They're practically begging for photos riding that thing in custom paint with sponsors on, and in those pants. I'm surprised they don't have a new bike flag attached somewhere
Seeing the new Gambler out in the open made me contemplate company strategies; Curious that they don’t put it to the test at the World Cup first.
It’s definitely been a trend lately to have your prototyping done at the highest level. Norco/Specialized/Intense for example. Other companies do their prototyping and testing in the off-season.
I don’t get pumped on spy photos like I used to (building hype) but I wonder what strategy is better for their bottom line/sales?
Seeing the new Gambler out in the open made me contemplate company strategies; Curious that they don’t put it to the test at the World Cup...
Seeing the new Gambler out in the open made me contemplate company strategies; Curious that they don’t put it to the test at the World Cup first.
It’s definitely been a trend lately to have your prototyping done at the highest level. Norco/Specialized/Intense for example. Other companies do their prototyping and testing in the off-season.
I don’t get pumped on spy photos like I used to (building hype) but I wonder what strategy is better for their bottom line/sales?
I feel like companies being super-competitive and hyper focused on racing is always cyclical. They hire the best riders and go for titles for a bit, then they pump the brakes and rest on their laurels so to speak. Time goes by and they hire some new top tier riders and go all out again. Given the current market, I'm honestly amazed that there hasn't been more upheaval with riders and teams.
New Decoy "SN" (with Fazua 60Nm motor / 430wh battery) is already live on YT website
New Decoy "SN" (with Fazua 60Nm motor / 430wh battery) is already live on YT website
Integrated battery with no sign of the Fazua range extender in sight. 45lbs for a size small so range extender just makes it a full fat eeeb without a spot for a water bottle. Looks like I'll be getting a Transition Relay. Saw 2 more of them at the bike park yesterday. (a Monday) Maybe I'll just keep my Stumpy Evo and suffer...
Not a rumor but confirmed by the man himself, Troy Lee mentioned he's working on the D5 on his appearance for the Gypsy Tales podcast.
In other helmet rumors, did anyone hear why everyone affiliated with Alpinestars is on the SM10? Need a helmet after my brand new Dissident II carbon shell was cracked from a less than hip height fall from my bar, I'd hoped it was one of the safer offerings out there but no longer convinced.
They're practically begging for photos riding that thing in custom paint with sponsors on, and in those pants. I'm surprised they don't have a new bike...
They're practically begging for photos riding that thing in custom paint with sponsors on, and in those pants. I'm surprised they don't have a new bike flag attached somewhere
seriously. those pants definitely are an eye catcher.
Not a rumor but confirmed by the man himself, Troy Lee mentioned he's working on the D5 on his appearance for the Gypsy Tales podcast.
In...
Not a rumor but confirmed by the man himself, Troy Lee mentioned he's working on the D5 on his appearance for the Gypsy Tales podcast.
In other helmet rumors, did anyone hear why everyone affiliated with Alpinestars is on the SM10? Need a helmet after my brand new Dissident II carbon shell was cracked from a less than hip height fall from my bar, I'd hoped it was one of the safer offerings out there but no longer convinced.
If safety is your top priority, then I’d take a look at 6D. It sounds like they have something new coming out on the moto side in the next couple of weeks, so maybe some new MTB stuff will follow? It is curious that all the Astars guys are using the moto helmet. Giving Astars the benefit of the doubt, maybe it’s a decision based on World Cup average track speeds being really high these days.
Not a rumor but confirmed by the man himself, Troy Lee mentioned he's working on the D5 on his appearance for the Gypsy Tales podcast.
In...
Not a rumor but confirmed by the man himself, Troy Lee mentioned he's working on the D5 on his appearance for the Gypsy Tales podcast.
In other helmet rumors, did anyone hear why everyone affiliated with Alpinestars is on the SM10? Need a helmet after my brand new Dissident II carbon shell was cracked from a less than hip height fall from my bar, I'd hoped it was one of the safer offerings out there but no longer convinced.
They redesigned their M10 this year so maybe just rather have the guys in the latest and greatest. Their DH Missle helmet hasn't changed in years, for a while it wasn't even for sale but looks like they have some new colors and such now.
Ive held and worn almost all the DH helmets and the FOX RPC blows them all away with fit and how strong and stiff it is. I took a huge hit in my last one and no concussion and it only cracked in one about dime sized area. The RPC feels like a slightly smaller slightly lighter moto helmet where some of the other brands feel like a beefed up enduro full face.
That being said I prefer TLD for moto helmets their SE5 with the MIPS integra is awesome.
Seeing the new Gambler out in the open made me contemplate company strategies; Curious that they don’t put it to the test at the World Cup...
Seeing the new Gambler out in the open made me contemplate company strategies; Curious that they don’t put it to the test at the World Cup first.
It’s definitely been a trend lately to have your prototyping done at the highest level. Norco/Specialized/Intense for example. Other companies do their prototyping and testing in the off-season.
I don’t get pumped on spy photos like I used to (building hype) but I wonder what strategy is better for their bottom line/sales?
I feel like companies being super-competitive and hyper focused on racing is always cyclical. They hire the best riders and go for titles for a bit...
I feel like companies being super-competitive and hyper focused on racing is always cyclical. They hire the best riders and go for titles for a bit, then they pump the brakes and rest on their laurels so to speak. Time goes by and they hire some new top tier riders and go all out again. Given the current market, I'm honestly amazed that there hasn't been more upheaval with riders and teams.
Sounds like factory teams in Le Mans over the years. Manufacturers come in after a rule change, spend big bucks (yearly budgets were passing 200 million a year for Audi and Porsche around 2016), sooner or later someone starts dominating and the rest pull the plug. Only to be left with one factory team vs. a bunch of privateers. And then the cycle repeats.
Private teams are the backbone of racing overall as their sole business is racing, it's not just a marketing expense at the whim of boards of directors, budget cuts and overall financial outlook of the world.
Integrated battery with no sign of the Fazua range extender in sight. 45lbs for a size small so range extender just makes it a full fat...
Integrated battery with no sign of the Fazua range extender in sight. 45lbs for a size small so range extender just makes it a full fat eeeb without a spot for a water bottle. Looks like I'll be getting a Transition Relay. Saw 2 more of them at the bike park yesterday. (a Monday) Maybe I'll just keep my Stumpy Evo and suffer...
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an E-bike above 45 lbs as a lightweight is a crazy amount of kool-aid from marketing. Keep it around 40 lbs or lower. There are full power, long travel options out there only 3-5 lbs heavier.
Integrated battery with no sign of the Fazua range extender in sight. 45lbs for a size small so range extender just makes it a full fat...
Integrated battery with no sign of the Fazua range extender in sight. 45lbs for a size small so range extender just makes it a full fat eeeb without a spot for a water bottle. Looks like I'll be getting a Transition Relay. Saw 2 more of them at the bike park yesterday. (a Monday) Maybe I'll just keep my Stumpy Evo and suffer...
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an...
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an E-bike above 45 lbs as a lightweight is a crazy amount of kool-aid from marketing. Keep it around 40 lbs or lower. There are full power, long travel options out there only 3-5 lbs heavier.
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an...
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an E-bike above 45 lbs as a lightweight is a crazy amount of kool-aid from marketing. Keep it around 40 lbs or lower. There are full power, long travel options out there only 3-5 lbs heavier.
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they built it to be burly enough for heavy-duty riding, and they went with a mid-power system to keep the weight down, that's all. That said, it will be interesting to see how quickly the market now arrives at traditional full-power levels from lighter systems than the current full-power ones (the arrival of the DJI motor etc etc)...
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an...
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an E-bike above 45 lbs as a lightweight is a crazy amount of kool-aid from marketing. Keep it around 40 lbs or lower. There are full power, long travel options out there only 3-5 lbs heavier.
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they...
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they built it to be burly enough for heavy-duty riding, and they went with a mid-power system to keep the weight down, that's all. That said, it will be interesting to see how quickly the market now arrives at traditional full-power levels from lighter systems than the current full-power ones (the arrival of the DJI motor etc etc)...
Seems to me tech, particularly batteries/motors, are going to advance a lot quicker than bike development or at least manufacturers' willingness to try new technology. So you have them trying to thread some imginary needle/demand with a bike like the Decoy SN using what's already available.
We had a working pinion w/transmission a year ago. I have to assume bike manufacturers knew about this long before we did yet a year later we don't see it on any widely available, mainstream bikes. I also have to assume with SRAM and Shimano making motors there's some agreement to spec them alongside thier other components, so brands like Pinion will struggle to break through.
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they...
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they built it to be burly enough for heavy-duty riding, and they went with a mid-power system to keep the weight down, that's all. That said, it will be interesting to see how quickly the market now arrives at traditional full-power levels from lighter systems than the current full-power ones (the arrival of the DJI motor etc etc)...
Orbea Wild (top build, lots of $$$ as counterpoint) is 46 pounds with full class leading power, full sized motor and 600ish wh battery. Given its success in the EEWS (or EEWC, or whatever its called now) I would say its "burly enough for heavy duty riding".
I had this argument on the other site before getting my account suspended. Budget low power, or "SL" ebikes, seems to be a losing category business wise. They weigh too much for the assist provided.
I feel like around 42 pounds is the tipping point (unrelated, thats what my DH bike weighed back in the day) where an ebike no longer handles like a natural bike. If you're not going to be close to that 42 pound target, might as well be 50 pounds with the full sized range and power. I've spent a decent time on SL and full powered ebikes, and that experience combined with customers obsession with stat sheets makes me doubt the viability of a 46 pound "SL" ebike.
That's every ebike motor in the UK... worse in the summer when conditions get really wet.
Brose have sniped some hardware updates from Performance Line Bearings (ebike motor centre) in the UK who work wonders with servicing motors. They're the official Brose service centre in the UK and when they showed Brose what upgrades they do on a service, Brose took the motor and said thank you very much and implemented all of the changes themselves.
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an...
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an E-bike above 45 lbs as a lightweight is a crazy amount of kool-aid from marketing. Keep it around 40 lbs or lower. There are full power, long travel options out there only 3-5 lbs heavier.
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they...
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they built it to be burly enough for heavy-duty riding, and they went with a mid-power system to keep the weight down, that's all. That said, it will be interesting to see how quickly the market now arrives at traditional full-power levels from lighter systems than the current full-power ones (the arrival of the DJI motor etc etc)...
Or on the inverse - the Maxon motor on the other site interests me as another lightweight motor option.
Personally, riding a 635wh battery on a Shimano motor, I almost never drop the motor because I am not sitting on boost mode most of the time. Full power eebs do well and don't feel like dead weight in that 48-52 lbs range.
On SL options, 38-42 lbs seems like a good balance point for battery size/power.
Seems like E-bikers want things that are diametrically opposed, with weight being a major factor, especially on full power options; Increase battery size and the bike gets too heavy, make it smaller and range anxiety sets in. Add a battery door and again the bike gets too heavy, but take it away and riders will be upset because they can't hotswap. Build the frame to handle and the extra forces/weight/riding type the bike is meant for and it will get heavy, make your layup thin and you're almost guaranteed to need a warranty the following year.
New Scott gambler testing in morzine today
They're practically begging for photos riding that thing in custom paint with sponsors on, and in those pants. I'm surprised they don't have a new bike flag attached somewhere
Free marketing... Clearly it works.
Seeing the new Gambler out in the open made me contemplate company strategies; Curious that they don’t put it to the test at the World Cup first.
It’s definitely been a trend lately to have your prototyping done at the highest level. Norco/Specialized/Intense for example. Other companies do their prototyping and testing in the off-season.
I don’t get pumped on spy photos like I used to (building hype) but I wonder what strategy is better for their bottom line/sales?
I feel like companies being super-competitive and hyper focused on racing is always cyclical. They hire the best riders and go for titles for a bit, then they pump the brakes and rest on their laurels so to speak. Time goes by and they hire some new top tier riders and go all out again. Given the current market, I'm honestly amazed that there hasn't been more upheaval with riders and teams.
Integrated battery with no sign of the Fazua range extender in sight. 45lbs for a size small so range extender just makes it a full fat eeeb without a spot for a water bottle. Looks like I'll be getting a Transition Relay. Saw 2 more of them at the bike park yesterday. (a Monday) Maybe I'll just keep my Stumpy Evo and suffer...
Our thoughts on the new YT Decoy SN: https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/yt-goes-supernatural-introducing-160m….
Not a rumor but confirmed by the man himself, Troy Lee mentioned he's working on the D5 on his appearance for the Gypsy Tales podcast.
In other helmet rumors, did anyone hear why everyone affiliated with Alpinestars is on the SM10? Need a helmet after my brand new Dissident II carbon shell was cracked from a less than hip height fall from my bar, I'd hoped it was one of the safer offerings out there but no longer convinced.
seriously. those pants definitely are an eye catcher.
6 bar with a hidden shock?
enhance.gif
If safety is your top priority, then I’d take a look at 6D. It sounds like they have something new coming out on the moto side in the next couple of weeks, so maybe some new MTB stuff will follow? It is curious that all the Astars guys are using the moto helmet. Giving Astars the benefit of the doubt, maybe it’s a decision based on World Cup average track speeds being really high these days.
They redesigned their M10 this year so maybe just rather have the guys in the latest and greatest. Their DH Missle helmet hasn't changed in years, for a while it wasn't even for sale but looks like they have some new colors and such now.
Ive held and worn almost all the DH helmets and the FOX RPC blows them all away with fit and how strong and stiff it is. I took a huge hit in my last one and no concussion and it only cracked in one about dime sized area. The RPC feels like a slightly smaller slightly lighter moto helmet where some of the other brands feel like a beefed up enduro full face.
That being said I prefer TLD for moto helmets their SE5 with the MIPS integra is awesome.
Sounds like factory teams in Le Mans over the years. Manufacturers come in after a rule change, spend big bucks (yearly budgets were passing 200 million a year for Audi and Porsche around 2016), sooner or later someone starts dominating and the rest pull the plug. Only to be left with one factory team vs. a bunch of privateers. And then the cycle repeats.
Private teams are the backbone of racing overall as their sole business is racing, it's not just a marketing expense at the whim of boards of directors, budget cuts and overall financial outlook of the world.
Obviously.
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an E-bike above 45 lbs as a lightweight is a crazy amount of kool-aid from marketing. Keep it around 40 lbs or lower. There are full power, long travel options out there only 3-5 lbs heavier.
Decoy SN (Super Not-light)
Looks like Decoy SN has the OEM Conti Enduro SuperSofts out front.
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they built it to be burly enough for heavy-duty riding, and they went with a mid-power system to keep the weight down, that's all. That said, it will be interesting to see how quickly the market now arrives at traditional full-power levels from lighter systems than the current full-power ones (the arrival of the DJI motor etc etc)...
indeed - and it's a pretty good tire! (at least based on my 2 days of testing so far...)
Seems to me tech, particularly batteries/motors, are going to advance a lot quicker than bike development or at least manufacturers' willingness to try new technology. So you have them trying to thread some imginary needle/demand with a bike like the Decoy SN using what's already available.
We had a working pinion w/transmission a year ago. I have to assume bike manufacturers knew about this long before we did yet a year later we don't see it on any widely available, mainstream bikes. I also have to assume with SRAM and Shimano making motors there's some agreement to spec them alongside thier other components, so brands like Pinion will struggle to break through.
Sram aren’t making motors. Brose are supplying Sram.
As good as Sram are at aquiring companies (Sachs, Avid, Rockshox, Zipp etc), I doubt they’ll have the dollar to buy Brose
Brose's ebike business is a rounding error compared to their automotive business.
It's an error from every aspect
Near 100% failing rate .
Orbea Wild (top build, lots of $$$ as counterpoint) is 46 pounds with full class leading power, full sized motor and 600ish wh battery. Given its success in the EEWS (or EEWC, or whatever its called now) I would say its "burly enough for heavy duty riding".
I had this argument on the other site before getting my account suspended. Budget low power, or "SL" ebikes, seems to be a losing category business wise. They weigh too much for the assist provided.
I feel like around 42 pounds is the tipping point (unrelated, thats what my DH bike weighed back in the day) where an ebike no longer handles like a natural bike. If you're not going to be close to that 42 pound target, might as well be 50 pounds with the full sized range and power. I've spent a decent time on SL and full powered ebikes, and that experience combined with customers obsession with stat sheets makes me doubt the viability of a 46 pound "SL" ebike.
That's every ebike motor in the UK... worse in the summer when conditions get really wet.
Brose have sniped some hardware updates from Performance Line Bearings (ebike motor centre) in the UK who work wonders with servicing motors. They're the official Brose service centre in the UK and when they showed Brose what upgrades they do on a service, Brose took the motor and said thank you very much and implemented all of the changes themselves.
Or on the inverse - the Maxon motor on the other site interests me as another lightweight motor option.
Personally, riding a 635wh battery on a Shimano motor, I almost never drop the motor because I am not sitting on boost mode most of the time. Full power eebs do well and don't feel like dead weight in that 48-52 lbs range.
On SL options, 38-42 lbs seems like a good balance point for battery size/power.
Seems like E-bikers want things that are diametrically opposed, with weight being a major factor, especially on full power options; Increase battery size and the bike gets too heavy, make it smaller and range anxiety sets in. Add a battery door and again the bike gets too heavy, but take it away and riders will be upset because they can't hotswap. Build the frame to handle and the extra forces/weight/riding type the bike is meant for and it will get heavy, make your layup thin and you're almost guaranteed to need a warranty the following year.
now i'll wait for a trail chasing with super soft rubber and give them a try in the front
Both of my trail casing has wobble, I would give the trail casing a pass and go for enduro
Post a reply to: MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation