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10/30/2020 3:16pm
Big Bird wrote:
What if that Carbon cover on Bruni's bike covers a weight? Orange played with it. A bit of central mass to help stability? What if that...
What if that Carbon cover on Bruni's bike covers a weight? Orange played with it. A bit of central mass to help stability? What if that weight was on a moving system like that Yeti thing?
Anyone else catch him messing with some kind of lever during his run right before the flat sprint at the end?
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10/30/2020 4:12pm
Yeah I saw that. Probably a wireless lockout on a servo motor or similar.

Great ride by the GOAT
10/30/2020 7:01pm
Big Bird wrote:
What if that Carbon cover on Bruni's bike covers a weight? Orange played with it. A bit of central mass to help stability? What if that...
What if that Carbon cover on Bruni's bike covers a weight? Orange played with it. A bit of central mass to help stability? What if that weight was on a moving system like that Yeti thing?
Anyone else catch him messing with some kind of lever during his run right before the flat sprint at the end?
Pretty sure he just jacked the low speed compression. Was the difference between third and fourth though.
10/30/2020 8:58pm
Big Bird wrote:
What if that Carbon cover on Bruni's bike covers a weight? Orange played with it. A bit of central mass to help stability? What if that...
What if that Carbon cover on Bruni's bike covers a weight? Orange played with it. A bit of central mass to help stability? What if that weight was on a moving system like that Yeti thing?
Anyone else catch him messing with some kind of lever during his run right before the flat sprint at the end?
Pretty sure he just jacked the low speed compression. Was the difference between third and fourth though.
I think he probably had a pedal switch from a rxf fork in there.
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10/30/2020 11:52pm
nskerb wrote:
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it...
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it. Wonder if they got a mold to make the desired CS length without the need for an adapter.
Im curious to know this also, if anything that extra long rear end he usually uses would of been perfect for such a flat top and bottom track surly ?

Maybe he broke the other one and they only ever made him the one not expecting a failure


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10/31/2020 12:31am
nskerb wrote:
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it...
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it. Wonder if they got a mold to make the desired CS length without the need for an adapter.
The GOAT hasn't ridden in competition for a few year now due to getting cancer twice...
You must be talking about the wannabee GOAT Greg Minnaar who has a LONG LONG WAY to go to even catch ACC. He ISN'T even the GOAT of DH in the men's category!
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10/31/2020 12:33am
Primoz wrote:
Differ with what?
You claimed that Commencal hadn't stopped making model year bikes. I disagree and gave the example of their DH bike. Yes they still put up year numbers but there is a 2020 model, a 2021 model a NEW 2021 model etc. Thus it is only year model on paper not in real life.
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10/31/2020 12:40am
nskerb wrote:
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it...
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it. Wonder if they got a mold to make the desired CS length without the need for an adapter.
Fred_Pop wrote:
The GOAT hasn't ridden in competition for a few year now due to getting cancer twice... You must be talking about the wannabee GOAT Greg Minnaar...
The GOAT hasn't ridden in competition for a few year now due to getting cancer twice...
You must be talking about the wannabee GOAT Greg Minnaar who has a LONG LONG WAY to go to even catch ACC. He ISN'T even the GOAT of DH in the men's category!
What?
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10/31/2020 1:45am
Primoz wrote:
Differ with what?
Fred_Pop wrote:
You claimed that Commencal hadn't stopped making model year bikes. I disagree and gave the example of their DH bike. Yes they still put up year...
You claimed that Commencal hadn't stopped making model year bikes. I disagree and gave the example of their DH bike. Yes they still put up year numbers but there is a 2020 model, a 2021 model a NEW 2021 model etc. Thus it is only year model on paper not in real life.
Like you said, they have model years posted right in the bike name and in the bike picture. Not making model years would mean 'Commencal Supreme V5' and sell the same bike for 2 or 3 years, colors included. The 2021 bikes have new colors compared to 2020 bikes. And if they released 27, 29 and mullet versions of their DH bike... All in 2021... How is that not a model year anymore? ANd who says the 2, 29 and mullet versions won't get new colors in 2022? Will the fact that there are three options of the bike always negate model years? Because then the Sight from Norco also doesn't have model year, because 27 and 29 options!!

It's like saying BMW's 3 series (before they started making the 4 series...) didn't have model years because they had a limousine, a touring, a coupe and a convertible...
10/31/2020 2:06am
nskerb wrote:
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it...
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it. Wonder if they got a mold to make the desired CS length without the need for an adapter.
Fred_Pop wrote:
The GOAT hasn't ridden in competition for a few year now due to getting cancer twice... You must be talking about the wannabee GOAT Greg Minnaar...
The GOAT hasn't ridden in competition for a few year now due to getting cancer twice...
You must be talking about the wannabee GOAT Greg Minnaar who has a LONG LONG WAY to go to even catch ACC. He ISN'T even the GOAT of DH in the men's category!
taifi wrote:
What?
Anne Caroline Chausson has more wins than Minnaar. He is not the greates of ALL time. He is the gratest current, though. Nico Vouilloz have more overall world cups and world champs, though, and "only" 16 WC wins. ACC retired from world cups, when she got tired of winning.

https://www.uci.org/news/2019/whos-the-greatest-mountain-bike-uci-world…
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10/31/2020 3:11am
nskerb wrote:
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it...
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it. Wonder if they got a mold to make the desired CS length without the need for an adapter.
peecee wrote:
Im curious to know this also, if anything that extra long rear end he usually uses would of been perfect for such a flat top and...
Im curious to know this also, if anything that extra long rear end he usually uses would of been perfect for such a flat top and bottom track surly ?

Maybe he broke the other one and they only ever made him the one not expecting a failure


This was in his and the Syndicate's Insta stories. He switched back to a standard (read: shorter) 29 rear end to get more maneuverability in the tight corners.
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10/31/2020 3:34am
baronKanon wrote:
Anne Caroline Chausson has more wins than Minnaar. He is not the greates of ALL time. He is the gratest current, though. Nico Vouilloz have more...
Anne Caroline Chausson has more wins than Minnaar. He is not the greates of ALL time. He is the gratest current, though. Nico Vouilloz have more overall world cups and world champs, though, and "only" 16 WC wins. ACC retired from world cups, when she got tired of winning.

https://www.uci.org/news/2019/whos-the-greatest-mountain-bike-uci-world…
Greg is the GOAT because of the number of wins over such a long career. Greg was racing before some of his competitors were even born. Nico and Gwin no doubt have enormous achievements and a similar number of wins but in fewer years, which in a way is even more impressive, and Gwin is basically the one responsible from resurrecting DH out of the early 2000s dark ages and bringing the competition level to what it is today. And no need to comment on Nico. But his career was half the duration Greg's has been. So sure, he won a total of more races in a shorter period, but Greg's longevity - and his ability to consistent podium contender for 20 years - is what no one can rival.

ACC in her prime was unreal. There were a few events when she raced in the men's category. But the level of competition has never been the same in the women's category as the men's, with a win easier to come by. Same goes for Rachel, who also has a well-deserved spot at the table - she racked up so many wins because there were only three competitors.
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10/31/2020 3:54am Edited Date/Time 10/31/2020 3:56am
baronKanon wrote:
Anne Caroline Chausson has more wins than Minnaar. He is not the greates of ALL time. He is the gratest current, though. Nico Vouilloz have more...
Anne Caroline Chausson has more wins than Minnaar. He is not the greates of ALL time. He is the gratest current, though. Nico Vouilloz have more overall world cups and world champs, though, and "only" 16 WC wins. ACC retired from world cups, when she got tired of winning.

https://www.uci.org/news/2019/whos-the-greatest-mountain-bike-uci-world…
smelly wrote:
Greg is the GOAT because of the number of wins over such a long career. Greg was racing before some of his competitors were even born...
Greg is the GOAT because of the number of wins over such a long career. Greg was racing before some of his competitors were even born. Nico and Gwin no doubt have enormous achievements and a similar number of wins but in fewer years, which in a way is even more impressive, and Gwin is basically the one responsible from resurrecting DH out of the early 2000s dark ages and bringing the competition level to what it is today. And no need to comment on Nico. But his career was half the duration Greg's has been. So sure, he won a total of more races in a shorter period, but Greg's longevity - and his ability to consistent podium contender for 20 years - is what no one can rival.

ACC in her prime was unreal. There were a few events when she raced in the men's category. But the level of competition has never been the same in the women's category as the men's, with a win easier to come by. Same goes for Rachel, who also has a well-deserved spot at the table - she racked up so many wins because there were only three competitors.
To add to that, i don‘t think the competition was as tight when nico did his wins as it is nowadays
Apart from that, sam hill is the GOAT, because riding clipped in is cheating ;-)
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10/31/2020 7:21am
nskerb wrote:
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it...
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it. Wonder if they got a mold to make the desired CS length without the need for an adapter.
peecee wrote:
Im curious to know this also, if anything that extra long rear end he usually uses would of been perfect for such a flat top and...
Im curious to know this also, if anything that extra long rear end he usually uses would of been perfect for such a flat top and bottom track surly ?

Maybe he broke the other one and they only ever made him the one not expecting a failure


What about his cranks? Proto Saint? The have no branding on them but look similar to XT M8000 cranks
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10/31/2020 7:34am
TECH RUMORS!!! If you want to start swinging your handbags about who the real GOAT is... start another thread and stop hijacking this one!
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10/31/2020 7:52am
nskerb wrote:
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it...
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it. Wonder if they got a mold to make the desired CS length without the need for an adapter.
peecee wrote:
Im curious to know this also, if anything that extra long rear end he usually uses would of been perfect for such a flat top and...
Im curious to know this also, if anything that extra long rear end he usually uses would of been perfect for such a flat top and bottom track surly ?

Maybe he broke the other one and they only ever made him the one not expecting a failure


What about his cranks? Proto Saint? The have no branding on them but look similar to XT M8000 cranks
Unbranded cranks, prototype Saint derailleur, but XT levers and XTR calipers...

The former items would point towards a new Saint gruppo in development, but maybe brakes will not be included? Seems awfully strange in general for a pro rider to choose to pair an XT lever and XTR caliper in any case.
10/31/2020 8:41am
yahmon wrote:
Unbranded cranks, prototype Saint derailleur, but XT levers and XTR calipers... The former items would point towards a new Saint gruppo in development, but maybe brakes...
Unbranded cranks, prototype Saint derailleur, but XT levers and XTR calipers...

The former items would point towards a new Saint gruppo in development, but maybe brakes will not be included? Seems awfully strange in general for a pro rider to choose to pair an XT lever and XTR caliper in any case.
Loris has the same on his bike, including an XT shifter. Saint has Shimano's "M8" designation, which is XT level. It might have something to do with that.
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10/31/2020 9:01am
Anyone else catch him messing with some kind of lever during his run right before the flat sprint at the end?
Pretty sure he just jacked the low speed compression. Was the difference between third and fourth though.
I think he probably had a pedal switch from a rxf fork in there.
Bruni: "It's a bit of hydraulic for the pedaling"

From WynTV: https://youtu.be/svajRQS1YAE?t=18
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10/31/2020 10:26am
Joe Berg wrote:
To add to that, i don‘t think the competition was as tight when nico did his wins as it is nowadays Apart from that, sam hill...
To add to that, i don‘t think the competition was as tight when nico did his wins as it is nowadays
Apart from that, sam hill is the GOAT, because riding clipped in is cheating ;-)
Right. Actually, Sam's career has been almost as long as Greg's and he's still winning races, too.
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10/31/2020 10:39am
Maybe the XT levers have a bit more metal in them (being cheaper and all) and thus being a bit more stiff, giving some more power? Just a thought...
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10/31/2020 11:56am
Did anyone else notice that when Bruni entered the finish he pointed to the rear shock to his mechanic. He then kept his hand firmly on the left hand side of his bars for a few moments. Probably holding down that button which we have sen pics of. Thoughts?
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10/31/2020 12:14pm
yahmon wrote:
Unbranded cranks, prototype Saint derailleur, but XT levers and XTR calipers... The former items would point towards a new Saint gruppo in development, but maybe brakes...
Unbranded cranks, prototype Saint derailleur, but XT levers and XTR calipers...

The former items would point towards a new Saint gruppo in development, but maybe brakes will not be included? Seems awfully strange in general for a pro rider to choose to pair an XT lever and XTR caliper in any case.
I remember Seagraves runing ZEE brakes few years back because they apparently liked them more than saints? Might not remember correctly tho...
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10/31/2020 12:32pm
Primoz wrote:
Differ with what?
Fred_Pop wrote:
You claimed that Commencal hadn't stopped making model year bikes. I disagree and gave the example of their DH bike. Yes they still put up year...
You claimed that Commencal hadn't stopped making model year bikes. I disagree and gave the example of their DH bike. Yes they still put up year numbers but there is a 2020 model, a 2021 model a NEW 2021 model etc. Thus it is only year model on paper not in real life.
Primoz wrote:
Like you said, they have model years posted right in the bike name and in the bike picture. Not making model years would mean 'Commencal Supreme...
Like you said, they have model years posted right in the bike name and in the bike picture. Not making model years would mean 'Commencal Supreme V5' and sell the same bike for 2 or 3 years, colors included. The 2021 bikes have new colors compared to 2020 bikes. And if they released 27, 29 and mullet versions of their DH bike... All in 2021... How is that not a model year anymore? ANd who says the 2, 29 and mullet versions won't get new colors in 2022? Will the fact that there are three options of the bike always negate model years? Because then the Sight from Norco also doesn't have model year, because 27 and 29 options!!

It's like saying BMW's 3 series (before they started making the 4 series...) didn't have model years because they had a limousine, a touring, a coupe and a convertible...
It isn't a model year if they come out with a 2020 bike a 2021 bike and a new 2021 bike all in the space of a year. It's the same model the DH one but with different geo, kinematics, spec and colours!
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10/31/2020 12:33pm
Primoz wrote:
Maybe the XT levers have a bit more metal in them (being cheaper and all) and thus being a bit more stiff, giving some more power...
Maybe the XT levers have a bit more metal in them (being cheaper and all) and thus being a bit more stiff, giving some more power? Just a thought...
That used to be my set up for just that reason. XT levers were super cheep on line and worked fantastically with Saint calipers. You can get a really nice early bite resulting in lots of moderation room.
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10/31/2020 12:36pm
Fred_Pop wrote:
It isn't a model year if they come out with a 2020 bike a 2021 bike and a new 2021 bike all in the space of...
It isn't a model year if they come out with a 2020 bike a 2021 bike and a new 2021 bike all in the space of a year. It's the same model the DH one but with different geo, kinematics, spec and colours!
Same model does not compute with different geo, kinematics, spec and colors. Same is same. Different is different.
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10/31/2020 12:39pm
nskerb wrote:
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it...
The goat’s bike had a different rear end on it for the win. It was red and did not have the aluminum length adapter on it. Wonder if they got a mold to make the desired CS length without the need for an adapter.
Fred_Pop wrote:
The GOAT hasn't ridden in competition for a few year now due to getting cancer twice... You must be talking about the wannabee GOAT Greg Minnaar...
The GOAT hasn't ridden in competition for a few year now due to getting cancer twice...
You must be talking about the wannabee GOAT Greg Minnaar who has a LONG LONG WAY to go to even catch ACC. He ISN'T even the GOAT of DH in the men's category!
taifi wrote:
What?
How is Greg Minnaar the GREATEST OF ALL TIME? Because he has 22 world cup wins? He doesn't have the most world championships nor the most worldcup overalls! Aaron Gwin has 5 overalls and so does Nicolas Vouilloz. Bruni has the same number of world championships as Greg and Nicolas Vouilloz has 5 more or 7 if you count the junior ones. So tell me again HOW Greg Minnaar is the GOAT? Because Rob Warner says so? The same guy who suddenly forgot how to pronounce Val di Sole after years of saying it correctly? Give me a break.
Now don't get me wrong Greg is an AWESOME rider and I was super happy he won but he isn't the GOAT.
And that is just in the mens side because if we start comparing to the women...it gets even worst for him.
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Coming back to Nukeproof, I just checked if there was any info on another bike to be announced from them soon and found this:



I don't know if it means anything and it goes straight to a 404 error, but if Nukeproof is already preparing their website with dedicated pages for the GIGA, then it could be announced pretty soon?
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10/31/2020 1:23pm
Karabuka wrote:
I remember Seagraves runing ZEE brakes few years back because they apparently liked them more than saints? Might not remember correctly tho...
Didn't they run a complete Zee groupset? At the time I thought it's sort of a budget thing, 'you're not worthy of our best' kinda deal.
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Aksel_Lfft wrote:
Coming back to Nukeproof, I just checked if there was any info on another bike to be announced from them soon and found this: [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/10/31/10033/s1200_Nukeproof_Giga.jpg[/img] I...
Coming back to Nukeproof, I just checked if there was any info on another bike to be announced from them soon and found this:



I don't know if it means anything and it goes straight to a 404 error, but if Nukeproof is already preparing their website with dedicated pages for the GIGA, then it could be announced pretty soon?
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How is Greg Minnaar the GREATEST OF ALL TIME? Because he has 22 world cup wins? He doesn't have the most world championships nor the most...
How is Greg Minnaar the GREATEST OF ALL TIME? Because he has 22 world cup wins? He doesn't have the most world championships nor the most worldcup overalls! Aaron Gwin has 5 overalls and so does Nicolas Vouilloz. Bruni has the same number of world championships as Greg and Nicolas Vouilloz has 5 more or 7 if you count the junior ones. So tell me again HOW Greg Minnaar is the GOAT? Because Rob Warner says so? The same guy who suddenly forgot how to pronounce Val di Sole after years of saying it correctly? Give me a break.
Now don't get me wrong Greg is an AWESOME rider and I was super happy he won but he isn't the GOAT.
And that is just in the mens side because if we start comparing to the women...it gets even worst for him.
We had the same debate in a local forum regarding F1 and the GOAT there. WIth people claiming Hamilton is not the GOAT, because of X Y and Z. Turns out people have different views on the matter so debating about it on the internet is a completely pointless thing to do. Given your arguments why Minnaar is not the GOAT, I can use the same ones for either Nico, Gwin or Bruni - neither of them has as many wins as Greg does... And we can do this merry-go-round indefinitely.

On the other hand, most people actually do say the GOAT is Greg, as the GOAT before him, again, by 'public vote', was Peat when he had the most wins. And all of the riders in the WynTV were saying he's the GOAT... If people competing with him he's the GOAT, who are we to judge? In the same manner more or less all F1 drivers say Senna is the best of all times. But the record books say otherwise.

See, a merry-go-round.

As for Commencal, which 2021 bike is wholly new compared to the 'old 2021' bike? Did I miss something? And no model years implies, like I already said, multiple years of selling _the_ _same_ frames, colors included.
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