers swayed by things like "VPP" have moved on to being swayed by electronic shifting and suspension gadgets and other similar things,
- more educated consumers are mainly looking at curves as they are now widely available and a good chunk of us have some idea what they mean,
- the layout/type of suspension is more a matter of bike nerdery than something that impacts an informed buying decision (other than maybe the stress the layout puts on the shock).
Am I way off base on this? Do people still care whether a frame is VPP or not?
I agree with this. Spent 4 years on DW link from Turner, Ripmo V1 and V2. Then 3 years on horst links from Transition, Norco, and Specialized. (with single pivot from a Nukeproof Giga thrown in there) I did instantly feel the "magic" of VPP pedaling my Santa around on pavement after I built it, but if say SC made the leverage curve much more linear like Spesh did with the SJ 15 I'm out. I scroll linkagedesign.blogspot.com in the same way I scroll Vital or the other site. Moderate interest in electronic shocks but very happy letting engineering and physics do the "thinking" atm. Shoutout to @CascadeComponents for making my Patrol an amazing park bike and saving my SJ Evo (WRP saved that one too).
No labels and zipped tied rear hose, can anyone name this frame? update, Just had a better look at home, rocker pivot says transition
No labels and zipped tied rear hose, can anyone name this frame?
update, Just had a better look at home, rocker pivot says transition
Hoping it's a 180mm freeride/park bike like I've bastardized my Patrol into! It being trunion maybe points to that? The current TR11 is not trunion and the consensus seems to be trunion is just for the packaging being able to fit a water bottle, I'm convinced 170/180mm rear dual crown bikes are the future for rental fleets those of us who don't race DH. Transition totally deserves to be contending with the alliteration of the Status 170 DH, Spindrift, Slayer, and Shore.
On the suspension acronym/patent issue, curious for thoughts of people on the front lines of the industry dealing with customers. My perception may be clouded by...
On the suspension acronym/patent issue, curious for thoughts of people on the front lines of the industry dealing with customers. My perception may be clouded by the evolution of my personal knowledge, but it seems to me that
- the consumers swayed by things like "VPP" have moved on to being swayed by electronic shifting and suspension gadgets and other similar things,
- more educated consumers are mainly looking at curves as they are now widely available and a good chunk of us have some idea what they mean,
- the layout/type of suspension is more a matter of bike nerdery than something that impacts an informed buying decision (other than maybe the stress the layout puts on the shock).
Am I way off base on this? Do people still care whether a frame is VPP or not?
I agree with this. Spent 4 years on DW link from Turner, Ripmo V1 and V2. Then 3 years on horst links from Transition, Norco, and...
I agree with this. Spent 4 years on DW link from Turner, Ripmo V1 and V2. Then 3 years on horst links from Transition, Norco, and Specialized. (with single pivot from a Nukeproof Giga thrown in there) I did instantly feel the "magic" of VPP pedaling my Santa around on pavement after I built it, but if say SC made the leverage curve much more linear like Spesh did with the SJ 15 I'm out. I scroll linkagedesign.blogspot.com in the same way I scroll Vital or the other site. Moderate interest in electronic shocks but very happy letting engineering and physics do the "thinking" atm. Shoutout to @CascadeComponents for making my Patrol an amazing park bike and saving my SJ Evo (WRP saved that one too).
VPP magic pedalling it around? V2 Hightowers I see in my riding group all bob like crazy and everybody switches the shock platform on when it's time to go up. Or did you mean something else by magic?
Regarding the Transition (if it looks like a duck...), the seattube is hella bent and low insertion length, unlike what the Sentinel has:
Yeah, I thought they had the exclusive license to use kashima in mountain bike suspension. I didn't realize that they had done it before but reading...
Yeah, I thought they had the exclusive license to use kashima in mountain bike suspension. I didn't realize that they had done it before but reading a bit into it it wasn't a very durable coating?
Kashima incorporates tungsten disulfide as a lubrication agent, which keeps its lubricity at high loads. Many high end chain waxes now contain tungsten disulfide because it has good lubrication properties and ia durable. Pro teams on the road tour use this to save watts and during covid used to save chains, as less friction is less wear.
On the suspension acronym/patent issue, curious for thoughts of people on the front lines of the industry dealing with customers. My perception may be clouded by...
On the suspension acronym/patent issue, curious for thoughts of people on the front lines of the industry dealing with customers. My perception may be clouded by the evolution of my personal knowledge, but it seems to me that
- the consumers swayed by things like "VPP" have moved on to being swayed by electronic shifting and suspension gadgets and other similar things,
- more educated consumers are mainly looking at curves as they are now widely available and a good chunk of us have some idea what they mean,
- the layout/type of suspension is more a matter of bike nerdery than something that impacts an informed buying decision (other than maybe the stress the layout puts on the shock).
Am I way off base on this? Do people still care whether a frame is VPP or not?
I agree with this. Spent 4 years on DW link from Turner, Ripmo V1 and V2. Then 3 years on horst links from Transition, Norco, and...
I agree with this. Spent 4 years on DW link from Turner, Ripmo V1 and V2. Then 3 years on horst links from Transition, Norco, and Specialized. (with single pivot from a Nukeproof Giga thrown in there) I did instantly feel the "magic" of VPP pedaling my Santa around on pavement after I built it, but if say SC made the leverage curve much more linear like Spesh did with the SJ 15 I'm out. I scroll linkagedesign.blogspot.com in the same way I scroll Vital or the other site. Moderate interest in electronic shocks but very happy letting engineering and physics do the "thinking" atm. Shoutout to @CascadeComponents for making my Patrol an amazing park bike and saving my SJ Evo (WRP saved that one too).
VPP magic pedalling it around? V2 Hightowers I see in my riding group all bob like crazy and everybody switches the shock platform on when it's...
VPP magic pedalling it around? V2 Hightowers I see in my riding group all bob like crazy and everybody switches the shock platform on when it's time to go up. Or did you mean something else by magic?
Regarding the Transition (if it looks like a duck...), the seattube is hella bent and low insertion length, unlike what the Sentinel has:
No modern bike with anti-squat at or around 100% should be bobbing like crazy if the shock has the right pressure/spring rate. Imo, VPP does feel more active but in terms of ground input not from my pedaling force or weight. It's better than my horst bikes on very techy climbs. Every bike I listed in the original comment has climbed great and has not warranted use of a climb switch.
Doesn't SRAM/RS own the patent for putting sag markings on stanchions?
They do. Formula got creative and put a frequency/ekg graphic on their shock that just so happened to correspond to sag numbers. Surprised others haven’t done some creative workaround.
That has already happened. Scott and Transition went 4 bar to name two (there are others I can't remember right now) while YT and Canyon expanded...
That has already happened. Scott and Transition went 4 bar to name two (there are others I can't remember right now) while YT and Canyon expanded into the North American market after the patent ran out.
On the suspension acronym/patent issue, curious for thoughts of people on the front lines of the industry dealing with customers. My perception may be clouded by...
On the suspension acronym/patent issue, curious for thoughts of people on the front lines of the industry dealing with customers. My perception may be clouded by the evolution of my personal knowledge, but it seems to me that
- the consumers swayed by things like "VPP" have moved on to being swayed by electronic shifting and suspension gadgets and other similar things,
- more educated consumers are mainly looking at curves as they are now widely available and a good chunk of us have some idea what they mean,
- the layout/type of suspension is more a matter of bike nerdery than something that impacts an informed buying decision (other than maybe the stress the layout puts on the shock).
Am I way off base on this? Do people still care whether a frame is VPP or not?
Redigging this up because I know some companies lurk here and in a way, comprehensive messages may be influential. A point I want to stress is how boring 50% of the market is. Its 4 Bar bikes. As someone else stated, its easy to make 4 bar bikes and easier to make them mediocre. It sure seems like a lot of companies copy and paste the same 4 bar design over and over and say its the second coming of Jesus. I give credit to Specialized that for a little I had their frames. They had SWAT. No one else had this. Now its more common and 4 bar frame storage bikes are going to be the norm. I guess my point is, if youre going to do 4 bar, do something unique with your frame to stand out from other 4 bar copy and pastes your competing against. Rant over. Sorry guys.
Hoping it's a 180mm freeride/park bike like I've bastardized my Patrol into! It being trunion maybe points to that? The current TR11 is not trunion and...
Hoping it's a 180mm freeride/park bike like I've bastardized my Patrol into! It being trunion maybe points to that? The current TR11 is not trunion and the consensus seems to be trunion is just for the packaging being able to fit a water bottle, I'm convinced 170/180mm rear dual crown bikes are the future for rental fleets those of us who don't race DH. Transition totally deserves to be contending with the alliteration of the Status 170 DH, Spindrift, Slayer, and Shore.
Bring back the Bottlerocket and give it a little more travel. I think that namesake deserves a return at some point. I know I LOVED mine. Such a fun and versatile bike. But apparently for it to be that style of bike, it has to start with the letter 'S'?
Wow 1 whole mm difference in chainstay length between the size S and M! Imagine how much cheaper the bike could be with only 2 or 3 carbon moulds for the chainstays instead of 5. We've reached peak "size specific chainstays" marketing hype.
Redigging this up because I know some companies lurk here and in a way, comprehensive messages may be influential. A point I want to stress is...
Redigging this up because I know some companies lurk here and in a way, comprehensive messages may be influential. A point I want to stress is how boring 50% of the market is. Its 4 Bar bikes. As someone else stated, its easy to make 4 bar bikes and easier to make them mediocre. It sure seems like a lot of companies copy and paste the same 4 bar design over and over and say its the second coming of Jesus. I give credit to Specialized that for a little I had their frames. They had SWAT. No one else had this. Now its more common and 4 bar frame storage bikes are going to be the norm. I guess my point is, if youre going to do 4 bar, do something unique with your frame to stand out from other 4 bar copy and pastes your competing against. Rant over. Sorry guys.
Interesting take- I'm kinda the opposite. I like seeing the convergence of designs and features. At this point companies have to sweat the details and provide superior value to get business.
I want a reliable, good value that does what it's supposed to do... Don't care if the bike is different or rare.
Interesting take- I'm kinda the opposite. I like seeing the convergence of designs and features. At this point companies have to sweat the details and provide...
Interesting take- I'm kinda the opposite. I like seeing the convergence of designs and features. At this point companies have to sweat the details and provide superior value to get business.
I want a reliable, good value that does what it's supposed to do... Don't care if the bike is different or rare.
Gonna agree with this, give me "boring" but good geo and kinematics and looks, but give me decent value and warranty. Obviously this would apply to a lot of the main brands, plenty of smaller players can do the niche stuff...
Wow 1 whole mm difference in chainstay length between the size S and M! Imagine how much cheaper the bike could be with only 2 or...
Wow 1 whole mm difference in chainstay length between the size S and M! Imagine how much cheaper the bike could be with only 2 or 3 carbon moulds for the chainstays instead of 5. We've reached peak "size specific chainstays" marketing hype.
I think only the main Pivot has diffrent Position. So you only need one chainstay length
Seat tube insertion looks super super short but yeah maybe it is the angle? Definitely transition though. The current sentinel looks like you could run a seat tube to damn near the bottom bracket, so unless the angle of this pic is doing all sorts of weird stuff I feel like it would be a big step backwards.
The word on the streets is frame storage for the new bikes so it's either only for carbon ones or its a new tr11.
At least they are getting rid of the "loam pool"
The one thing that makes me think it isnt a tr11 is the tapered head tube. The tr11 now is a straight 56 56 and they use their own reach adjust headset. I doubt they would move away from that for a new downhill bike but for the spire a tapered head tube makes more sense than it does for a dh bike.
Also the current tr11 has the cable port in the front of the head tube. Judging by that pic it has cable ports on both sides of the frame. Possibly for dropper post routing also making me think new spire or possibly patrol. I cant tell if thats a 29 or 27.5 rear
Wonder if those dropouts will come in different lengths...?
Cable ports may be for those in countries who run their brakes on opposite sides without mangling the cable to make it fit the standard routing.
I agree with this. Spent 4 years on DW link from Turner, Ripmo V1 and V2. Then 3 years on horst links from Transition, Norco, and Specialized. (with single pivot from a Nukeproof Giga thrown in there) I did instantly feel the "magic" of VPP pedaling my Santa around on pavement after I built it, but if say SC made the leverage curve much more linear like Spesh did with the SJ 15 I'm out. I scroll linkagedesign.blogspot.com in the same way I scroll Vital or the other site. Moderate interest in electronic shocks but very happy letting engineering and physics do the "thinking" atm. Shoutout to @CascadeComponents for making my Patrol an amazing park bike and saving my SJ Evo (WRP saved that one too).
Hoping it's a 180mm freeride/park bike like I've bastardized my Patrol into! It being trunion maybe points to that? The current TR11 is not trunion and the consensus seems to be trunion is just for the packaging being able to fit a water bottle, I'm convinced 170/180mm rear dual crown bikes are the future for rental fleets those of us who don't race DH. Transition totally deserves to be contending with the alliteration of the Status 170 DH, Spindrift, Slayer, and Shore.
VPP magic pedalling it around? V2 Hightowers I see in my riding group all bob like crazy and everybody switches the shock platform on when it's time to go up. Or did you mean something else by magic?
Regarding the Transition (if it looks like a duck...), the seattube is hella bent and low insertion length, unlike what the Sentinel has:
Kashima incorporates tungsten disulfide as a lubrication agent, which keeps its lubricity at high loads. Many high end chain waxes now contain tungsten disulfide because it has good lubrication properties and ia durable. Pro teams on the road tour use this to save watts and during covid used to save chains, as less friction is less wear.
Molybdenum disulfide.
Gesundheit.
that would be Molybdändisulfid then
You can also see the reflection of the reverb axs with the battery on the collar in the car
This guy right here, looking at reflections, is why I keep coming to this post :D
I stand corrected. Almost as good as Tungsten Disulfide,then. Same type of lubrication
No modern bike with anti-squat at or around 100% should be bobbing like crazy if the shock has the right pressure/spring rate. Imo, VPP does feel more active but in terms of ground input not from my pedaling force or weight. It's better than my horst bikes on very techy climbs. Every bike I listed in the original comment has climbed great and has not warranted use of a climb switch.
These knobs give me Manitou vibes
Doesn't SRAM/RS own the patent for putting sag markings on stanchions?
They do. Formula got creative and put a frequency/ekg graphic on their shock that just so happened to correspond to sag numbers. Surprised others haven’t done some creative workaround.
Bosch with a bunch of improvements to their CX Performance line: https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/power-meets-control-bosch-a….
Redigging this up because I know some companies lurk here and in a way, comprehensive messages may be influential. A point I want to stress is how boring 50% of the market is. Its 4 Bar bikes. As someone else stated, its easy to make 4 bar bikes and easier to make them mediocre. It sure seems like a lot of companies copy and paste the same 4 bar design over and over and say its the second coming of Jesus. I give credit to Specialized that for a little I had their frames. They had SWAT. No one else had this. Now its more common and 4 bar frame storage bikes are going to be the norm. I guess my point is, if youre going to do 4 bar, do something unique with your frame to stand out from other 4 bar copy and pastes your competing against. Rant over. Sorry guys.
Norco soft-launching their new VLT CX (with the new Bosch motor just announced today): https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/new-norco-sight-vlt-cx-drop….
Bring back the Bottlerocket and give it a little more travel. I think that namesake deserves a return at some point. I know I LOVED mine. Such a fun and versatile bike. But apparently for it to be that style of bike, it has to start with the letter 'S'?
evo leaked the geo for the vala!
https://www.evo.com/santa-cruz-vala-mountain-bike-size-chart
2025 Trek Rail+
160/160 MX
Bike still not up on website, I guess it'll drop at 12PM EST ?
Wow 1 whole mm difference in chainstay length between the size S and M! Imagine how much cheaper the bike could be with only 2 or 3 carbon moulds for the chainstays instead of 5. We've reached peak "size specific chainstays" marketing hype.
Interesting take- I'm kinda the opposite. I like seeing the convergence of designs and features. At this point companies have to sweat the details and provide superior value to get business.
I want a reliable, good value that does what it's supposed to do... Don't care if the bike is different or rare.
Gonna agree with this, give me "boring" but good geo and kinematics and looks, but give me decent value and warranty. Obviously this would apply to a lot of the main brands, plenty of smaller players can do the niche stuff...
Good eye. I got excited about the shock and cropped the dropper… amateur hour. Here’s the full photo with the dropper
I think only the main Pivot has diffrent Position. So you only need one chainstay length
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