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1/18/2025 12:07am
When I raced BMX, flat petals were the only option. Then toe clips, but I was a low-key gravel biker before the term was invented. Riding my...

When I raced BMX, flat petals were the only option. 

Then toe clips, but I was a low-key gravel biker before the term was invented. Riding my Specialized Rock-Combo on the fire roads near where I grew up.

When I decided to buy my first serious mountain bike, I got CLIPLESS pedals because everyone else had them. I distinctly remember trying to slide my foot backwards after clipping in for the first time, and promptly hitting the concrete. Good times.

dolface wrote:

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Gotta forgive them. They're old. Technology is hard sometimes.

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1/18/2025 2:10am
Primoz wrote:
They are not, they are grub screws with through and through hex hole and the body has a hole which means you can unscrew it from...

They are not, they are grub screws with through and through hex hole and the body has a hole which means you can unscrew it from behind. But it screws in from the top. 

use shorter ones then?

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1/18/2025 3:28am
Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? Maybe new pivot location or idler location?Machined rocker link

Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.

Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? 
Maybe new pivot location or idler location?

Machined rocker link

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very similar to the "sesh" proto in terms of the rocker and seattube junction...

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1/18/2025 3:57am
Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? Maybe new pivot location or idler location?Machined rocker link

Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.

Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? 
Maybe new pivot location or idler location?

Machined rocker link

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renest wrote:

very similar to the "sesh" proto in terms of the rocker and seattube junction...

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1/18/2025 5:16am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2025 5:35am

I believe Trek are testing a new frame all together (I can't see the bend on the top tube the current one has) rather than just seatstays. I remember Vergier was riding a similar prototype some time ago. 

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1/18/2025 12:06pm
Primoz wrote:

It's a similar layout to the Pivot overall. 

Onawalk wrote:
Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....Side note, I took delivery of a V2...

Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....

Side note, I took delivery of a V2 Dreadnaught very recently, Absolute weapon, unless of course youre trying to pedal it up a hill, its just an excuse for better fitness.

 

Primoz wrote:
Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get...

Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get 3 bikes in one - classic low pivot, medium height and proper high pivot. 

of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  

Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being fad bikes.....

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1/18/2025 12:11pm
Sven_Claas wrote:

@Spomer, can we please deviate the toe-clip topic to another thread, and make it in a slightly bigger default font?

You absolute legend!

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1/18/2025 12:11pm
Onawalk wrote:
Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....Side note, I took delivery of a V2...

Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....

Side note, I took delivery of a V2 Dreadnaught very recently, Absolute weapon, unless of course youre trying to pedal it up a hill, its just an excuse for better fitness.

 

Primoz wrote:
Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get...

Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get 3 bikes in one - classic low pivot, medium height and proper high pivot. 

Onawalk wrote:
of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being...

of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  

Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being fad bikes.....

Just a minor blip on the path to Crab bike dominance... 

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1/18/2025 12:16pm
Etney wrote:
I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison...

I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison to Saints for anyone that has been contemplating them.

They are very similar in size, I would say maybe 5% smaller overall platform.

Tried to "dry" clip them in to my Fox Union shoes, but the pins are quite high, and the clip mechanism seems quite hard (From my experience shimano is the same, and it takes a bit for them to "break in) - So I could not clip them in by hand and check how well it contacts the shoe. Pins are not adjustable afaik. But its probably a non issue when mounted and you use your body weight.


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Nice, I was definitely interested as I find Oneup to have great design and engineering. But focusing so much on the "thinnest" aspect when my XTs...

Nice, I was definitely interested as I find Oneup to have great design and engineering. But focusing so much on the "thinnest" aspect when my XTs are about 3mm thicker and thus have 1.5mm less clearance is a bit deflating to their argument.

Also tough because they’re about the same price as the Saints but I’ve also seen Saints on Amazon for $115 recently. The big thing with the...

Also tough because they’re about the same price as the Saints but I’ve also seen Saints on Amazon for $115 recently. The big thing with the OneUps is the weight. 142g less than the Saints is really good if they perform and last similarly.

Just beware of cut priced Shimano product on Amazon

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts they arent Shimano pedals, but a reasonable facsimile

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1/18/2025 12:19pm
Primoz wrote:
Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get...

Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get 3 bikes in one - classic low pivot, medium height and proper high pivot. 

Onawalk wrote:
of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being...

of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  

Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being fad bikes.....

Finkill wrote:

Just a minor blip on the path to Crab bike dominance... 

I mean, it can be a HP/idler crab bike, flip turned upside down....

looks like crab, smells like a crab, boings like crab, prolly crab

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1/18/2025 12:44pm
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

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1/18/2025 12:47pm
alex_o wrote:
Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

New Fox Float X2.

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1/18/2025 1:08pm
alex_o wrote:
Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

Performance elite X2 prototype.

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1/18/2025 1:45pm
alex_o wrote:
Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

chriskief wrote:

New Fox Float X2.

To add some context, the reservoir isn't visible because of the way Frameworks mounts the shock.

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1/18/2025 1:47pm
alex_o wrote:
Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

chriskief wrote:

New Fox Float X2.

boozed wrote:

To add some context, the reservoir isn't visible because of the way Frameworks mounts the shock.

From a previous post.

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1/19/2025 12:31am

Have heard through a couple of shop owners/industry members that the 2026 Fox lineup will be very, very good. Not exactly sure in which way(s) it's outstanding but I would consider their opinions to be in good faith

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1/19/2025 9:04am
TimBud wrote:
More of the new “X2”

More of the new “X2”

IMG 0903

It looks too skinny, I'm not sure I like the aesthetics of this one.

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1/19/2025 9:52am
TimBud wrote:
More of the new “X2”

More of the new “X2”

IMG 0903

Genie style air can fitted to x2? 

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1/19/2025 11:27am
TimBud wrote:
More of the new “X2”

More of the new “X2”

IMG 0903

It looks too skinny, I'm not sure I like the aesthetics of this one.

Maybe they’ll add some ano bits that you can match to your seatpost clamp, headset, and hubs. Who cares about improved performance?

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1/19/2025 11:58am
lloyd506 wrote:

Genie style air can fitted to x2? 

I believe Specialized has the "exclusive rights" for the genie system for a few years. 

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1/19/2025 12:06pm
lloyd506 wrote:

Genie style air can fitted to x2? 

Etney wrote:

I believe Specialized has the "exclusive rights" for the genie system for a few years. 

Aren't Neko/Frameworks on friendly terms, like, Specialized is their e-bike sponsor level of friendly terms? Wouldn't be surprised if Specialized gave them the OK for testing and racing on Genie (if that is Genie) so long as it never showed up on a customer bike. 

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1/19/2025 1:03pm

Word on the street is the new X2 is going horizontal in all but DH sizes... 

Don't know what you mean by horizontal?

The piggy back will have a similar layout to the one on Öhlins TTX22

1/19/2025 4:01pm
TimBud wrote:
More of the new “X2”

More of the new “X2”

IMG 0903

It looks too skinny, I'm not sure I like the aesthetics of this one.

Maybe they’ll add some ano bits that you can match to your seatpost clamp, headset, and hubs. Who cares about improved performance?

Average MTB Enjoyer indeed.

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