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HexonJuan
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I haven't minded the TT kink in other shots, but side profile is kinda fugly here.  As stated in the video, geometry is the largely the...

Screenshot 2024-02-15 at 1.48.42%E2%80%AFPM

I haven't minded the TT kink in other shots, but side profile is kinda fugly here. 

As stated in the video, geometry is the largely the same, wish they made a P2.5 size with 475 reach. I have a Gen1 141 in P3, like the length in some instances, but is a little limousine feeling in tight stuff. I think a 465 reach is too short for me. 

That top tube kink is steep, but IMO it looks better than the longer travel one. A company can make the aesthetics of it work if...

That top tube kink is steep, but IMO it looks better than the longer travel one. A company can make the aesthetics of it work if it looks intentional. If you're gonna make a kink, go in full, if you halfway commit to it, it looks worse.

 

Honestly reminds me of a KHS though. 

I was thinking Motobecane's HAL Boost. 

sspomer
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2/16/2024 8:15am Edited Date/Time 2/16/2024 8:18am

canyon strive:ON ebike is out. 5799 and 7999

Strive:ON CFR LTD

25mm gaps in reach across sizes

Screen Shot 2024-02-16 at 9.18.50 AM

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sspomer
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2/16/2024 8:29am

just getting a RAW from thredbo. these are in there. YTs?

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2/16/2024 8:32am

R.E Atherton. SM170 (subtracted manufacturing 170). MBUK digested, not an awful lot but a few bit and pieces.
 

Made in Wales, although the lugs not made in house. Presumably contracted out to other company nearby? Reading between the lines tube and component assembly at Atherton HQ. CNC machined lugs. 7075 aluminium. 12 sizes rather than the 23 currently offered (still not bad). DW4 rather than DW6, twin link, 10 bearings. Full range in aluminium planned soon.

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2/16/2024 8:45am
R.E Atherton. SM170 (subtracted manufacturing 170). MBUK digested, not an awful lot but a few bit and pieces.   Made in Wales, although the lugs not made...

R.E Atherton. SM170 (subtracted manufacturing 170). MBUK digested, not an awful lot but a few bit and pieces.
 

Made in Wales, although the lugs not made in house. Presumably contracted out to other company nearby? Reading between the lines tube and component assembly at Atherton HQ. CNC machined lugs. 7075 aluminium. 12 sizes rather than the 23 currently offered (still not bad). DW4 rather than DW6, twin link, 10 bearings. Full range in aluminium planned soon.

Everything sounded good until you said it had a different suspension layout. Now it'll feel like you're not getting the "real" thing. Maybe. Let's see what the reviewers have to say.

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Poleczechy
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2/16/2024 9:18am
I haven't minded the TT kink in other shots, but side profile is kinda fugly here.  As stated in the video, geometry is the largely the...

Screenshot 2024-02-15 at 1.48.42%E2%80%AFPM

I haven't minded the TT kink in other shots, but side profile is kinda fugly here. 

As stated in the video, geometry is the largely the same, wish they made a P2.5 size with 475 reach. I have a Gen1 141 in P3, like the length in some instances, but is a little limousine feeling in tight stuff. I think a 465 reach is too short for me. 

That top tube kink is steep, but IMO it looks better than the longer travel one. A company can make the aesthetics of it work if...

That top tube kink is steep, but IMO it looks better than the longer travel one. A company can make the aesthetics of it work if it looks intentional. If you're gonna make a kink, go in full, if you halfway commit to it, it looks worse.

 

Honestly reminds me of a KHS though. 

HexonJuan wrote:

I was thinking Motobecane's HAL Boost. 

Big Niner WFO vibes. 

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2/16/2024 1:31pm

I was searching around to see if anyone makes magnesium cranks, and I stumbled on this- a fully mag frame & cranks ebike. Claimed weight of 48 pounds with kinda heavy build. Thats lighter than the top end Orbea Rallon. How can they make a mountain bike frame (let alone an ebike frame) out of magnesium without it costing as much as the space shuttle? 

https://www.mag-bike.com/en

Wait actually pricing isn't listed yet. Maybe it will be the price of an aerospace vehicle considering its using aerospace technology

pinkrobe
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2/16/2024 1:52pm
I was searching around to see if anyone makes magnesium cranks, and I stumbled on this- a fully mag frame & cranks ebike. Claimed weight of...

I was searching around to see if anyone makes magnesium cranks, and I stumbled on this- a fully mag frame & cranks ebike. Claimed weight of 48 pounds with kinda heavy build. Thats lighter than the top end Orbea Rallon. How can they make a mountain bike frame (let alone an ebike frame) out of magnesium without it costing as much as the space shuttle? 

https://www.mag-bike.com/en

Wait actually pricing isn't listed yet. Maybe it will be the price of an aerospace vehicle considering its using aerospace technology

No welds and no glue - cast and then machined? 

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2/16/2024 3:13pm
I was searching around to see if anyone makes magnesium cranks, and I stumbled on this- a fully mag frame & cranks ebike. Claimed weight of...

I was searching around to see if anyone makes magnesium cranks, and I stumbled on this- a fully mag frame & cranks ebike. Claimed weight of 48 pounds with kinda heavy build. Thats lighter than the top end Orbea Rallon. How can they make a mountain bike frame (let alone an ebike frame) out of magnesium without it costing as much as the space shuttle? 

https://www.mag-bike.com/en

Wait actually pricing isn't listed yet. Maybe it will be the price of an aerospace vehicle considering its using aerospace technology

If it ever gets made - the domain is nearly 4 years old now, willing to bet the page hasn't changed much considering the spec on the bikes too. 

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DServy
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2/17/2024 2:13pm
I haven't minded the TT kink in other shots, but side profile is kinda fugly here.  As stated in the video, geometry is the largely the...

Screenshot 2024-02-15 at 1.48.42%E2%80%AFPM

I haven't minded the TT kink in other shots, but side profile is kinda fugly here. 

As stated in the video, geometry is the largely the same, wish they made a P2.5 size with 475 reach. I have a Gen1 141 in P3, like the length in some instances, but is a little limousine feeling in tight stuff. I think a 465 reach is too short for me. 

Mas wrote:

Looks like a department store bike. Privateer was on my short list, this one won't be. 

At least it won’t need a cascade components aftermarket link

Go bother someone else with your crap. 

Does anyone have any insight on when the new FOX stuff might be coming out? 

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chriskief
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2/17/2024 2:23pm
DServy wrote:

Go bother someone else with your crap. 

Does anyone have any insight on when the new FOX stuff might be coming out? 

Hearing April although some stuff is out already, mostly rear shocks.

If you feel like upgrading your 2021-2023 fork, new cartridges are available already.

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jsray
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2/17/2024 5:15pm
sspomer wrote:
just getting a RAW from thredbo. these are in there. YTs?

just getting a RAW from thredbo. these are in there. YTs?

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I’m not sure why YT bothers with the frame cover. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they are running a new fox thing.
 

They have nothing to hide with their suspension? You can see everything through the cover when the suspension moves. 

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monarchmason
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jsray wrote:
I’m not sure why YT bothers with the frame cover. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they are running a new fox...

I’m not sure why YT bothers with the frame cover. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they are running a new fox thing.
 

They have nothing to hide with their suspension? You can see everything through the cover when the suspension moves. 

I dont know why but YT kind of strikes me as the type of company to do this just for publicity. Id like to be wrong though. 

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WMullins
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2/17/2024 8:11pm
DServy wrote:

Go bother someone else with your crap. 

Does anyone have any insight on when the new FOX stuff might be coming out? 

chriskief wrote:

Hearing April although some stuff is out already, mostly rear shocks.

If you feel like upgrading your 2021-2023 fork, new cartridges are available already.

Curious as to how they will approach the new trend towards HBO platforms, heard anything in that area? Also, where are the new cartridges available? Wouldn't mind moving away from the GRIP2 damper

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chriskief
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2/17/2024 9:05pm
DServy wrote:

Go bother someone else with your crap. 

Does anyone have any insight on when the new FOX stuff might be coming out? 

chriskief wrote:

Hearing April although some stuff is out already, mostly rear shocks.

If you feel like upgrading your 2021-2023 fork, new cartridges are available already.

WMullins wrote:
Curious as to how they will approach the new trend towards HBO platforms, heard anything in that area? Also, where are the new cartridges available? Wouldn't...

Curious as to how they will approach the new trend towards HBO platforms, heard anything in that area? Also, where are the new cartridges available? Wouldn't mind moving away from the GRIP2 damper

Nothing for HBO in 2024. Most specs are already published: https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&listall=partlist

Forks are still Grip2, just a new compression tune. Complete cartridges and compression tune update kit part numbers are listed at that same link.

You can have your LBS order directly from Fox or I’ve seen a few pop up online at shops such as S4: https://s4suspension.com/collections/service-parts/products/fox-grip2-cartridge?variant=40350248304828

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pinkrobe
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2/17/2024 9:40pm
chriskief wrote:

Hearing April although some stuff is out already, mostly rear shocks.

If you feel like upgrading your 2021-2023 fork, new cartridges are available already.

WMullins wrote:
Curious as to how they will approach the new trend towards HBO platforms, heard anything in that area? Also, where are the new cartridges available? Wouldn't...

Curious as to how they will approach the new trend towards HBO platforms, heard anything in that area? Also, where are the new cartridges available? Wouldn't mind moving away from the GRIP2 damper

chriskief wrote:
Nothing for HBO in 2024. Most specs are already published: https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&listall=partlist Forks are still Grip2, just a new compression tune. Complete cartridges and compression tune update...

Nothing for HBO in 2024. Most specs are already published: https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&listall=partlist

Forks are still Grip2, just a new compression tune. Complete cartridges and compression tune update kit part numbers are listed at that same link.

You can have your LBS order directly from Fox or I’ve seen a few pop up online at shops such as S4: https://s4suspension.com/collections/service-parts/products/fox-grip2-cartridge?variant=40350248304828

Hmmm. Vorsprung's rear shock is looking more appealing every day...

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2/18/2024 12:10am

Just checked my inmail and found out the latest news from Push. Apparently we should get the full specs and order/delivery details for the USD fork on February 29th

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lickmycrinkle
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2/18/2024 4:27am
sspomer wrote:
canyon strive:ON ebike is out. 5799 and 7999 25mm gaps in reach across sizes

canyon strive:ON ebike is out. 5799 and 7999

Strive:ON CFR LTD

25mm gaps in reach across sizes

Screen Shot 2024-02-16 at 9.18.50 AM

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25kg.

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IMG 0095.png?VersionId=ProLhTSQe8vkxWwow, hope now makes really sexy carbon cranks Cheerful

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metadave
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2/18/2024 8:24am

Those are actually very nice looking. How many years did it take someone to make a visually appealing carbon crank? The only other one that comes close are the RF era's and I still only thought they were alright. 

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lickmycrinkle
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2/19/2024 1:38am
metadave wrote:
Those are actually very nice looking. How many years did it take someone to make a visually appealing carbon crank? The only other one that comes...

Those are actually very nice looking. How many years did it take someone to make a visually appealing carbon crank? The only other one that comes close are the RF era's and I still only thought they were alright. 

They look straight out of aliexpress.

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2/19/2024 3:04am Edited Date/Time 2/19/2024 3:07am
metadave wrote:
Those are actually very nice looking. How many years did it take someone to make a visually appealing carbon crank? The only other one that comes...

Those are actually very nice looking. How many years did it take someone to make a visually appealing carbon crank? The only other one that comes close are the RF era's and I still only thought they were alright. 

They look straight out of aliexpress.

If by "Aliexpress" you mean "the company that designs and manufactures carbon parts for Lotus", then yeah

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lickmycrinkle
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2/19/2024 3:45am
metadave wrote:
Those are actually very nice looking. How many years did it take someone to make a visually appealing carbon crank? The only other one that comes...

Those are actually very nice looking. How many years did it take someone to make a visually appealing carbon crank? The only other one that comes close are the RF era's and I still only thought they were alright. 

They look straight out of aliexpress.

Nico_Hrndz wrote:

If by "Aliexpress" you mean "the company that designs and manufactures carbon parts for Lotus", then yeah

Making parts for Lotus ≠ good design.

It's gaudy as fuck. The anodisation for anodisation's sake, seemingly nonsense graphics and big flat faces aren't in the least bit appealing to me.

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Primoz
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2/19/2024 3:58am

The best shape for a crank is a tube (stiff in torsion and bending). The best way to maximise the (limited) space is to do it as boxy as you can so the material is positioned as far from the spindle to pedal axis as possible. Chamfering and shapes take away material from the most optimal location to carry the loads. 

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iRider
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2/19/2024 7:11am
metadave wrote:
Those are actually very nice looking. How many years did it take someone to make a visually appealing carbon crank? The only other one that comes...

Those are actually very nice looking. How many years did it take someone to make a visually appealing carbon crank? The only other one that comes close are the RF era's and I still only thought they were alright. 

Has been done years ago. In contrast to the Hope ones, they are also really light.

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OldManCook
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2/20/2024 1:33am
ozarks wrote:
Jordan Williams bike in Portugal  

Jordan Williams bike in Portugal

 

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That wouldn’t be fun ride wrapping Smile  

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2/20/2024 4:26am
ozarks wrote:
Jordan Williams bike in Portugal  

Jordan Williams bike in Portugal

 

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Any chance the UCI prototype rules will force a limited run of frames to be built (BUILD IT SPECIALIZED)? Or have Specialized Gravity and Pivot been given a bit of a free pass in the context of the struggling bike industry?

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